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Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
you might have missed my previous email, in the immediate aftermath
of the Internet Society Board of Trustees meeting on 2nd November
2024 and the run-up to the Internet Society Activities and Staff
meetings taking place in Istanbul last week.<br>
<br>
I am therefore sending you a copy of the thread in which my question
asking for a copy of the agreement which you refer to as "<i>The
agreement in place since 2018 between the Foundation and Internet
Society focuses on the legal obligations in line with the
Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3)..." </i>remains unanswered.<br>
<br>
Since I am unable to locate this agreement, I should think it would
be easy for you to forward it accordingly.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/11/2024 22:33, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond wrote:<br>
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Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Thank you for sharing the pointers to the documents on which you
have based your response that ISOC is not "outsourcing" to the
Foundation and that the two entities cooperate to achieve the
mission of the Internet Society.<br>
<br>
In your email to Judith Hellerstein of 28th September 2024, you
point to an agreement in place:<br>
"<i>On the agreements side, the email of September 23 references
the agreement in place since July 1, 2018 between the Foundation
and Internet Society. The name of the agreement: Facilities and
Services Agreement. Description: how the two organizations may
share some employees and the use of space on a cost
reimbursement basis as needed.</i>"<br>
<br>
In the 23rd September 2024 email you refer to, the only reference
you make to a 2018 agreement is as follows:<br>
"<i>The agreement in place since 2018 between the Foundation and
Internet Society focuses on the legal obligations in line with
the Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore, won’t be
useful for that purpose.</i>"<br>
<br>
Checking both the Internet Society and the Internet Society
Foundation Web sites, I could not trace that agreement.<br>
<br>
Please be so kind to provide a copy of such an agreement.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/10/2024 12:13, Ilona Levine
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Judith,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The
request seeking services agreement is based on the
assumption that the relationship between the two
organization is of the vendor type. As I mentioned in my
emails of September 20, September 23 and October 10,
the Foundation, instead, is a subsidiary of ISOC, not a
third-party service provider or outside contractor. So,
ISOC is not “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead,
the two entities cooperate to achieve the mission of the
Internet Society. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In other
words, that relationship is based on the US federal tax
law, not a set of service agreements. Here are some
additional legal documents that expand on that principle:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">The Foundation’s articles of
incorporation: <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Articles-of-Incorporation.pdf?_gl=1*1t6uwq3*_up*MQ..*_ga*NjczNzE1NzcxLjE3Mjk3ODQ2OTI.*_ga_BQY6ZNFJLB*MTcyOTc4NDY5MC4xLjEuMTcyOTc4NDcxMy4wLjAuMA.."
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title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Articles-of-Incorporation.pdf?_gl=1*1t6uwq3*_up*MQ..*_ga*NjczNzE1NzcxLjE3Mjk3ODQ2OTI.*_ga_BQY6ZNFJLB*MTcyOTc4NDY5MC4xLjEuMTcyOTc4NDcxMy4wLjAuMA.."
moz-do-not-send="true">Articles of Incorporation</a>.
Article SECOND of the Articles of Incorporation provides
that the Internet Society is the sole member the
Foundation. Article THIRD provides that the Foundation
is organized for the benefit of, or to conduct or
carryout the purposes of, the Internet Society. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">The Foundation’s IRS
Determination Letter, which designates the Foundation as
a Type I Supporting Organization based on the
Foundation’s Articles of Incorporation: <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Determination-Letter.pdf"
target="_blank"
title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Determination-Letter.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IRS Determination Letter</a><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Foundation's</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/board-of-trustees/governance/by-laws/"
target="_blank"
title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/board-of-trustees/governance/by-laws/"
moz-do-not-send="true">Bylaws</a> might also helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Similarly,
for ISOC:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/articles-of-incorporation/"
target="_blank"
title="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/articles-of-incorporation/"
moz-do-not-send="true">Articles of Incorporation</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/by-laws/"
target="_blank"
title="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/by-laws/"
moz-do-not-send="true">Bylaws</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On the
agreements side, the email of September 23 references the
agreement in place since July 1, 2018 between the
Foundation and Internet Society. The name of the
agreement: Facilities and Services Agreement. Description:
how the two organizations may share some employees and the
use of space on a cost reimbursement basis as needed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Judith
Hellerstein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><judith@jhellerstein.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, October 27, 2024 at 8:27 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a>,
Ted IETF <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>,
Chapter Delegates <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Follow-up on
Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ilona,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In Chris’s response there were no
documents sent. He just talked about the communications
plan. What Olivier is seeking is documents that set out
the rules for engagement between the foundation and the
ISOC HQ <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As Olivier states, Supporting
Organisation and the Supported Organisation is
formalised by a set of service agreements since the two
organisations remain legally distinct.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is these documents we are seeking.
We are not seeking the communications plan but these
specific legal documents that are connecting the two
groups. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have not seen these either neither
in your emails or in Chris’s and so I support Olivier’s
request<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Judith Hellerstein<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chapter Advisory Representative from
ISOC DC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<span
style="font-size:13.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">judith@jhellerstein.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Skype
ID:JudithHellerstein</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On
Oct 27, 2024, at 11:28<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM,
Ilona Levine via Chapter-delegates <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello
Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">To
address your concern that you have not received
any response from me on the matters you have
raised, I refer you to the emails dated 20
September, 23 September, and 10 October. They
contain information necessary to assist you and
ChAC, if needed, in the meeting with Chris next
week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 24, 2024 at
10:24 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ilona,<br>
<br>
referring to my email below, I note with concern
that I appear to have not received any response from
you on the matters I raised. Having mentioned in
your email dated 8 October 2024 that "<i>All
necessary legal documents, including agreements,
have been put in place to respect the separate
nature of the two organizations." </i>, I am yet
to have seen any of these documents which you
mentioned. Please be so kind to share them or if
this is not possible, even in a redacted manner,
then please provide a list of the agreements to
which you refer, including the date of the
agreement, the name of the agreement, the signatory
parties, and a brief description of each agreement.<br>
<br>
I reiterate the differentiation between a
"supporting organisation" and a "merged
organisation", which are not legally the same.
Supporting organisations require, under Company Law,
that the link between the Supporting Organisation
and the Supported Organisation is formalised by a
set of service agreements since the two
organisations remain legally distinct.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 15/10/2024 10:56, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for your email dated 10 October 2024.<br>
<br>
I am disappointed to note that you have still not
provided a response with the information requested
in my emails appended in the email thread below.
You will note the extract below from my email
dated 8 October 2024: <br>
<br>
QUOTE: <br>
"Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been put
in place to respect the separate nature of the
two organizations.</i><br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that
is not possible, even in a redacted manner, for
whatever reason, then please provide a list of the
agreements to which you refer, including the date
of the agreement, the name of the agreement, the
signatory parties, and a brief description of each
agreement."<br>
<br>
I reiterate this request and would be grateful if
you could provide the information requested
without further delay. <br>
<br>
I very much appreciate (and draw your attention
to) the input and support for this information
request from my fellow "Chapter Delegates". <br>
<br>
As a reminder, in U.S. company law, a "supporting
organisation" and a "merged organisation" are not
legally the same.<br>
<br>
I am pleased that we all appear to agree that the
Internet Society Foundation is formally a "Section
509(a)(3) Supporting Organisation" under United
States Non Profit Tax Law. <br>
The information from the IRS links below provide
helpful "Official Guidance":<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
<br>
I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/2024 17:04, Ilona
Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you for your
follow up email. I think the use of the term
"outsourcing" in the email below might have
caused some confusion. You mentioned you are
familiar with the “supporting organizations”
and how they operate, but it might also be
helpful for me to provide some additional
background for others.<br>
<br>
As you know, the relationship between
supporting and supported organizations is not
a vendor or contractor relationship. Though
the Foundation is a separate corporation, it
is a controlled subsidiary of ISOC, not a
third-party service provider or outside
contractor. So ISOC is not “outsourcing” to
the Foundation but instead, the two entities
cooperate to achieve the mission of the
Internet Society. In other words, as a
supporting organization, the Foundation’s
purpose is to operate for the benefit of, and
to support, ISOC. In furtherance of that
purpose, the Foundation conducts programs and
activities that benefit ISOC and furthers
ISOC’s mission. For example, the Foundation
engages in communications activities at the
direction of and to the benefit of ISOC.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">As you also know
based on your extensive experience with
nonprofits, the Internet Society Board
develops the overall strategy for
ISOC. Internet Society management then
develops its action plan and in turn, works
with the Foundation to ensure that it, as a
supporting organization, provides the support
necessary to achieve ISOC’s goals. The
Foundation does that through its own action
plan, which sets out objectives for all of its
functions, including the communications
function. So the Board sets the strategy,
Internet Society management creates the action
plans, and the Foundation management allocates
resources to support those plans as necessary.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">After the approval of
the 2025 action plans, ISOC will share them
with the community. As discussed earlier,
part of that will be Chris presenting to this
community how the communications group will be
tackling its work in the upcoming year.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at
8:47 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF <a
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth <a
href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September
2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ilona,<br>
<br>
Further to our discussion two weeks ago
regarding the definition of the relationship
between the Internet Society and the Internet
Society Foundation, in the absence of your
response, I wish to reiterate the need for a
clear outsourcing agreement between these
entities. It is recognised as good business
practice internationally to establish such
agreements to delineate respective liabilities
in the execution of these contracts.<br>
<br>
Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been put
in place to respect the separate nature of the
two organizations.</i>"<br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If
that is not possible, even in a redacted manner,
for whatever reason, then please provide a list
of the agreements to which you refer, including
the date of the agreement, the name of the
agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief
description of each agreement.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/09/2024 17:22,
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
<br>
The thread may not have come all through.
During the Chapter Advisory Council call, Ted
mentioned the transfer of some
responsibilities in relation to Communications
from the Internet Society to the Internet
Society Foundation. My initial question to Ted
was in regards to the outsourcing agreement as
follows:<br>
<br>
<i>"I was previously unaware of this change.
Although the Internet Society Foundation may
have been designated by the Internet Society
as a "supporting organisation" of the
Internet Society, it remains a distinct and
separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume
that any "outsourcing" of responsibilities
such as Marketing and/or Communications
would be defined in a written "contract for
services" between the Parties setting out
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and
obligations of each Party. Could you please
provide the terms for such an agreement and
any limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing
between executing the Communications Plan
and drafting the Communications Plan. These
are fundamentally different tasks and would
undoubtedly be included in the "contract for
services"".</i> <br>
<br>
The top level responsibility of the strategy
of the Internet Society remains within the
Internet Society. I find it surprising that an
outsourcing entity would be able to dictate
that strategy without it being agreed by the
Internet Society itself.<br>
The Internet Society has the opportunity to
outsource the execution of its Communications
Plan to a supporting organisation on the basis
of terms and conditions agreed between the
parties. This requires outsourcing
agreement(s) in order to know where the
boundaries and responsibilities are between
the two organisations, including their
respective liabilities in the execution of
these agreement(s).<br>
<br>
For example: <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<h3
style="mso-margin-top-alt:9.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#111111">Key
Components of an Outsourcing Communications
Agreement</span><o:p></o:p></h3>
<ol
style="margin-top:0in;display:flex;flex-direction: column;gap: 12px;padding-inline-start: 24px;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: 2;text-align:start;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px"
start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Introduction
and Definitions</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Clearly
define the parties involved.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Provide
definitions for key terms used
throughout the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Scope of
Services</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="2" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Detail
the specific services to be outsourced.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
service level agreements (SLAs) to set
performance standards.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Term and
Termination</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="3" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify
the duration of the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline
conditions for termination by either
party.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Pricing and
Payment Terms</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="4" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Define
the pricing structure and payment
schedule.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
any penalties for late payments or
performance failures.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Confidentiality
and Data Protection</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="5" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Ensure
compliance with data protection laws.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
confidentiality clauses to protect
sensitive information.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Intellectual
Property Rights</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="6" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Clarify
the ownership of any intellectual
property created during the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Warranties
and Liability</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="7" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline
the warranties provided by the service
provider.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Define
the liability limits for both parties.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="8" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Monitoring
and Reporting</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="8" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Establish
how performance will be monitored and
reported.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
provisions for regular review meetings.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="9" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Dispute
Resolution</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="9" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify
the process for resolving disputes.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
mediation or arbitration clauses if
applicable.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="10" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"> <strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">Exit
Management</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="10" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Plan for
the transition of services back to the
company or to another provider.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
provisions for the transfer of data and
assets.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary
legal documents, including agreements, have
been put in place to respect the separate
nature of the two organizations."<br>
Thus I would be interested in its details as
explained in my email.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 23/09/2024 18:36,
Ilona Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I understand that
the nature of your request is to assist
the Chapters Advisory Council and Chris
Locke in preparation to his session on the
communication plan. The agreement in place
since 2018 between the Foundation and
Internet Society focuses on the legal
obligations in line with the Foundation's
role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore, won’t
be useful for that purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, September 22, 2024
at 8:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF <a
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth <a
href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on
Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of 17
September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for clarifying that all necessary
legal documents, including agreements, have
been duly executed to respect the separate
nature of the two organisations.<br>
<br>
I am aware of the publication of the
original IETF Administration LLC agreements
with the Internet Society, specifically:<br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
Agreement (2020)</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
Agreement Amendment (2020)</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
Agreement Amended and Restated (2024)</a><br>
<br>
These documents are accessible on the IETF
Administration LLC’s website at <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
<br>
Could you kindly confirm whether the
agreements between the Foundation and the
Internet Society are also publicly
available? I have been unable to locate them
on either website.<br>
<br>
I would appreciate it if you could provide a
list of the agreements to which you refer,
including the date of the agreement, the
name of the agreement, the signatory
parties, and a brief description of each
agreement.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your kind response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 19:48,
Ilona Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Olivier,
thank you for your follow up email. You
noted that you are aware of the tax
requirements that apply to supporting
organizations. Mainly, those
requirements relate to supporting the
mission of its supported entities. In
this case, the Internet Society. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">As part of that
support, the Foundation provides grants
to other organizations that have
missions consistent with the Internet
Society’s in order to fund programs that
further the Internet Society’s purposes.
The Foundation also engages in
activities that support Internet Society
directly. For example, the Foundation
engages in fundraising and communication
activities for the benefit of the
Internet Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">As you also
pointed out, the Foundation is a
separate legal entity. It is a
controlled subsidiary of Internet
Society. All necessary legal documents,
including agreements, have been put in
place to respect the separate nature of
the two organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I trust this
answers your question.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, September 20,
2024 at 11:38 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ted IETF <a
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>,
Ilona Levine <a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth <a
href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on
Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of
17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ted,<br>
<br>
thank you for your follow-up on this
matter. I am aware of the special tax
terms in relation to "supporting
organisations". <br>
<br>
That being said, the Internet Society
Foundation is a distinct and separate
legal entity to the Internet Society,
irrespective of the relationship between
them. As a result, any outsourcing task
undertaken by one, for the other entity,
would be defined in a contract, whether
written, verbal or otherwise. If not,
there is a lack of clarity and
expectations about the relationship, which
brings potential liability and risk that
both entities are subjected to, in
relation to the other's actions. Any
lawyer would tell you that it is highly
advisable to have a written contract, if
only for legal protection.<br>
<br>
Thanks for letting me know that you are
travelling. I am copying President and CEO
Sally Wentworth in case you're unavailable
for a length of time.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 13:12,
Ted Hardie wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Olivier,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A supporting
organization is a term of art in
US tax law, please see:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Explaining
how the two relate is
complicated enough that there
are legal briefs on it; I have
cc'ed the Society's chief
counsel in case you would like
that level of detail. The
summary, however, is that a
supporting organization is a
charity because it supports the
charitable purpose of the main
organization. As a result, it
can provide services to the main
organization under the special
tax rules noted above. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note that I
am traveling and will generally
be slow to respond for a few
days, but hopefully the links
above will get you started and
Ilona can provide more detailed
legal information as needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ted Hardie<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 20,
2024 at 6:24<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond <<a
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ocl@gih.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ted, <o:p></o:p></p>
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During this week’s Chapters
Advisory Council call, you
mentioned that the Internet
Society Foundation, as a
"supporting organisation" of
the Internet Society, is
managing the communications
department for the Internet
Society. <br>
<br>
Upon seeking clarification,
you explained that the
Internet Society Foundation
comprises two elements: one
philanthropic (grant-making)
and the other as a "supporting
organisation" of the Internet
Society. "This implies that
many of the supporting
functions for the Internet
Society as a whole are now
part of the Foundation,
primarily because the
Foundation can provide these
services to the Internet
Society at no cost".<br>
<br>
You further elaborated that
this "arrangement" allows the
Internet Society to allocate
its budget more effectively.<br>
<br>
I was previously unaware of
this change. Although the
Internet Society Foundation
may have been designated by
the Internet Society as a
"supporting organisation" of
the Internet Society, it
remains a distinct and
separate legal entity.
Therefore, I assume that any
"outsourcing" of
responsibilities such as
Marketing and/or
Communications would be
defined in a written "contract
for services" between the
Parties setting out
(inter-alia) the terms,
rights, and obligations of
each Party. Could you please
provide the terms for such an
agreement and any limitations
therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in
distinguishing between
executing the Communications
Plan and drafting the
Communications Plan. These are
fundamentally different tasks
and would undoubtedly be
included in the "contract for
services". <br>
<br>
The "contract for services"
(together with any relevant
supporting information) will
be helpful input for both the
Chapters Advisory Council and
also for Chris Locke and his
Team (including for the
current "branding"
presentations) in preparation
for the promised session from
Chris Locke to the Chapters
Advisory Council. <br>
<br>
I look forward to your
response and to receiving a
copy of the "contract for
services" agreement, together
with any relevant supporting
information as requested
above.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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