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    Dear Ilona,<br>
    <br>
    Thank you for sharing the pointers to the documents on which you
    have based your response that ISOC is not "outsourcing" to the
    Foundation and that the two entities cooperate to achieve the
    mission of the Internet Society.<br>
    <br>
    In your email to Judith Hellerstein of 28th September 2024, you
    point to an agreement in place:<br>
    "<i>On the agreements side, the email of September 23 references the
      agreement in place since July 1, 2018 between the Foundation and
      Internet Society. The name of the agreement: Facilities and
      Services Agreement. Description: how the two organizations may
      share some employees and the use of space on a cost reimbursement
      basis as needed.</i>"<br>
    <br>
    In the 23rd September 2024 email you refer to, the only reference
    you make to a 2018 agreement is as follows:<br>
    "<i>The agreement in place since 2018 between the Foundation and
      Internet Society focuses on the legal obligations in line with the
      Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore, won’t be useful
      for that purpose.</i>"<br>
    <br>
    Checking both the Internet Society and the Internet Society
    Foundation Web sites, I could not trace that agreement.<br>
    <br>
    Please be so kind to provide a copy of such an agreement.<br>
    <br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/10/2024 12:13, Ilona Levine
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Judith,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The request
            seeking services agreement is based on the assumption that
            the relationship between the two organization is of the
            vendor type.  As I mentioned in my emails of September 20,
            September 23 and October 10, the Foundation, instead, is a
            subsidiary of ISOC, not a third-party service provider or
            outside contractor.  So, ISOC is not “outsourcing” to the
            Foundation but instead, the two entities cooperate to
            achieve the mission of the Internet Society.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In other
            words, that relationship is based on the US federal tax law,
            not a set of service agreements.  Here are some additional
            legal documents that expand on that principle:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt">The Foundation’s articles of
              incorporation: <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Articles-of-Incorporation.pdf?_gl=1*1t6uwq3*_up*MQ..*_ga*NjczNzE1NzcxLjE3Mjk3ODQ2OTI.*_ga_BQY6ZNFJLB*MTcyOTc4NDY5MC4xLjEuMTcyOTc4NDcxMy4wLjAuMA.."
                target="_blank"
title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Articles-of-Incorporation.pdf?_gl=1*1t6uwq3*_up*MQ..*_ga*NjczNzE1NzcxLjE3Mjk3ODQ2OTI.*_ga_BQY6ZNFJLB*MTcyOTc4NDY5MC4xLjEuMTcyOTc4NDcxMy4wLjAuMA.."
                moz-do-not-send="true">Articles of Incorporation</a>.
              Article SECOND of the Articles of Incorporation provides
              that the Internet Society is the sole member the
              Foundation. Article THIRD provides that the Foundation is
              organized for the benefit of, or to conduct or carryout
              the purposes of, the Internet Society. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt">The Foundation’s IRS
              Determination Letter, which designates the Foundation as a
              Type I Supporting Organization based on the Foundation’s
              Articles of Incorporation: <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Determination-Letter.pdf"
                target="_blank"
title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Determination-Letter.pdf"
                moz-do-not-send="true">IRS Determination Letter</a><o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><u><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt">Foundation's</span></u><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/board-of-trustees/governance/by-laws/"
                target="_blank"
title="https://www.isocfoundation.org/board-of-trustees/governance/by-laws/"
                moz-do-not-send="true">Bylaws</a> might also helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ul>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Similarly,
            for ISOC:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/articles-of-incorporation/"
              target="_blank"
title="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/articles-of-incorporation/"
              moz-do-not-send="true">Articles of Incorporation</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/by-laws/"
              target="_blank"
title="https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/by-laws/"
              moz-do-not-send="true">Bylaws</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On the
            agreements side, the email of September 23 references the
            agreement in place since July 1, 2018 between the Foundation
            and Internet Society. The name of the agreement: Facilities
            and Services Agreement. Description: how the two
            organizations may share some employees and the use of space
            on a cost reimbursement basis as needed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white">Ilona
                  Levine,</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white"> SVP,
                General Counsel and Corporate Secretary</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white"><a
                  href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                  title="mailto:levine@isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                    style="color:#0563C1">levine@isoc.org</span></a>|
              </span><span
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                <span style="background:white">internetsociety.org |
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                  title="https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;color:red">Help
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
              </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Judith
              Hellerstein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"><judith@jhellerstein.com></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Sunday, October 27, 2024 at 8:27 PM<br>
              <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a>,
              Ted IETF <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>, Chapter Delegates
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Follow-up on
              Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ilona,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">In Chris’s response there were no
              documents sent. He just talked about the communications
              plan.  What Olivier is seeking is documents that set out
              the rules for engagement between the foundation and the
              ISOC HQ <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">As Olivier states, Supporting
              Organisation and the Supported Organisation is formalised
              by a set of service agreements since the two organisations
              remain legally distinct.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">It is these documents we are seeking.
               We are not seeking the communications plan but these
              specific legal documents that are connecting the two
              groups.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I have not seen these either neither in
              your emails or in Chris’s and so I support Olivier’s
              request<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Judith Hellerstein<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Chapter Advisory Representative from
              ISOC DC<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<span
                  style="font-size:13.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com">judith@jhellerstein.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Skype
                    ID:JudithHellerstein</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Oct
                  27, 2024, at 11:28<span
                    style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM,
                  Ilona Levine via Chapter-delegates
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello
                    Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">To
                    address your concern that you have not received any
                    response from me on the matters you have raised, I
                    refer you to the emails dated 20 September, 23
                    September, and 10 October. They contain information
                    necessary to assist you and ChAC, if needed, in the
                    meeting with Chris next week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white">Ilona
                          Levine,</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white"> General
                        Counsel and Corporate Secretary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white"><a
                          href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                          title="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                            style="color:#0563C1">levine@isoc.org</span></a>|
                      </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C"><br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
                      </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
                      MJ Crépin-Leblond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                      <b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 24, 2024 at 10:24
                      AM<br>
                      <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
                      Ted IETF <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
                      <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>, Sally
                      Wentworth <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                      <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
                      Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
                  Ilona,<br>
                  <br>
                  referring to my email below, I note with concern that
                  I appear to have not received any response from you on
                  the matters I raised. Having mentioned in your email
                  dated 8 October 2024 that "<i>All necessary legal
                    documents, including agreements, have been put in
                    place to respect the separate nature of the two
                    organizations." </i>, I am yet to have seen any of
                  these documents which you mentioned. Please be so kind
                  to share them or if this is not possible, even in a
                  redacted manner, then please provide a list of the
                  agreements to which you refer, including the date of
                  the agreement, the name of the agreement, the
                  signatory parties, and a brief description of each
                  agreement.<br>
                  <br>
                  I reiterate the differentiation between a "supporting
                  organisation" and a "merged organisation", which are
                  not legally the same. Supporting organisations
                  require, under Company Law, that the link between the
                  Supporting Organisation and the Supported Organisation
                  is formalised by a set of service agreements since the
                  two organisations remain legally distinct.<br>
                  <br>
                  I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
                  <br>
                  Kindest regards,<br>
                  <br>
                  Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 15/10/2024 10:56, Olivier MJ
                    Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
                    Ilona,<br>
                    <br>
                    thank you for your email dated 10 October 2024.<br>
                    <br>
                    I am disappointed to note that you have still not
                    provided a response with the information requested
                    in my emails appended in the email thread below. You
                    will note the extract below from my email dated 8
                    October 2024:
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    QUOTE: <br>
                    "Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal
                      documents, including agreements, have been put in
                      place to respect the separate nature of the two
                      organizations.</i><br>
                    <br>
                    All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is
                    not possible, even in a redacted manner, for
                    whatever reason, then please provide a list of the
                    agreements to which you refer, including the date of
                    the agreement, the name of the agreement, the
                    signatory parties, and a brief description of each
                    agreement."<br>
                    <br>
                    I reiterate this request and would be grateful if
                    you could provide the information requested without
                    further delay.
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    I very much appreciate (and draw your attention to)
                    the input and support for this information request
                    from my fellow "Chapter Delegates".
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    As a reminder, in U.S. company law, a "supporting
                    organisation" and a "merged organisation" are not
                    legally the same.<br>
                    <br>
                    I am pleased that we all appear to agree that the
                    Internet Society Foundation is formally a "Section
                    509(a)(3) Supporting Organisation" under United
                    States Non Profit Tax Law.
                    <br>
                    The information from the IRS links below provide
                    helpful "Official Guidance":<br>
                    <br>
                    <a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
                    <a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
                    <br>
                    I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
                    <br>
                    Kindest regards,<br>
                    <br>
                    Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/2024 17:04, Ilona
                      Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote
                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi
                        Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank
                        you for your follow up email. I think the use of
                        the term "outsourcing" in the email below might
                        have caused some confusion.  You mentioned you
                        are familiar with the “supporting organizations”
                        and how they operate, but it might also be
                        helpful for me to provide some additional
                        background for others.<br>
                        <br>
                        As you know, the relationship between supporting
                        and supported organizations is not a vendor or
                        contractor relationship. Though the Foundation
                        is a separate corporation, it is a controlled
                        subsidiary of ISOC, not a third-party service
                        provider or outside contractor.  So ISOC is not
                        “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead, the
                        two entities cooperate to achieve the mission of
                        the Internet Society.  In other words, as a
                        supporting organization, the Foundation’s
                        purpose is to operate for the benefit of, and to
                        support, ISOC. In furtherance of that
                        purpose, the Foundation conducts programs and
                        activities that benefit ISOC and furthers ISOC’s
                        mission. For example, the Foundation engages
                        in communications activities at the direction of
                        and to the benefit of ISOC.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As
                        you also know based on your extensive experience
                        with nonprofits, the Internet Society Board
                        develops the overall strategy for ISOC. Internet
                        Society management then develops its action plan
                        and in turn, works with the Foundation to ensure
                        that it, as a supporting organization, provides
                        the support necessary to achieve ISOC’s goals.
                        The Foundation does that through its own action
                        plan, which sets out objectives for all of its
                        functions, including the communications
                        function.  So the Board sets the strategy,
                        Internet Society management creates the action
                        plans, and the Foundation management allocates
                        resources to support those plans as necessary.
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After
                        the approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC will
                        share them with the community.  As discussed
                        earlier, part of that will be Chris presenting
                        to this community how the communications group
                        will be tackling its work in the upcoming year.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
                        regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
                          </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
                          MJ Crépin-Leblond
                          <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                          <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47
                          AM<br>
                          <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
                            href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
                          Ted IETF
                          <a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
                          <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
                          Sally Wentworth
                          <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                          <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
                          Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
                      Ilona,<br>
                      <br>
                      Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding
                      the definition of the relationship between the
                      Internet Society and the Internet Society
                      Foundation, in the absence of your response, I
                      wish to reiterate the need for a clear outsourcing
                      agreement between these entities. It is recognised
                      as good business practice internationally to
                      establish such agreements to delineate respective
                      liabilities in the execution of these contracts.<br>
                      <br>
                      Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal
                        documents, including agreements, have been put
                        in place to respect the separate nature of the
                        two organizations.</i>"<br>
                      <br>
                      All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that
                      is not possible, even in a redacted manner, for
                      whatever reason, then please provide a list of the
                      agreements to which you refer, including the date
                      of the agreement, the name of the agreement, the
                      signatory parties, and a brief description of each
                      agreement.<br>
                      <br>
                      Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
                      <br>
                      Kindest regards,<br>
                      <br>
                      Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier
                        MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote
                      style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ilona,<br>
                        <br>
                        Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
                        <br>
                        The thread may not have come all through. During
                        the Chapter Advisory Council call, Ted mentioned
                        the transfer of some responsibilities in
                        relation to Communications from the Internet
                        Society to the Internet Society Foundation. My
                        initial question to Ted was in regards to the
                        outsourcing agreement as follows:<br>
                        <br>
                        <i>"I was previously unaware of this change.
                          Although the Internet Society Foundation may
                          have been designated by the Internet Society
                          as a "supporting organisation" of the Internet
                          Society, it remains a distinct and separate
                          legal entity. Therefore, I assume that any
                          "outsourcing" of responsibilities such as
                          Marketing and/or Communications would be
                          defined in a written "contract for services"
                          between the Parties setting out (inter-alia)
                          the terms, rights, and obligations of each
                          Party. Could you please provide the terms for
                          such an agreement and any limitations therein?<br>
                          <br>
                          My principal concern lies in distinguishing
                          between executing the Communications Plan and
                          drafting the Communications Plan. These are
                          fundamentally different tasks and would
                          undoubtedly be included in the "contract for
                          services"".</i>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        The top level responsibility of the strategy of
                        the Internet Society remains within the Internet
                        Society. I find it surprising that an
                        outsourcing entity would be able to dictate that
                        strategy without it being agreed by the Internet
                        Society itself.<br>
                        The Internet Society has the opportunity to
                        outsource the execution of its Communications
                        Plan to a supporting organisation on the basis
                        of terms and conditions agreed between the
                        parties. This requires outsourcing agreement(s)
                        in order to know where the boundaries and
                        responsibilities are between the two
                        organisations, including their respective
                        liabilities in the execution of these
                        agreement(s).<br>
                        <br>
                        For example: <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <h3
style="mso-margin-top-alt:9.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;background:white">
                        <span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#111111">Key
                          Components of an Outsourcing Communications
                          Agreement</span><o:p></o:p></h3>
                      <ol
style="margin-top:0in;display:flex;flex-direction: column;gap: 12px;padding-inline-start: 24px;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: 2;text-align:start;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial;text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing:0px"
                        start="1" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Introduction
                              and Definitions</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Clearly
                              define the parties involved.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Provide
                              definitions for key terms used throughout
                              the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Scope
                              of Services</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="2" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Detail the
                              specific services to be outsourced.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                              service level agreements (SLAs) to set
                              performance standards.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Term
                              and Termination</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="3" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the
                              duration of the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline
                              conditions for termination by either
                              party.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Pricing
                              and Payment Terms</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="4" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the
                              pricing structure and payment schedule.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include any
                              penalties for late payments or performance
                              failures.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Confidentiality
                              and Data Protection</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="5" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Ensure
                              compliance with data protection laws.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                              confidentiality clauses to protect
                              sensitive information.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Intellectual
                              Property Rights</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="6" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Clarify the
                              ownership of any intellectual property
                              created during the agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Warranties
                              and Liability</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="7" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline the
                              warranties provided by the service
                              provider.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the
                              liability limits for both parties.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="8" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Monitoring
                              and Reporting</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="8" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Establish
                              how performance will be monitored and
                              reported.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                              provisions for regular review meetings.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="9" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Dispute
                              Resolution</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="9" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the
                              process for resolving disputes.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                              mediation or arbitration clauses if
                              applicable.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="10" type="1">
                        <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white">
                          <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Exit
                              Management</span></strong><span
                            style="font-family:Roboto">:</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <ol start="10" type="1">
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Plan for
                              the transition of services back to the
                              company or to another provider.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                            <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                              provisions for the transfer of data and
                              assets.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ol>
                      </ol>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                        <br>
                        I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal
                        documents, including agreements, have been put
                        in place to respect the separate nature of the
                        two organizations."<br>
                        Thus I would be interested in its details as
                        explained in my email.<br>
                        <br>
                        Kindest regards,<br>
                        <br>
                        Olivier<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona
                          Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote
                        style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt">I understand that
                            the nature of your request is to assist the
                            Chapters Advisory Council and Chris Locke in
                            preparation to his session on the
                            communication plan. The agreement in place
                            since 2018 between the Foundation and
                            Internet Society focuses on the legal
                            obligations in line with the Foundation's
                            role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore, won’t be
                            useful for that purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
                              </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
                              MJ Crépin-Leblond
                              <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                              <b>Date: </b>Sunday, September 22, 2024
                              at 8:52 AM<br>
                              <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
                                href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
                              Ted IETF
                              <a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
                              <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
                              Sally Wentworth
                              <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                              <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
                              Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September
                              2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ilona,<br>
                          <br>
                          thank you for clarifying that all necessary
                          legal documents, including agreements, have
                          been duly executed to respect the separate
                          nature of the two organisations.<br>
                          <br>
                          I am aware of the publication of the original
                          IETF Administration LLC agreements with the
                          Internet Society, specifically:<br>
                          <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
                            Agreement (2020)</a><br>
                          <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
                            Agreement Amendment (2020)</a><br>
                          <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding
                            Agreement Amended and Restated (2024)</a><br>
                          <br>
                          These documents are accessible on the IETF
                          Administration LLC’s website at <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
                          <br>
                          Could you kindly confirm whether the
                          agreements between the Foundation and the
                          Internet Society are also publicly available?
                          I have been unable to locate them on either
                          website.<br>
                          <br>
                          I would appreciate it if you could provide a
                          list of the agreements to which you refer,
                          including the date of the agreement, the name
                          of the agreement, the signatory parties, and a
                          brief description of each agreement.<br>
                          <br>
                          I look forward to your kind response.<br>
                          <br>
                          Kindest regards,<br>
                          <br>
                          Olivier<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 19:48,
                            Ilona Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote
                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Olivier, thank
                              you for your follow up email.  You noted
                              that you are aware of the tax requirements
                              that apply to supporting organizations. 
                              Mainly, those requirements relate to
                              supporting the mission of its supported
                              entities.  In this case, the Internet
                              Society.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">As part of that
                              support, the Foundation provides grants to
                              other organizations that have missions
                              consistent with the Internet Society’s in
                              order to fund programs that further the
                              Internet Society’s purposes. The
                              Foundation also engages in activities that
                              support Internet Society directly. For
                              example, the Foundation engages in
                              fundraising and communication activities
                              for the benefit of the Internet Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">As you also
                              pointed out, the Foundation is a separate
                              legal entity.  It is a controlled
                              subsidiary of Internet Society.  All
                              necessary legal documents, including
                              agreements, have been put in place to
                              respect the separate nature of the two
                              organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">I trust this
                              answers your question.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white">Ilona
                                    Levine,</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white"> SVP,
                                  General Counsel and Corporate
                                  Secretary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white"><a
                                    href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                                    title="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:#0563C1">levine@isoc.org</span></a>|
                                </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C"><br>
                                  <span style="background:white">internetsociety.org
                                    | @internetsociety</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:13.5pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red"><a
                                    href="https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    title="https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;color:red">Donate
                                      today.</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:13.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;color:red">Help
                                    protect the Internet for everyone.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
                                </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
                                MJ Crépin-Leblond
                                <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                                <b>Date: </b>Friday, September 20, 2024
                                at 11:38 AM<br>
                                <b>To: </b>Ted IETF <a
                                  href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>,
                                Ilona Levine
                                <a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
                                <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
                                Sally Wentworth
                                <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                                <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on
                                Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of 17
                                September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ted,<br>
                            <br>
                            thank you for your follow-up on this matter.
                            I am aware of the special tax terms in
                            relation to "supporting organisations".
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            That being said, the Internet Society
                            Foundation is a distinct and separate legal
                            entity to the Internet Society, irrespective
                            of the relationship between them. As a
                            result, any outsourcing task undertaken by
                            one, for the other entity, would be defined
                            in a contract, whether written, verbal or
                            otherwise. If not, there is a lack of
                            clarity and expectations about the
                            relationship, which brings potential
                            liability and risk that both entities are
                            subjected to, in relation to the other's
                            actions. Any lawyer would tell you that it
                            is highly advisable to have a written
                            contract, if only for legal protection.<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks for letting me know that you are
                            travelling. I am copying President and CEO
                            Sally Wentworth in case you're unavailable
                            for a length of time.<br>
                            <br>
                            Kindest regards,<br>
                            <br>
                            Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 13:12,
                              Ted Hardie wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Olivier,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">A supporting
                                    organization is a term of art in US
                                    tax law, please see:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Explaining how
                                      the two relate is complicated
                                      enough that there are legal briefs
                                      on it; I have cc'ed the Society's
                                      chief counsel in case you would
                                      like that level of detail.  The
                                      summary, however, is that a
                                      supporting organization is a
                                      charity because it supports the
                                      charitable purpose of the main
                                      organization.  As a result, it can
                                      provide services to the main
                                      organization under the special tax
                                      rules noted above.
                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Note that I am
                                      traveling and will generally be
                                      slow to respond for a few days,
                                      but hopefully the links above will
                                      get you started and Ilona can
                                      provide more detailed legal
                                      information as needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Ted Hardie<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 20,
                                    2024 at 6:24<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Olivier MJ
                                    Crépin-Leblond <<a
                                      href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ocl@gih.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ted, <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        During this week’s Chapters
                                        Advisory Council call, you
                                        mentioned that the Internet
                                        Society Foundation, as a
                                        "supporting organisation" of the
                                        Internet Society, is managing
                                        the communications department
                                        for the Internet Society.
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                                        Upon seeking clarification, you
                                        explained that the Internet
                                        Society Foundation comprises two
                                        elements: one philanthropic
                                        (grant-making) and the other as
                                        a "supporting organisation" of
                                        the Internet Society. "This
                                        implies that many of the
                                        supporting functions for the
                                        Internet Society as a whole are
                                        now part of the Foundation,
                                        primarily because the Foundation
                                        can provide these services to
                                        the Internet Society at no
                                        cost".<br>
                                        <br>
                                        You further elaborated that this
                                        "arrangement" allows the
                                        Internet Society to allocate its
                                        budget more effectively.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I was previously unaware of this
                                        change. Although the Internet
                                        Society Foundation may have been
                                        designated by the Internet
                                        Society as a "supporting
                                        organisation" of the Internet
                                        Society, it remains a distinct
                                        and separate legal entity.
                                        Therefore, I assume that any
                                        "outsourcing" of
                                        responsibilities such as
                                        Marketing and/or Communications
                                        would be defined in a written
                                        "contract for services" between
                                        the Parties setting out
                                        (inter-alia) the terms, rights,
                                        and obligations of each Party.
                                        Could you please provide the
                                        terms for such an agreement and
                                        any limitations therein?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        My principal concern lies in
                                        distinguishing between executing
                                        the Communications Plan and
                                        drafting the Communications
                                        Plan. These are fundamentally
                                        different tasks and would
                                        undoubtedly be included in the
                                        "contract for services".
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        The "contract for services"
                                        (together with any relevant
                                        supporting information) will be
                                        helpful input for both the
                                        Chapters Advisory Council and
                                        also for Chris Locke and his
                                        Team (including for the current
                                        "branding" presentations) in
                                        preparation for the promised
                                        session from Chris Locke to the
                                        Chapters Advisory Council. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        I look forward to your response
                                        and to receiving a copy of the
                                        "contract for services"
                                        agreement, together with any
                                        relevant supporting information
                                        as requested above.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Kindest regards,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
                  As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
                  automatically subscribed<br>
                  to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the
                  Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.internetsociety.org">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>.<br>
                  -<br>
                  View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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