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<p>Nevertheless, thanks for the update Klaus. Am always interested
to hear/read what you have to say ... especially about new
AMS/Fonteva which still has issues and is a headache to this day,
several years later. <br>
</p>
<p>WYn<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2025 1:11 AM, Klaus Birkenbihl
via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<p>I revoke the tracker accusation wrt to <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://cdn.mailscanner.info/1x1spacer.gif"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://cdn.mailscanner.info/1x1spacer.gif</a>.
The domain <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://cdn.mailscanner.info/1x1spacer.gif"
moz-do-not-send="true">cdn.mailscanner.info</a> doesn't even
exist. I think it is just normal garbage - no threat. Sorry for
carelessly telling nonsense while it is such a sunny day!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Klaus Birkenbihl via
Chapter-delegates wrote on 15.03.25 13:01:<br>
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<p>Dear Chapter Leaders,<br>
</p>
<p>once upon a time ... In order to support its work for an
open, accessible, and strong Internet; in order to protect it
against monopolistic attacks from big companies; in order to
foster innovation, creativity and unexpected use, ISOC has
set-up an Advanced Membership administration System (AMS). It
was implemented carefully following open standards (as from
IETF, W3C ...), providing excellent usability, privacy, and
accessibility. A carefully chosen Internet-canny and
innovative medium size company was mandated with the
implementation. An internal group of ISOC experts carefully
supervised this work ... and they lived happily ever after.</p>
<p>OK, just kidding. Seriously, back in 2020 ISOC had the
audacious idea to let members participate in the requirements
analysis for AMS. This was called Membernova Initiative. (To
be fair: ISOC took care that this did not effect much.)
Membernova was the name of the AMS used back then. In order to
recognize the progress since then a Membernova anniversary day
was launched to be on March 15th. But Membernova is history
now and so the anniversary had to be renamed in 2024. The new
name is "AMS celebration day".</p>
<p>There are too many open issues with AMS. E.g. unfortunately
I'm still not allowed to provide AMS with a list of registered
Chapter Members. So AMS has to live with fake data. And I have
to admit that my last year's promise, to show you how to
register Chapter Members with AMS, cannot be resolved
therefor.<br>
</p>
<p>So I decided to make E-Mail communication within ISOC this
year's subject. Remember: with AMS we "make simple things
complex again" and mess it all up.</p>
<p>ISOC obviously uses different styles of group communication.
There is e.g. this Chapter-delegates mailing list. Members
receive messages to the mailing list and these are
synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal. Simple
filters allow to archive and search messages with any modern
mail client. Good so.</p>
<p>Not so other groups like Internet Policy, Community Portal
Updates and more. Mails go to my private Mail address sent by
an anonymous <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:mailer@isoc.de" moz-do-not-send="true">mailer@isoc.de</a>
with an awesome "Reply to" something like </p>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:3uykghtxob3jjt10.6tazq4euh6jfcvrj@l1ef2ykhvgrduwm3.olow1.dn-71ceimaa.usa576.chatter.salesforce.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">3uykghtxob3jjt10.6tazq4euh6jfcvrj@l1ef2ykhvgrduwm3.olow1.dn-71ceimaa.usa576.chatter.salesforce.com</a>. </p>
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<p>And to make it even more transparent many mails end with:</p>
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<p><img src=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="http://cdn.mailscanner.info/1x1spacer.gif"
moz-do-not-send="true"><font color="red"><b>MailScanner
has detected a possible fraud attempt from
"cdn.mailscanner.info" claiming to be</b></font>
"http://cdn.mailscanner.info/1x1spacer.gif"</a> width="2"
height="1" alt="Web Bug from <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://community.internetsociety.org/servlet/eM=M"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.internetsociety.org/servlet/eM=M</a>...
/><br>
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<p>You know what? Mails containing a "1x1spacer.gif" are
considered trackers and classified as spam by my filters. (And
my DNS blocks cdn.mailscanner.info.)</p>
<p>Mails often end with: "We respect your right to privacy -
view our policy". which hold a link to e.g.</p>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://click.mail.isoc.org/?qs=3eea61e07305feba25a3e0b896d16568f693a88f5fe8b4728dd2782620aca1c488d971cd4b0dd92fdb2846741df7ff219139d284110d4e6a"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://click.mail.isoc.org/?qs=3eea61e07305feba25a3e0b896d16568f693a88f5fe8b4728dd2782620aca1c488d971cd4b0dd92fdb2846741df7ff219139d284110d4e6a</a> </p>
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<p>or </p>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://click.mail.isoc.org/?qs=3eea61e07305feba2e236580bb16e112b5220dbefb1c6641982304fd26f3b8d7f25dbd0d796bb0695e1c7bb67cfc285621382b95c3577db2"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://click.mail.isoc.org/?qs=3eea61e07305feba2e236580bb16e112b5220dbefb1c6641982304fd26f3b8d7f25dbd0d796bb0695e1c7bb67cfc285621382b95c3577db2</a>. </p>
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<p>Obviously there are many links to ISOC's privacy policy.
"Honi soit qui mal y pense" as our french colleagues would
comment.</p>
<p>Beside of this there is much more progress. E.g. I used to
receive E-Mails containing contact data for individuals who
expressed interest in a Chapters membership. I used to process
these mails by a script to welcome people and inform about our
fee policy. Most people lost their interest in a membership
when they read "fee" and where dropped from our database
automatically. With the new AMS these mails were discontinued.
When I complained mails were sent again. Good so? The only
message in the new mails is "somebody has expressed interest".
Privacy by ISOC.</p>
<p>I also hate to be subscribed to lists or groups
automatically. I'd prefer opt-in - just to keep track - but
being registered by default. But that's another story.</p>
<p>Long live salesforce.com! Don't worry and have a happy AMS
celebration day,<br>
</p>
<p>Klaus<br>
<br>
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Klaus Birkenbihl
Internet Society German Chapter (ISOC.DE) e.V.
c/o ict-Media GmbH
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.isoc.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.isoc.de</a></pre>
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As a Chapter Leader, you are automatically added to the Internet Society’s Chapter Leaders Community Group and the Chapter Delegates e-list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://community.internetsociety.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>.
The Internet Society has a legitimate interest to communicate with its chapter leaders, you will therefore remain subscribed for the duration of your term and will be unsubscribed automatically when your term ends.
Please note that the archive of this list is publicly accessible and may be viewed by anyone. By submitting information to this list and contributing to the communications, you acknowledge that the contents will be publicly visible.
View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a>
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Klaus Birkenbihl
Internet Society German Chapter (ISOC.DE) e.V.
c/o ict-Media GmbH
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.isoc.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.isoc.de</a></pre>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">_______________________________________________
As a Chapter Leader, you are automatically added to the Internet Society’s Chapter Leaders Community Group and the Chapter Delegates e-list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.internetsociety.org">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>.
The Internet Society has a legitimate interest to communicate with its chapter leaders, you will therefore remain subscribed for the duration of your term and will be unsubscribed automatically when your term ends.
Please note that the archive of this list is publicly accessible and may be viewed by anyone. By submitting information to this list and contributing to the communications, you acknowledge that the contents will be publicly visible.
View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a>
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