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Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Thank you for sharing the pointers to the documents on which you
have based your response that ISOC is not "outsourcing" to the
Foundation and that the two entities cooperate to achieve the
mission of the Internet Society.<br>
<br>
In your email to Judith Hellerstein of 28th September 2024, you
point to an agreement in place:<br>
"<i>On the agreements side, the email of September 23 references the
agreement in place since July 1, 2018 between the Foundation and
Internet Society. The name of the agreement: Facilities and
Services Agreement. Description: how the two organizations may
share some employees and the use of space on a cost reimbursement
basis as needed.</i>"<br>
<br>
In the 23rd September 2024 email you refer to, the only reference
you make to a 2018 agreement is as follows:<br>
"<i>The agreement in place since 2018 between the Foundation and
Internet Society focuses on the legal obligations in line with the
Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore, won’t be useful
for that purpose.</i>"<br>
<br>
Checking both the Internet Society and the Internet Society
Foundation Web sites, I could not trace that agreement.<br>
<br>
Please be so kind to provide a copy of such an agreement.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/10/2024 12:13, Ilona Levine
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Judith,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The request
seeking services agreement is based on the assumption that
the relationship between the two organization is of the
vendor type. As I mentioned in my emails of September 20,
September 23 and October 10, the Foundation, instead, is a
subsidiary of ISOC, not a third-party service provider or
outside contractor. So, ISOC is not “outsourcing” to the
Foundation but instead, the two entities cooperate to
achieve the mission of the Internet Society. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In other
words, that relationship is based on the US federal tax law,
not a set of service agreements. Here are some additional
legal documents that expand on that principle:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">The Foundation’s articles of
incorporation: <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Articles-of-Incorporation.pdf?_gl=1*1t6uwq3*_up*MQ..*_ga*NjczNzE1NzcxLjE3Mjk3ODQ2OTI.*_ga_BQY6ZNFJLB*MTcyOTc4NDY5MC4xLjEuMTcyOTc4NDcxMy4wLjAuMA.."
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title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Articles-of-Incorporation.pdf?_gl=1*1t6uwq3*_up*MQ..*_ga*NjczNzE1NzcxLjE3Mjk3ODQ2OTI.*_ga_BQY6ZNFJLB*MTcyOTc4NDY5MC4xLjEuMTcyOTc4NDcxMy4wLjAuMA.."
moz-do-not-send="true">Articles of Incorporation</a>.
Article SECOND of the Articles of Incorporation provides
that the Internet Society is the sole member the
Foundation. Article THIRD provides that the Foundation is
organized for the benefit of, or to conduct or carryout
the purposes of, the Internet Society. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">The Foundation’s IRS
Determination Letter, which designates the Foundation as a
Type I Supporting Organization based on the Foundation’s
Articles of Incorporation: <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Determination-Letter.pdf"
target="_blank"
title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Determination-Letter.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IRS Determination Letter</a><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Foundation's</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/board-of-trustees/governance/by-laws/"
target="_blank"
title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/board-of-trustees/governance/by-laws/"
moz-do-not-send="true">Bylaws</a> might also helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Similarly,
for ISOC:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/articles-of-incorporation/"
target="_blank"
title="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/articles-of-incorporation/"
moz-do-not-send="true">Articles of Incorporation</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/by-laws/"
target="_blank"
title="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/by-laws/"
moz-do-not-send="true">Bylaws</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On the
agreements side, the email of September 23 references the
agreement in place since July 1, 2018 between the Foundation
and Internet Society. The name of the agreement: Facilities
and Services Agreement. Description: how the two
organizations may share some employees and the use of space
on a cost reimbursement basis as needed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Judith
Hellerstein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"><judith@jhellerstein.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, October 27, 2024 at 8:27 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a>,
Ted IETF <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>, Chapter Delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Follow-up on
Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ilona,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In Chris’s response there were no
documents sent. He just talked about the communications
plan. What Olivier is seeking is documents that set out
the rules for engagement between the foundation and the
ISOC HQ <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As Olivier states, Supporting
Organisation and the Supported Organisation is formalised
by a set of service agreements since the two organisations
remain legally distinct.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is these documents we are seeking.
We are not seeking the communications plan but these
specific legal documents that are connecting the two
groups. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have not seen these either neither in
your emails or in Chris’s and so I support Olivier’s
request<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Judith Hellerstein<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chapter Advisory Representative from
ISOC DC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<span
style="font-size:13.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com">judith@jhellerstein.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Skype
ID:JudithHellerstein</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Oct
27, 2024, at 11:28<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM,
Ilona Levine via Chapter-delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello
Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">To
address your concern that you have not received any
response from me on the matters you have raised, I
refer you to the emails dated 20 September, 23
September, and 10 October. They contain information
necessary to assist you and ChAC, if needed, in the
meeting with Chris next week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 24, 2024 at 10:24
AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>, Sally
Wentworth <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ilona,<br>
<br>
referring to my email below, I note with concern that
I appear to have not received any response from you on
the matters I raised. Having mentioned in your email
dated 8 October 2024 that "<i>All necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been put in
place to respect the separate nature of the two
organizations." </i>, I am yet to have seen any of
these documents which you mentioned. Please be so kind
to share them or if this is not possible, even in a
redacted manner, then please provide a list of the
agreements to which you refer, including the date of
the agreement, the name of the agreement, the
signatory parties, and a brief description of each
agreement.<br>
<br>
I reiterate the differentiation between a "supporting
organisation" and a "merged organisation", which are
not legally the same. Supporting organisations
require, under Company Law, that the link between the
Supporting Organisation and the Supported Organisation
is formalised by a set of service agreements since the
two organisations remain legally distinct.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15/10/2024 10:56, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for your email dated 10 October 2024.<br>
<br>
I am disappointed to note that you have still not
provided a response with the information requested
in my emails appended in the email thread below. You
will note the extract below from my email dated 8
October 2024:
<br>
<br>
QUOTE: <br>
"Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been put in
place to respect the separate nature of the two
organizations.</i><br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is
not possible, even in a redacted manner, for
whatever reason, then please provide a list of the
agreements to which you refer, including the date of
the agreement, the name of the agreement, the
signatory parties, and a brief description of each
agreement."<br>
<br>
I reiterate this request and would be grateful if
you could provide the information requested without
further delay.
<br>
<br>
I very much appreciate (and draw your attention to)
the input and support for this information request
from my fellow "Chapter Delegates".
<br>
<br>
As a reminder, in U.S. company law, a "supporting
organisation" and a "merged organisation" are not
legally the same.<br>
<br>
I am pleased that we all appear to agree that the
Internet Society Foundation is formally a "Section
509(a)(3) Supporting Organisation" under United
States Non Profit Tax Law.
<br>
The information from the IRS links below provide
helpful "Official Guidance":<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
<br>
I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/2024 17:04, Ilona
Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi
Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank
you for your follow up email. I think the use of
the term "outsourcing" in the email below might
have caused some confusion. You mentioned you
are familiar with the “supporting organizations”
and how they operate, but it might also be
helpful for me to provide some additional
background for others.<br>
<br>
As you know, the relationship between supporting
and supported organizations is not a vendor or
contractor relationship. Though the Foundation
is a separate corporation, it is a controlled
subsidiary of ISOC, not a third-party service
provider or outside contractor. So ISOC is not
“outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead, the
two entities cooperate to achieve the mission of
the Internet Society. In other words, as a
supporting organization, the Foundation’s
purpose is to operate for the benefit of, and to
support, ISOC. In furtherance of that
purpose, the Foundation conducts programs and
activities that benefit ISOC and furthers ISOC’s
mission. For example, the Foundation engages
in communications activities at the direction of
and to the benefit of ISOC.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As
you also know based on your extensive experience
with nonprofits, the Internet Society Board
develops the overall strategy for ISOC. Internet
Society management then develops its action plan
and in turn, works with the Foundation to ensure
that it, as a supporting organization, provides
the support necessary to achieve ISOC’s goals.
The Foundation does that through its own action
plan, which sets out objectives for all of its
functions, including the communications
function. So the Board sets the strategy,
Internet Society management creates the action
plans, and the Foundation management allocates
resources to support those plans as necessary.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After
the approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC will
share them with the community. As discussed
earlier, part of that will be Chris presenting
to this community how the communications group
will be tackling its work in the upcoming year.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond
<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47
AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF
<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth
<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ilona,<br>
<br>
Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding
the definition of the relationship between the
Internet Society and the Internet Society
Foundation, in the absence of your response, I
wish to reiterate the need for a clear outsourcing
agreement between these entities. It is recognised
as good business practice internationally to
establish such agreements to delineate respective
liabilities in the execution of these contracts.<br>
<br>
Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been put
in place to respect the separate nature of the
two organizations.</i>"<br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that
is not possible, even in a redacted manner, for
whatever reason, then please provide a list of the
agreements to which you refer, including the date
of the agreement, the name of the agreement, the
signatory parties, and a brief description of each
agreement.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
<br>
The thread may not have come all through. During
the Chapter Advisory Council call, Ted mentioned
the transfer of some responsibilities in
relation to Communications from the Internet
Society to the Internet Society Foundation. My
initial question to Ted was in regards to the
outsourcing agreement as follows:<br>
<br>
<i>"I was previously unaware of this change.
Although the Internet Society Foundation may
have been designated by the Internet Society
as a "supporting organisation" of the Internet
Society, it remains a distinct and separate
legal entity. Therefore, I assume that any
"outsourcing" of responsibilities such as
Marketing and/or Communications would be
defined in a written "contract for services"
between the Parties setting out (inter-alia)
the terms, rights, and obligations of each
Party. Could you please provide the terms for
such an agreement and any limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing
between executing the Communications Plan and
drafting the Communications Plan. These are
fundamentally different tasks and would
undoubtedly be included in the "contract for
services"".</i>
<br>
<br>
The top level responsibility of the strategy of
the Internet Society remains within the Internet
Society. I find it surprising that an
outsourcing entity would be able to dictate that
strategy without it being agreed by the Internet
Society itself.<br>
The Internet Society has the opportunity to
outsource the execution of its Communications
Plan to a supporting organisation on the basis
of terms and conditions agreed between the
parties. This requires outsourcing agreement(s)
in order to know where the boundaries and
responsibilities are between the two
organisations, including their respective
liabilities in the execution of these
agreement(s).<br>
<br>
For example: <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<h3
style="mso-margin-top-alt:9.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#111111">Key
Components of an Outsourcing Communications
Agreement</span><o:p></o:p></h3>
<ol
style="margin-top:0in;display:flex;flex-direction: column;gap: 12px;padding-inline-start: 24px;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: 2;text-align:start;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px"
start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Introduction
and Definitions</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Clearly
define the parties involved.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Provide
definitions for key terms used throughout
the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Scope
of Services</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="2" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Detail the
specific services to be outsourced.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
service level agreements (SLAs) to set
performance standards.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Term
and Termination</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="3" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the
duration of the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline
conditions for termination by either
party.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Pricing
and Payment Terms</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="4" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the
pricing structure and payment schedule.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include any
penalties for late payments or performance
failures.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Confidentiality
and Data Protection</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="5" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Ensure
compliance with data protection laws.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
confidentiality clauses to protect
sensitive information.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Intellectual
Property Rights</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="6" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Clarify the
ownership of any intellectual property
created during the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Warranties
and Liability</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="7" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline the
warranties provided by the service
provider.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the
liability limits for both parties.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="8" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Monitoring
and Reporting</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="8" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Establish
how performance will be monitored and
reported.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
provisions for regular review meetings.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="9" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Dispute
Resolution</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="9" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the
process for resolving disputes.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
mediation or arbitration clauses if
applicable.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="10" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Exit
Management</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<ol start="10" type="1">
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Plan for
the transition of services back to the
company or to another provider.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
provisions for the transfer of data and
assets.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been put
in place to respect the separate nature of the
two organizations."<br>
Thus I would be interested in its details as
explained in my email.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona
Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I understand that
the nature of your request is to assist the
Chapters Advisory Council and Chris Locke in
preparation to his session on the
communication plan. The agreement in place
since 2018 between the Foundation and
Internet Society focuses on the legal
obligations in line with the Foundation's
role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore, won’t be
useful for that purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond
<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, September 22, 2024
at 8:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF
<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth
<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September
2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for clarifying that all necessary
legal documents, including agreements, have
been duly executed to respect the separate
nature of the two organisations.<br>
<br>
I am aware of the publication of the original
IETF Administration LLC agreements with the
Internet Society, specifically:<br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
Agreement (2020)</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
Agreement Amendment (2020)</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
Agreement Amended and Restated (2024)</a><br>
<br>
These documents are accessible on the IETF
Administration LLC’s website at <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
<br>
Could you kindly confirm whether the
agreements between the Foundation and the
Internet Society are also publicly available?
I have been unable to locate them on either
website.<br>
<br>
I would appreciate it if you could provide a
list of the agreements to which you refer,
including the date of the agreement, the name
of the agreement, the signatory parties, and a
brief description of each agreement.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your kind response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 19:48,
Ilona Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Olivier, thank
you for your follow up email. You noted
that you are aware of the tax requirements
that apply to supporting organizations.
Mainly, those requirements relate to
supporting the mission of its supported
entities. In this case, the Internet
Society. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">As part of that
support, the Foundation provides grants to
other organizations that have missions
consistent with the Internet Society’s in
order to fund programs that further the
Internet Society’s purposes. The
Foundation also engages in activities that
support Internet Society directly. For
example, the Foundation engages in
fundraising and communication activities
for the benefit of the Internet Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">As you also
pointed out, the Foundation is a separate
legal entity. It is a controlled
subsidiary of Internet Society. All
necessary legal documents, including
agreements, have been put in place to
respect the separate nature of the two
organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond
<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, September 20, 2024
at 11:38 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ted IETF <a
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>,
Ilona Levine
<a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth
<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on
Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of 17
September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ted,<br>
<br>
thank you for your follow-up on this matter.
I am aware of the special tax terms in
relation to "supporting organisations".
<br>
<br>
That being said, the Internet Society
Foundation is a distinct and separate legal
entity to the Internet Society, irrespective
of the relationship between them. As a
result, any outsourcing task undertaken by
one, for the other entity, would be defined
in a contract, whether written, verbal or
otherwise. If not, there is a lack of
clarity and expectations about the
relationship, which brings potential
liability and risk that both entities are
subjected to, in relation to the other's
actions. Any lawyer would tell you that it
is highly advisable to have a written
contract, if only for legal protection.<br>
<br>
Thanks for letting me know that you are
travelling. I am copying President and CEO
Sally Wentworth in case you're unavailable
for a length of time.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 13:12,
Ted Hardie wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A supporting
organization is a term of art in US
tax law, please see:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Explaining how
the two relate is complicated
enough that there are legal briefs
on it; I have cc'ed the Society's
chief counsel in case you would
like that level of detail. The
summary, however, is that a
supporting organization is a
charity because it supports the
charitable purpose of the main
organization. As a result, it can
provide services to the main
organization under the special tax
rules noted above.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note that I am
traveling and will generally be
slow to respond for a few days,
but hopefully the links above will
get you started and Ilona can
provide more detailed legal
information as needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ted Hardie<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 20,
2024 at 6:24<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond <<a
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ocl@gih.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ted, <o:p></o:p></p>
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During this week’s Chapters
Advisory Council call, you
mentioned that the Internet
Society Foundation, as a
"supporting organisation" of the
Internet Society, is managing
the communications department
for the Internet Society.
<br>
<br>
Upon seeking clarification, you
explained that the Internet
Society Foundation comprises two
elements: one philanthropic
(grant-making) and the other as
a "supporting organisation" of
the Internet Society. "This
implies that many of the
supporting functions for the
Internet Society as a whole are
now part of the Foundation,
primarily because the Foundation
can provide these services to
the Internet Society at no
cost".<br>
<br>
You further elaborated that this
"arrangement" allows the
Internet Society to allocate its
budget more effectively.<br>
<br>
I was previously unaware of this
change. Although the Internet
Society Foundation may have been
designated by the Internet
Society as a "supporting
organisation" of the Internet
Society, it remains a distinct
and separate legal entity.
Therefore, I assume that any
"outsourcing" of
responsibilities such as
Marketing and/or Communications
would be defined in a written
"contract for services" between
the Parties setting out
(inter-alia) the terms, rights,
and obligations of each Party.
Could you please provide the
terms for such an agreement and
any limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in
distinguishing between executing
the Communications Plan and
drafting the Communications
Plan. These are fundamentally
different tasks and would
undoubtedly be included in the
"contract for services".
<br>
<br>
The "contract for services"
(together with any relevant
supporting information) will be
helpful input for both the
Chapters Advisory Council and
also for Chris Locke and his
Team (including for the current
"branding" presentations) in
preparation for the promised
session from Chris Locke to the
Chapters Advisory Council. <br>
<br>
I look forward to your response
and to receiving a copy of the
"contract for services"
agreement, together with any
relevant supporting information
as requested above.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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