<p dir="ltr">Je suis vraiment désolé que Joly ait traversé tout cela. Il mérite mieux. J’espère que la situation se résoudra très rapidement.<br>
Merci.<br>
Cordialement.</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 5 févr. 2025, 18:17, Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<p>This has been on my mind, and I had been hoping for at least a
gesture of good faith. Instead, adding insult to injury, Joly has
yet again been shabbily treated. Like Cheryl, I am deeply
disappointed, but like her and many others I am sure we appreciate
and remember the exceptional work that Joly has done and continues
to do, even as others seem to be taking credit for Joly's work. <br>
</p>
<p>As ISOC HQ Board elections near, I would recommend a careful
re-reading of the posts that Charles and Eduardo made back in
September 2024, these can be found towards the bottom of this
thread.</p>
<p>WYn<br>
Philippines<br>
<br>
</p>
<div>On 2/4/2025 6:57 AM, Joly MacFie via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Charles,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">AFAIK the way
that YouTube works that the 13 days ago was the day they were
made 'public', they may have been uploaded and 'unlisted'
before that.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The more
reliable date is that the channel 'joined' on Aug 14, 2024. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Now,
ISOC-NY's BTN rejection letter was dated July 16 2024. I
remember being surprised because, at BoT 181 on June 22, I was
pretty sure I had heard Andrew Sullivan deflect a question
from Cheryl on this, by saying funding had just been approved
for the archiving. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I assumed
this meant our grant application.Wiser now.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Joly</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 5:02 PM
Charles Mok (gmail) <<a href="mailto:charlespmok@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">charlespmok@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
Joly, you are right that most or all of us are unaware of
the new channel. Looking at it, it seems that all the videos
in there were uploaded en masse 13 days ago. I wonder if I
missed any public announcements about it over the last two
weeks? Or maybe an announcement about it will be coming? In
any case, we will have some questions to ask.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Charles</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at
1:56 PM Joly MacFie via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
Thanks Chreyl,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The
silver lining is of course that the material *IS*
available, if not in proper archive form, and chapters
can go ahead and find their stuff on that channel and
upgrade legacy links, embeds etc.appropriately</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Joly</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at
4:50 PM Cheryl Langdon-Orr <<a href="mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">langdonorr@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Jolly, I am very
disappointed with how all this is being
"managed" I must say, Thank YOU for YOUR
extraordinary service to us in volunteer/Chapter
land for so many years in this actually
quite demanding area. and **HUGE SIGH** </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thank you for your
support! </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">ISOC Zambia does great
work.</div>
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2025 at 3:43 PM levy syanseke <<a href="mailto:lsyanseke@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">lsyanseke@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>This is a hard read. <br>
Thanks Joly, for your hard work and
commitment to the Internet Society.<br>
<br>
I do hope recognition of your work goes
beyond word to probably being rewarded,
especially following the new channel with
most of your work and you havent been
consulted or engaged. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I wish you well. I do remember our
first work when the chapter was launched,
your work is indeed great.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I wish you well once again. </div>
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<div>Regards</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon,
Feb 3, 2025 at 9:11 PM Joly MacFie via
Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I have a
further update on this issue i.e.
the preservation of the
Livestream.com archive.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">As you may
recall ISOC Foundation rejected
ISOC-NY's small grant request for
$1200 expenses on the basis "<b>the
total number of requests we
receive exceed the amount of
funding we have available and we
must select projects most closely
aligned to the goals of our
Foundation</b>." <br>
<br>
Faced with the prospect of 1000+
ISOC events disappearing into the
ether, in the last weeks of November
I dug into my personal savings, and
went ahead on my own. It turned out
that a) scraping was a little more
complicated than I had thought, and
b) there was mode data than I had
imagined so that I ended up needing
3 drives. The total expenses were $<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;text-align:right">1670.94</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The
scraping process took a over two
weeks. ISOC's 3 accounts were due to
expire in the second week of
December, and it was a race against
time to bring in all the data. As
it turned out, only Channel 3 was
immediately deleted. Fortunately we
just got it all in time. <br>
<br>
Meanwhile the Internet Archive
itself was having issues. It had
been hacked and access was
severely limited. They had their
hands full. The task remained (and
remains) to reshape the raw JSON
metadata into something that their
system can ingest. <br>
<br>
But at least everything was safe.
The idea was proposed, and
informally discussed, with Chris
Locke, that ISOC Foundation could be
approached to cover my outlay and
the further processing cost.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">And that
was where it stood, until this week,
when to my total surprise, it was
revealed that ISOC had opened it's
own YouTube Channel '<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@InternetSocietyOnDemand" style="font-size:small" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><b>Internet
Society On-Deman</b>d</a>' in
August, and by some method, either
scraping or via Vimeo, itself
collected and posted 5.1k videos
from Livestream! It posits itself :
"
<span style="font-size:14px;color:rgb(15,15,15);font-family:Roboto,Noto,sans-serif">Watch
past Internet Society streamed and
recorded events and videos all in
one place. " </span>Written by
someone with a sense of humour,
obviously! <br>
<br>
Every single one of these videos is
my work.Was I consulted/informed at
any point? No. Were even other ISOC
people who might have told me
informed? Were Chapter Leaders
informed? No. Were Chapter Trustees
informed? No. No. <br>
<br>
Was someone else paid a good deal of
money to do this? Probably.<br>
<br>
How I discovered this at all is
because when, earlier in the week,
the Cybersecurity SIG had requested
funding to have me livestream a
forthcoming event, they were told,
we have our own channel now, why do
you need Joly at all?l</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">If a SIG or
chapter wants to record their
event via Zoom, they can send it
to us and we will post it on our
Internet Society on Demand YouTube
page, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@InternetSocietyOnDemand" id="m_6427512208440216121m_-1802892728291057977m_8840258758192076308m_-6748933133078236774m_8105549319201631091m_-1119908982505031933m_-7607672626833582488m_562563297109720651m_5410303177566415124LPlnkOWA83bb73e6-acac-afd0-1c57-32c64a7de27e" rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@InternetSocietyOnDemand</a><br>
If you require live streaming
(not sure how this differs
from leveraging your current Zoom
account and inviting members to
join.), please provide a document
with rationale, benefit, and
associated costs for Joly's
services and we can apply through
the external contractor process.</blockquote>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">So, as
Chapters/SIGS I work with know there
are several things ISOC LIVE does
beyond just reposting Zooms, e.g.
co-promoting their events,
recompositing the streams live,
simulcasting (including to regional
FB pages before they removed my
access) , editing the recordings,
making and correcting transcripts
etc etc. It shou;d be easy enough
to ,ale a quick Statement of Work
for that stuff. We'll see the
response.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">But SIGs are
a special case,.Unlike Chapters that
are chartered entities, SIGS are
internal projects and funded
internally. I suspect that any
Chapter looking for similar
funding will be referred to the BTN
Small Grants process (wherever it
reappears) with its 8 week run up
etc. As I have said before, this is
basically a non-starter, since in
all my days I've rarely if ever had
more than a few days notice of a
Chapter livestream. Nevertheless, a
draft Statement of Work will be
created that Chapters can use for
this purpose. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">In the
bigger picture the way this has been
done is just another example of ISOC
Staff imposing top-down solutions,
but, in this case, underhandedly, in
the face of vociferous advocacy from
the community.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">My feeling
on this is that Chapters should act
collectively to take control of
their media output, say a
Chapters Media Council or similar,
that, given ISOC's failings in this
area, both in vision and practice,
could take over ISOC LIVE, and
contract me, or someone else, to
keep up the work.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">This I
suspect would also satisfy ISOC
Comms, who plainly want to maintain
a clear distinction between Chapters
output and that of ISOC itself, in
order to focus their messaging. They
have never promoted the
livestreaming (with the notable
exception of the PIR fiasco).</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Joly</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 1:50 PM Caleb
Ogundele via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p><i>Speaking in my personal
capacity.</i><br>
<br>
Many thanks, Charles you for
sharing your thoughts, which
resonate with some of my own
reflections. I have been
following this conversation
closely, and while I may have a
different perspective on certain
comments made by a few
other persons in this thread, I
want to emphasize that ISOC is
community-driven and
community-powered. Engaging in
discussions like this makes us
better, as we can all learn from
one another and work towards
earning each other’s trust.</p>
<p>For the record, I support open
engagement that enhances our
Chapter, even though my
fiduciary duty at this point is
to ISOC.org, which limits the
extent of my engagement as a
member of ISOC's Board of
Trustees. However, I will always
advocate that community comes
first, and ISOC is no exception
in the multistakeholder approach
we have all championed. As an
African proverb states, “It
takes a whole village to raise a
child.” For ISOC to become what
we all envision in that child I
see in that proverb, it must
always be driven by engagement
within our community.</p>
<p>I want to express my gratitude
to all the community members who
have relentlessly engaged on
this topic. I believe that the
concerned individuals in this
thread are listening, and
listening is a key component of
accountability. I am optimistic
that taking the right steps to
earn the community's trust and
needs is important and I hope
this issue will soon be
resolved.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
<b>Caleb Ogundele</b><br>
Chapter Elected, <br>
ISOC Board of Trustees Member</p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 3:07 AM
Charles Mok (gmail) via
Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Thanks Eduardo. <br>
<br>
Eduardo you are right that
chapters and our members form
an important part of who ISOC
is. In "About Us" on our
website, you see we
prominently mentioned
"128,265" Members, "131"
chapters and SIGs, and 84 OMs.
This is by no means to compare
which is/are more important,
but it is also fair to say
that without chapters, we will
become more like a trade or
industry consortium, which is
clearly not what ISOC wants to
be seen as.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I also want to go
back to the points that
Barry talked about.
(Following Barry's lead, I
also say here for the
record that I am a trustee
elected by chapters.)<br>
<br>
The point that Barry (and
Luis) reiterated that "<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">once
any of </span>us becomes<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">
a </span>trustee we are<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">
not representing the
community that put us </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">here:
we are representing the
Internet Society itself
and acting in </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">the
interest of the Society as
a whole" is true. But, to
me, this is more about how
the communities (including
chapters, their leaders
and members) should
perceive the trustees,
more than binding what
they trustees should "care
about." It is true that it
is common that chapters
may have the "wrong
perception" that their
elected trustees
"represent" them, or
possibly also the same
perception exists for some
in the OM or IETF
communities too. But that
has more to do with
the constituents'
perception and hence
expectation, more than
what it should limit what
the trustees can or should
do. In fact, it shouldn't.
As a trustee, I believe we
can still advocate for
chapters, oir OMs, or
IETF, or anyone else. The
fortunate part of it is
that there shouldn't be a
"zero sum" scenario among
ISOC constituents and the
Internet communities as a
whole. After all, in
virtually all situations,
I strongly believe what is
good for the chapters as a
whole should be good for
the other communities, and
vice versa. Even what's
good for the OM community
"as a whole" (not
individual company
members) should be good
for chapters and the whole
Internet community too. So
why not? Even when we talk
about this case about live
streaming, those in the OM
or IETF communities can
listen to and benefit from
it, and I am sure some do
too, right? So, I choose
to advocate for any or all
of them as appropriate for
the matter, rather than
avoiding any one (or all)
of them, including the
constituent that just
happens to have elected me
to the board. </span></div>
<div><br>
And about the point that the
board should not interfere
with management actions, I
agree too that is proper.
The board should not
micromanage the executive
management. But that does
not mean that the board must
collectively agree with or
defend any (past or present)
management decision either.
Otherwise, it may be the
management micromanaging the
minds of individual board
trustees :) That would not
be a nice thing :) Of
course, due to
confidentiality, trustees
(and management too) should
not discuss the details of
the proceedings in the
board. But, that should not
be necessarily construed as
that the board collectively
agrees completely and
without any reservation with
any or management decisions,
the kind of thing that we
just said the board cannot
interfere with in the first
place. So, there may be some
management decisions that
some trustees may choose not
to defend. </div>
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<div>As Barry well said,
"management has to have the
freedom and flexibility to
handle day-to-day operations
as it sees appropriate,
within the strategic plan
that we worked with them to</div>
create." It should and can
also have the freedom and
flexibility to change course
and make revisions to policies
or executive decisions based
on new information, feedback
received from the communities,
and plainly learning to fix
something that did not work
very well.
<div><br>
There have been a lot of
useful discussions here. It
is unfortunate that the past
decision has got us to this
point. For that, as they
say, it is what it is, or,
it was what it was. Looking
to the future, I think we
can move on, and it seems
pretty clear that there are
ways (including some
discussed in the thread
here) that can lead to a
better outcome. </div>
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<div>Charles</div>
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Sep 18, 2024 at 2:45 PM
Eduardo Diaz via
Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Barry,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I
appreciate your
insights regarding the
responsibilities of
the Board of Trustees
for the entire
Internet Society.
However, it is crucial
to recognize that most
of the Internet
Society's composition
consists of its
chapters. The ISOC
chapters serve as the
organization's
foundation; without
them, ISOC would face
considerable
challenges in
effectively
communicating its
message. With
approximately 128,000
members, the chapters
are essential in
mobilizing and
engaging the broader
community. When
individuals join a
chapter, they become
ISOC global members
before selecting their
preferred chapter,
emphasizing the
chapters' importance
in representing the
entire ISOC community.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The
Chapter Advisory
Council (ChAC) was
established in the
ISOC bylaws to ensure
a unified voice for
all chapters, allowing
them to present issues
pertinent to their
members. Consequently,
when the Board
receives formal advice
from the ChAC, it
should be regarded as
a collective
perspective from its
chapters. Given that
the Board does not
engage in operational
matters, it would have
been prudent to
thoroughly review the
ISOC strategic
documents to identify
areas where the
functionality
explicitly requested
by the chapters could
be integrated into the
strategy and then
request the ISOC CEO
to implement it. I
believe this
consideration needed
to be adequately
addressed by all the
trustees, particularly
given the informal way
it was discussed. The
Board's request to
present this issue to
the staff has been
interpreted as a lack
of concern for the
chapters.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">So,
I would like to ask
whether the
trustees are willing
to consider a bylaw
change that would
allow the ChAC to send
formal advice to the
ISOC CEO regarding
matters deemed
operational. Absent
such a change, staff
may overlook valuable
advice, resulting in a
lack of incentive for
them to respond or
take official action,
and the chapters will
have no other avenue
to voice these
concerns.<span lang="ES-TRAD"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">-ed</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Just
an ISOC member</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span lang="ES-TRAD"> </span></p>
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10:51 AM Barry Leiba via
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I'm responding to
something in Luis's
note, but it's not
really a<br>
response to Luis -- it's
a clarification of what
the roles are.<br>
<br>
> Our BOT elected
members (and of course,
IETF and OMAC ones if
isolated) are a minority
in the Board<br>
> and they are
promptly remembered that
they are not
representing a sector
but the Internet Society
as a<br>
> whole, as written
in the legal framework.<br>
<br>
For the record: I'm a
trustee who was elected
by the Organization
Members.<br>
<br>
First, on the "minority"
point, I want to
highlight that the<br>
Organization Members
used to select half the
board, six members.<br>
Three each were selected
by the Chapters and by
the Standards<br>
Community (the IETF,
trustees appointed by
the IAB). This change<br>
around ten years ago to
the current balance --
one Organization<br>
selection was
transferred to the
Chapters, and one to the
IETF -- so<br>
we now have each of the
three communities having
an equal say (four<br>
trustees each) in the
constitution of the
board. We also have a<br>
thirteenth trustee now
(Funke Baruwa), who was
appointed by the board<br>
itself and whose
background lies outside
all three of those<br>
communities.<br>
<br>
Second, as Luis said and
which can't be stressed
enough, once any of<br>
us becomes a trustee we
are not representing the
community that put us<br>
here: we are
representing the
Internet Society itself
and acting in<br>
the interest of the
Society as a whole. We
have both a legal and<br>
moral responsibility to
do that. Of course, we
each come with our<br>
respective individual
backgrounds and
experience, which
certainly<br>
affects our individual
views, and that
diversity is crucial in
getting<br>
a broad global
perspective. Sometimes
that means that we have<br>
different views of what
is best for the
Society. But it doesn't<br>
change the basic truth
that we are all acting
not as representatives<br>
of the communities we
came from, but as
trustees of the Internet<br>
Society.<br>
<br>
Third, the board's role
is never to manage
operational decisions
for<br>
running the Society --
that's the job of the
Internet Society<br>
management. It is to
work with the Society to
set strategic<br>
direction, to oversee
the mission of the
Society. A board that
would<br>
micromanage things would
be overstepping its role
and would be toxic<br>
to the health of the
organization, whose
management has to have
the<br>
freedom and flexibility
to handle day-to-day
operations as it sees<br>
appropriate, within the
strategic plan that we
worked with them to<br>
create.<br>
<br>
Barry Leiba<br>
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