<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Olivier,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The context of our prior discussion was the role of supporting organizations; my point was that the IETF Trust was not a supporting organization in the legal sense, nor is its successor intended to be.  As the Trustees were formerly seated ex officio (I served when I was chair of the Internet Architecture Board), there has indeed long been a high overlap in membership with other bodies and, of course, a high overlap in interests.  This does not imply control, just a recognition of shared interest.  A parallel here might be the IAB sending a delegate to the ICANN NomCom; that also doesn't imply that the IAB is part of ICANN, just recognized to be a good source of insight into who might serve well.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">You will see in the trust's historical finances records of donations that did not come from ISOC or the IETF LLC.  I believe Google was one of the donors, and Vint may be able to confirm that.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">If you would like to hear more about the Trust, the new organization, and their work, I would be happy to invite their chair to give a talk to the ChAC.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Ted Hardie<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:04 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

  
    
  
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    Dear Ted,<br>
    <br>
    thanks for your kind response.<br>
    <br>
    I am glad that you touch on the IETF Intellectual Property
    Management Corporation since you very rightly explain its creation
    as a "successor" of the initial settlors of the IETF Trustees which
    were the Internet Society and CNRI. Both of these organisations
    provided their patronage to inspire the Trust needed in a Trustee
    organisation whose strategic importance is such that it holds the
    Intellectual Property for a range of Internet critical functions.<br>
    <br>
    The IETF Intellectual Property Management Corporation might be
    operationally independent but structurally the majority of its Board
    is selected by the IETF NomCom and at least one of its Board members
    must be selected by the IESG and one by the Internet Society and it
    cannot make unilateral decisions without the agreement of both the
    IESG and the Internet Society selected Board members.<br>
    Furthermore, it is, at present, funded by the Internet Society
    "endowed" by the monies received from "Public Interest Registry". <br>
    <br>
    As of 2013, the annual financial needs of the IETF Trust were
    approximately $40 000 per year, fully paid by the Internet Society.
    This remained so until the 2023 Budget. Conversely, the budget
    experienced significant growth in 2024, reaching an approximate
    value of $260 000 per annum, fully paid by the Internet Society,
    since the functions were transferred from a Virginia Trust to a
    non-for-profit Delaware Corporation. <br>
    <br>
    Therefore, despite your allegations of "independence", the IETF
    Intellectual Property Management Corporation is both directly
    dependent on the IETF, IESG and Internet Society for the selection
    of its Board and financially dependent on funding from the Internet
    Society.<br>
    <br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 28/10/2024 13:47, Ted Hardie wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Olivier,</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The  IETF
          Intellectual Property Management Corporation is not, in fact,
          part of the Internet Society nor is it directly part of the
          IETF.  It's a successor organization to the Trust set up by
          this document:  <a href="https://trustee.ietf.org/wp-content/uploads/IETFtrustAgreement20051208.pdf" target="_blank">https://trustee.ietf.org/wp-content/uploads/IETFtrustAgreement20051208.pdf</a>. 
          The initial settlors included the Internet Society and CNRI,
          but it had independent trustees from the beginning.  It later
          became the home of the IPR related to IANA, as part of the
          transition described herre: <a href="https://www.ianacg.org/icg-files/documents/IANA-transition-proposal-final.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.ianacg.org/icg-files/documents/IANA-transition-proposal-final.pdf</a>
          and noted in the Trust's site here: <a href="https://trustee.ietf.org/iana-ipr/" target="_blank">https://trustee.ietf.org/iana-ipr/</a>.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The
          relationship among these different organizations does evolve. 
          The new corporation was set up because certain aspects of the
          Trust had become burdensome to maintain.  Those changes did
          not, however, change its independence.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I realize
          that navigating the history and legal structures can be
          confusing, but we luckily have lawyers to help.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">regards,</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Ted Hardie<br>
        </div>
        <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at
          12:40 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div> Dear Vint,<br>
            <br>
            there are several organisations directly linked to the
            Internet Society (the "supported organisation"). Let me take
            a few as an example:<br>
            <br>
            - IETF Administration LLC<br>
            As a disregarded entity of the Internet Society, it does NOT
            file its own Form 990. In this case, even though it has
            distinct Board and a different CEO and leadership, its Form
            990 filing takes place under the Internet Society.<br>
            Even though by this virtue it is fiscally "closer" to the
            Internet Society than the other organisations in the
            Internet Society ecosystem, it has exactly the sort of
            documents that it needs to have to show its relationship
            with the Internet Society - with all documents publicly
            available on: <a href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a><br>
            <br>
            - IETF Intellectual Property Management Corporation<br>
            Its founding documents are all listed in:<br>
            <a href="https://trustee.ietf.org/documents/founding-documents/" target="_blank">https://trustee.ietf.org/documents/founding-documents/</a><br>
            All publicly available.<br>
            <br>
            I gather that since this is a fairly recent organisation,
            its relationship with the IETF is being formalised.<br>
            This organisation has its own IRS Tax Exempt status and thus
            its own Form 990 to file yearly.<br>
            <br>
            - ISOC Foundation (the "supporting organisation")<br>
            This has its own Form 990.<br>
            <a href="https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/823285688" target="_blank">https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/823285688</a><br>
            <br>
            This is a different Form 990 than the Internet Society Form
            990.<br>
            <a href="https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/541650477" target="_blank">https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/541650477</a><br>
            <br>
            So different Form 990. Two different organisations, one
            supporting, one supported.<br>
            All I am asking are the contracts, which are available for
            all the other entities within the Internet Society
            ecosystem, but not, it appears, for the Internet Society
            Foundation.<br>
            <br>
            Kindest regards,<br>
            <br>
            Olivier<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div>On 28/10/2024 04:58, vinton cerf via Chapter-delegates
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">as I
                  understand them, supporting organizations have a very
                  specific relationship to the organizations they
                  support. They can have distinct boards but I think the
                  990 for the supporting organization roles up into the
                  supported organization. The supported organization has
                  considerable "say" in how the funds are used in
                  support of the programs of the supported organization.
                  I sat on the Board of the the American Institute for
                  Physics Foundation which is a supporting organization
                  of the American Institute for Physics. Here is more
                  detail from the US IRS:</div>
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a></div>
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">vint</div>
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 27, 2024
                  at 8:27 PM Judith Hellerstein via Chapter-delegates
                  <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="auto">
                    <div dir="ltr">Hi Ilona,
                      <div>In Chris’s response there were no documents
                        sent. He just talked about the communications
                        plan.  What Olivier is seeking is documents that
                        set out the rules for engagement between the
                        foundation and the ISOC HQ </div>
                      <div>As Olivier states, <span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Supporting
                          Organisation and the Supported Organisation is
                          formalised by a set of service agreements
                          since the two organisations remain legally
                          distinct.</span></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3">It is
                          these documents we are seeking.  We are not
                          seeking the communications plan but these
                          specific legal documents that are connecting
                          the two groups.  </font></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3">I
                          have not seen these either neither in your
                          emails or in Chris’s and so I support
                          Olivier’s request</font></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3">Best,</font></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3">Judith
                          Hellerstein</font></div>
                      <div><font face="Aptos, sans-serif" size="3">Chapter
                          Advisory Representative from ISOC DC<br>
                        </font>
                        <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad<span style="font-size:13pt"> </span>
                          <div><span style="font-size:13pt"><a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a> </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:13pt">Skype
                              ID:JudithHellerstein</span></div>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">On Oct 27, 2024, at
                            11:28 AM, Ilona Levine via Chapter-delegates
                            <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hello Olivier,</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">To address your
                                  concern that you have not received any
                                  response from me on the matters you
                                  have raised, I refer you to the emails
                                  dated 20 September, 23 September, and
                                  10 October. They contain information
                                  necessary to assist you and ChAC, if
                                  needed, in the meeting with Chris next
                                  week.</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best,</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Ilona</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Olivier MJ
                                    Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>><br>
                                    <b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 24,
                                    2024 at 10:24 AM<br>
                                    <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <<a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" target="_blank">levine@isoc.org</a>>,
                                    Ted IETF <<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com" target="_blank">ted.ietf@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                    <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <<a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>,
                                    Sally Wentworth <<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org" target="_blank">wentworth@isoc.org</a>><br>
                                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on
                                    Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of
                                    17 September 2024</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Dear Ilona,<br>
                                <br>
                                referring to my email below, I note with
                                concern that I appear to have not
                                received any response from you on the
                                matters I raised. Having mentioned in
                                your email dated 8 October 2024 that "<i>All
                                  necessary legal documents, including
                                  agreements, have been put in place to
                                  respect the separate nature of the two
                                  organizations." </i>, I am yet to
                                have seen any of these documents which
                                you mentioned. Please be so kind to
                                share them or if this is not possible,
                                even in a redacted manner, then please
                                provide a list of the agreements to
                                which you refer, including the date of
                                the agreement, the name of the
                                agreement, the signatory parties, and a
                                brief description of each agreement.<br>
                                <br>
                                I reiterate the differentiation between
                                a "supporting organisation" and a
                                "merged organisation", which are not
                                legally the same. Supporting
                                organisations require, under Company
                                Law, that the link between the
                                Supporting Organisation and the
                                Supported Organisation is formalised by
                                a set of service agreements since the
                                two organisations remain legally
                                distinct.<br>
                                <br>
                                I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
                                <br>
                                Kindest regards,<br>
                                <br>
                                Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
                                <br>
                              </p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">On 15/10/2024
                                  10:56, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
                                  wrote:</p>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Dear Ilona,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  thank you for your email dated 10
                                  October 2024.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I am disappointed to note that you
                                  have still not provided a response
                                  with the information requested in my
                                  emails appended in the email thread
                                  below. You will note the extract below
                                  from my email dated 8 October 2024: <br>
                                  <br>
                                  QUOTE: <br>
                                  "Responding to your note: "<i>All
                                    necessary legal documents, including
                                    agreements, have been put in place
                                    to respect the separate nature of
                                    the two organizations.</i><br>
                                  <br>
                                  All I am asking is for them to be
                                  shared. If that is not possible, even
                                  in a redacted manner, for whatever
                                  reason, then please provide a list of
                                  the agreements to which you refer,
                                  including the date of the agreement,
                                  the name of the agreement, the
                                  signatory parties, and a brief
                                  description of each agreement."<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I reiterate this request and would be
                                  grateful if you could provide the
                                  information requested without further
                                  delay. <br>
                                  <br>
                                  I very much appreciate (and draw your
                                  attention to) the input and support
                                  for this information request from my
                                  fellow "Chapter Delegates". <br>
                                  <br>
                                  As a reminder, in U.S. company law, a
                                  "supporting organisation" and a
                                  "merged organisation" are not legally
                                  the same.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I am pleased that we all appear to
                                  agree that the Internet Society
                                  Foundation is formally a "Section
                                  509(a)(3) Supporting Organisation"
                                  under United States Non Profit Tax
                                  Law. <br>
                                  The information from the IRS links
                                  below provide helpful "Official
                                  Guidance":<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
                                  <a href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  I look forward to your prompt
                                  response.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Kindest regards,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
                                  <br>
                                </p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/10/2024
                                    17:04, Ilona Levine wrote:</p>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi Olivier,</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thank you
                                      for your follow up email. I think
                                      the use of the term "outsourcing"
                                      in the email below might have
                                      caused some confusion.  You
                                      mentioned you are familiar with
                                      the “supporting organizations” and
                                      how they operate, but it might
                                      also be helpful for me to provide
                                      some additional background for
                                      others.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      As you know, the relationship
                                      between supporting and supported
                                      organizations is not a vendor or
                                      contractor relationship. Though
                                      the Foundation is a separate
                                      corporation, it is a controlled
                                      subsidiary of ISOC, not a
                                      third-party service provider or
                                      outside contractor.  So ISOC is
                                      not “outsourcing” to the
                                      Foundation but instead, the two
                                      entities cooperate to achieve the
                                      mission of the Internet Society. 
                                      In other words, as a supporting
                                      organization, the Foundation’s
                                      purpose is to operate for the
                                      benefit of, and to support, ISOC.
                                      In furtherance of that
                                      purpose, the Foundation conducts
                                      programs and activities that
                                      benefit ISOC and furthers ISOC’s
                                      mission. For example, the
                                      Foundation engages
                                      in communications activities at
                                      the direction of and to the
                                      benefit of ISOC.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                    </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">As you also
                                      know based on your extensive
                                      experience with nonprofits, the
                                      Internet Society Board develops
                                      the overall strategy for
                                      ISOC. Internet Society management
                                      then develops its action plan and
                                      in turn, works with the Foundation
                                      to ensure that it, as a
                                      supporting organization, provides
                                      the support necessary to achieve
                                      ISOC’s goals. The Foundation does
                                      that through its own action plan,
                                      which sets out objectives for all
                                      of its functions, including
                                      the communications function.  So
                                      the Board sets the strategy,
                                      Internet Society management
                                      creates the action plans, and the
                                      Foundation management allocates
                                      resources to support those plans
                                      as necessary. </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">After the
                                      approval of the 2025 action plans,
                                      ISOC will share them with the
                                      community.  As discussed earlier,
                                      part of that will be Chris
                                      presenting to this community how
                                      the communications group will be
                                      tackling its work in the upcoming
                                      year.</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best
                                      regards,</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Ilona </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Olivier MJ
                                        Crépin-Leblond <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                                        <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October
                                        8, 2024 at 8:47 AM<br>
                                        <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" target="_blank"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
                                        Ted IETF <a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com" target="_blank"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
                                        <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
                                        Sally Wentworth <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org" target="_blank"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                                        <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up
                                        on Chapters Advisory Council
                                        Meeting of 17 September 2024</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Dear
                                    Ilona,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Further to our discussion two weeks
                                    ago regarding the definition of the
                                    relationship between the Internet
                                    Society and the Internet Society
                                    Foundation, in the absence of your
                                    response, I wish to reiterate the
                                    need for a clear outsourcing
                                    agreement between these entities. It
                                    is recognised as good business
                                    practice internationally to
                                    establish such agreements to
                                    delineate respective liabilities in
                                    the execution of these contracts.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Responding to your note: "<i>All
                                      necessary legal documents,
                                      including agreements, have been
                                      put in place to respect the
                                      separate nature of the two
                                      organizations.</i>"<br>
                                    <br>
                                    All I am asking is for them to be
                                    shared. If that is not possible,
                                    even in a redacted manner, for
                                    whatever reason, then please provide
                                    a list of the agreements to which
                                    you refer, including the date of the
                                    agreement, the name of the
                                    agreement, the signatory parties,
                                    and a brief description of each
                                    agreement.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Looking forward to your prompt
                                    response.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Kindest regards,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                  </p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 24/09/2024
                                      17:22, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
                                      wrote:</p>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ilona,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      The thread may not have come all
                                      through. During the Chapter
                                      Advisory Council call, Ted
                                      mentioned the transfer of some
                                      responsibilities in relation to
                                      Communications from the Internet
                                      Society to the Internet Society
                                      Foundation. My initial question to
                                      Ted was in regards to the
                                      outsourcing agreement as follows:<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <i>"I was previously unaware of
                                        this change. Although the
                                        Internet Society Foundation may
                                        have been designated by the
                                        Internet Society as a
                                        "supporting organisation" of the
                                        Internet Society, it remains a
                                        distinct and separate legal
                                        entity. Therefore, I assume that
                                        any "outsourcing" of
                                        responsibilities such as
                                        Marketing and/or Communications
                                        would be defined in a written
                                        "contract for services" between
                                        the Parties setting out
                                        (inter-alia) the terms, rights,
                                        and obligations of each Party.
                                        Could you please provide the
                                        terms for such an agreement and
                                        any limitations therein?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        My principal concern lies in
                                        distinguishing between executing
                                        the Communications Plan and
                                        drafting the Communications
                                        Plan. These are fundamentally
                                        different tasks and would
                                        undoubtedly be included in the
                                        "contract for services"".</i> <br>
                                      <br>
                                      The top level responsibility of
                                      the strategy of the Internet
                                      Society remains within the
                                      Internet Society. I find it
                                      surprising that an outsourcing
                                      entity would be able to dictate
                                      that strategy without it being
                                      agreed by the Internet Society
                                      itself.<br>
                                      The Internet Society has the
                                      opportunity to outsource the
                                      execution of its Communications
                                      Plan to a supporting organisation
                                      on the basis of terms and
                                      conditions agreed between the
                                      parties. This requires outsourcing
                                      agreement(s) in order to know
                                      where the boundaries and
                                      responsibilities are between the
                                      two organisations, including their
                                      respective liabilities in the
                                      execution of these agreement(s).<br>
                                      <br>
                                      For example: <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                    </p>
                                    <h3 style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;background:white">
                                      <span style="font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(17,17,17)">Key Components of an
                                        Outsourcing Communications
                                        Agreement</span></h3>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in;display:flex;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px" start="1" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Introduction
                                            and Definitions</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="1" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Clearly
                                            define the parties involved.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Provide
                                            definitions for key terms
                                            used throughout the
                                            agreement.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Scope
                                            of Services</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="2" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Detail
                                            the specific services to be
                                            outsourced.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                                            service level agreements
                                            (SLAs) to set performance
                                            standards.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Term
                                            and Termination</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="3" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify
                                            the duration of the
                                            agreement.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline
                                            conditions for termination
                                            by either party.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Pricing
                                            and Payment Terms</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="4" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Define
                                            the pricing structure and
                                            payment schedule.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                                            any penalties for late
                                            payments or performance
                                            failures.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Confidentiality
                                            and Data Protection</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="5" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Ensure
                                            compliance with data
                                            protection laws.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                                            confidentiality clauses to
                                            protect sensitive
                                            information.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Intellectual
                                            Property Rights</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="6" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Clarify
                                            the ownership of any
                                            intellectual property
                                            created during the
                                            agreement.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Warranties
                                            and Liability</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="7" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline
                                            the warranties provided by
                                            the service provider.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Define
                                            the liability limits for
                                            both parties.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="8" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Monitoring
                                            and Reporting</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="8" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Establish
                                            how performance will be
                                            monitored and reported.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                                            provisions for regular
                                            review meetings.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="9" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Dispute
                                            Resolution</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="9" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify
                                            the process for resolving
                                            disputes.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                                            mediation or arbitration
                                            clauses if applicable.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="10" type="1">
                                      <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Exit
                                            Management</span></strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">:</span></li>
                                    </ol>
                                    <ol start="10" type="1">
                                      <ol start="1" type="1">
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Plan
                                            for the transition of
                                            services back to the company
                                            or to another provider.</span></li>
                                        <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(17,17,17);background:white"> <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
                                            provisions for the transfer
                                            of data and assets.</span></li>
                                      </ol>
                                    </ol>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      I trust that you mentioned: "All
                                      necessary legal documents,
                                      including agreements, have been
                                      put in place to respect the
                                      separate nature of the two
                                      organizations."<br>
                                      Thus I would be interested in its
                                      details as explained in my email.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Kindest regards,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Olivier<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                    </p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 23/09/2024
                                        18:36, Ilona Levine wrote:</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dear
                                          Olivier,</span></p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I
                                          understand that the nature of
                                          your request is to assist the
                                          Chapters Advisory Council and
                                          Chris Locke in preparation to
                                          his session on the
                                          communication plan. The
                                          agreement in place since 2018
                                          between the Foundation and
                                          Internet Society focuses on
                                          the legal obligations in line
                                          with the Foundation's role as
                                          a 509(a)(3) and therefore,
                                          won’t be useful for that
                                          purpose.</span></p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best
                                          regards,</span></p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Ilona</span></p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                      <div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Olivier MJ
                                            Crépin-Leblond <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                                            <b>Date: </b>Sunday,
                                            September 22, 2024 at 8:52
                                            AM<br>
                                            <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" target="_blank"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
                                            Ted IETF <a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com" target="_blank"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
                                            <b>Cc: </b>Chapter
                                            Delegates <a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
                                            Sally Wentworth <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org" target="_blank"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                                            <b>Subject: </b>Re:
                                            Follow-up on Chapters
                                            Advisory Council Meeting of
                                            17 September 2024</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                      </div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Dear
                                        Ilona,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        thank you for clarifying that
                                        all necessary legal documents,
                                        including agreements, have been
                                        duly executed to respect the
                                        separate nature of the two
                                        organisations.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I am aware of the publication of
                                        the original IETF Administration
                                        LLC agreements with the Internet
                                        Society, specifically:<br>
                                        <a href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf" target="_blank">IETF-ISOC
                                          Funding Agreement (2020)</a><br>
                                        <a href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf" target="_blank">IETF-ISOC
                                          Funding Agreement Amendment
                                          (2020)</a><br>
                                        <a href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf" target="_blank">IETF-ISOC
                                          Funding Agreement Amended and
                                          Restated (2024)</a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        These documents are accessible
                                        on the IETF Administration LLC’s
                                        website at <a href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/" target="_blank">
https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Could you kindly confirm whether
                                        the agreements between the
                                        Foundation and the Internet
                                        Society are also publicly
                                        available? I have been unable to
                                        locate them on either website.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I would appreciate it if you
                                        could provide a list of the
                                        agreements to which you refer,
                                        including the date of the
                                        agreement, the name of the
                                        agreement, the signatory
                                        parties, and a brief description
                                        of each agreement.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I look forward to your kind
                                        response.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Kindest regards,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Olivier<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </p>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                          20/09/2024 19:48, Ilona Levine
                                          wrote:</p>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi
                                            Olivier, thank you for your
                                            follow up email.  You noted
                                            that you are aware of the
                                            tax requirements that apply
                                            to supporting
                                            organizations.  Mainly,
                                            those requirements relate to
                                            supporting the mission of
                                            its supported entities.  In
                                            this case, the Internet
                                            Society.  </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">As
                                            part of that support, the
                                            Foundation provides grants
                                            to other organizations that
                                            have missions consistent
                                            with the Internet Society’s
                                            in order to fund programs
                                            that further the Internet
                                            Society’s purposes. The
                                            Foundation also engages in
                                            activities that support
                                            Internet Society directly.
                                            For example, the Foundation
                                            engages in fundraising and
                                            communication activities for
                                            the benefit of the Internet
                                            Society.</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">As
                                            you also pointed out, the
                                            Foundation is a separate
                                            legal entity.  It is a
                                            controlled subsidiary of
                                            Internet Society.  All
                                            necessary legal documents,
                                            including agreements, have
                                            been put in place to respect
                                            the separate nature of the
                                            two organizations.</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I
                                            trust this answers your
                                            question.</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best
                                            regards,</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Ilona</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:rgb(12,28,44);background:white">Ilona
                                                  Levine,</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:rgb(12,28,44);background:white"> SVP,
                                                General Counsel and
                                                Corporate Secretary</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:rgb(12,28,44);background:white"><a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" title="mailto:levine@isoc.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">levine@isoc.org</span></a>| </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:rgb(12,28,44)"><br>
                                                <span style="background:white"><a href="http://internetsociety.org" target="_blank">internetsociety.org</a> | @internetsociety</span></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:red"><a href="https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ" title="https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;color:red">Donate
                                                    today.</span></a></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;color:red">Help
                                                  protect the Internet
                                                  for everyone.</span></b></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
                                            <div><image002.png></div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">This
                                                communication is the
                                                property of the Internet
                                                Society and may contain
                                                confidential or
                                                privileged information. 
                                                Unauthorized use of this
                                                communication is
                                                strictly prohibited.  If
                                                you have received it in
                                                error, please notify the
                                                sender by reply e-mail
                                                and destroy all copies
                                                of the communication and
                                                any attachments.</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
                                        <div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Olivier MJ
                                              Crépin-Leblond <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                                              <b>Date: </b>Friday,
                                              September 20, 2024 at
                                              11:38 AM<br>
                                              <b>To: </b>Ted IETF <a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com" target="_blank"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>,
                                              Ilona Levine <a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" target="_blank"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
                                              <b>Cc: </b>Chapter
                                              Delegates <a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
                                              Sally Wentworth <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org" target="_blank"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                                              <b>Subject: </b>Re:
                                              Follow-up on Chapters
                                              Advisory Council Meeting
                                              of 17 September 2024</span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Dear
                                          Ted,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          thank you for your follow-up
                                          on this matter. I am aware of
                                          the special tax terms in
                                          relation to "supporting
                                          organisations". <br>
                                          <br>
                                          That being said, the Internet
                                          Society Foundation is a
                                          distinct and separate legal
                                          entity to the Internet
                                          Society, irrespective of the
                                          relationship between them. As
                                          a result, any outsourcing task
                                          undertaken by one, for the
                                          other entity, would be defined
                                          in a contract, whether
                                          written, verbal or otherwise.
                                          If not, there is a lack of
                                          clarity and expectations about
                                          the relationship, which brings
                                          potential liability and risk
                                          that both entities are
                                          subjected to, in relation to
                                          the other's actions. Any
                                          lawyer would tell you that it
                                          is highly advisable to have a
                                          written contract, if only for
                                          legal protection.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Thanks for letting me know
                                          that you are travelling. I am
                                          copying President and CEO
                                          Sally Wentworth in case you're
                                          unavailable for a length of
                                          time.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Kindest regards,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Olivier</p>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                            20/09/2024 13:12, Ted Hardie
                                            wrote:</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Hi
                                                  Olivier,</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">A
                                                  supporting
                                                  organization is a term
                                                  of art in US tax law,
                                                  please see:</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">and</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Explaining
                                                    how the two relate
                                                    is complicated
                                                    enough that there
                                                    are legal briefs on
                                                    it; I have cc'ed the
                                                    Society's chief
                                                    counsel in case you
                                                    would like that
                                                    level of detail. 
                                                    The summary,
                                                    however, is that a
                                                    supporting
                                                    organization is a
                                                    charity because it
                                                    supports the
                                                    charitable purpose
                                                    of the main
                                                    organization.  As a
                                                    result, it can
                                                    provide services to
                                                    the main
                                                    organization under
                                                    the special tax
                                                    rules noted above. </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Note
                                                    that I am traveling
                                                    and will generally
                                                    be slow to respond
                                                    for a few days, but
                                                    hopefully the links
                                                    above will get you
                                                    started and Ilona
                                                    can provide more
                                                    detailed legal
                                                    information as
                                                    needed.</p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">regards,</p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Ted
                                                    Hardie</p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                  Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at
                                                  6:24<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span>AM Olivier MJ
                                                  Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:</p>
                                              </div>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Dear
                                                    Ted, </p>
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                                                      During this week’s
                                                      Chapters Advisory
                                                      Council call, you
                                                      mentioned that the
                                                      Internet Society
                                                      Foundation, as a
                                                      "supporting
                                                      organisation" of
                                                      the Internet
                                                      Society, is
                                                      managing the
                                                      communications
                                                      department for the
                                                      Internet Society.
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Upon seeking
                                                      clarification, you
                                                      explained that the
                                                      Internet Society
                                                      Foundation
                                                      comprises two
                                                      elements: one
                                                      philanthropic
                                                      (grant-making) and
                                                      the other as a
                                                      "supporting
                                                      organisation" of
                                                      the Internet
                                                      Society. "This
                                                      implies that many
                                                      of the supporting
                                                      functions for the
                                                      Internet Society
                                                      as a whole are now
                                                      part of the
                                                      Foundation,
                                                      primarily because
                                                      the Foundation can
                                                      provide these
                                                      services to the
                                                      Internet Society
                                                      at no cost".<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      You further
                                                      elaborated that
                                                      this "arrangement"
                                                      allows the
                                                      Internet Society
                                                      to allocate its
                                                      budget more
                                                      effectively.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I was previously
                                                      unaware of this
                                                      change. Although
                                                      the Internet
                                                      Society Foundation
                                                      may have been
                                                      designated by the
                                                      Internet Society
                                                      as a "supporting
                                                      organisation" of
                                                      the Internet
                                                      Society, it
                                                      remains a distinct
                                                      and separate legal
                                                      entity. Therefore,
                                                      I assume that any
                                                      "outsourcing" of
                                                      responsibilities
                                                      such as Marketing
                                                      and/or
                                                      Communications
                                                      would be defined
                                                      in a written
                                                      "contract for
                                                      services" between
                                                      the Parties
                                                      setting out
                                                      (inter-alia) the
                                                      terms, rights, and
                                                      obligations of
                                                      each Party. Could
                                                      you please provide
                                                      the terms for such
                                                      an agreement and
                                                      any limitations
                                                      therein?<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      My principal
                                                      concern lies in
                                                      distinguishing
                                                      between executing
                                                      the Communications
                                                      Plan and drafting
                                                      the Communications
                                                      Plan. These are
                                                      fundamentally
                                                      different tasks
                                                      and would
                                                      undoubtedly be
                                                      included in the
                                                      "contract for
                                                      services". <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      The "contract for
                                                      services"
                                                      (together with any
                                                      relevant
                                                      supporting
                                                      information) will
                                                      be helpful input
                                                      for both the
                                                      Chapters Advisory
                                                      Council and also
                                                      for Chris Locke
                                                      and his Team
                                                      (including for the
                                                      current "branding"
                                                      presentations) in
                                                      preparation for
                                                      the promised
                                                      session from Chris
                                                      Locke to the
                                                      Chapters Advisory
                                                      Council. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I look forward to
                                                      your response and
                                                      to receiving a
                                                      copy of the
                                                      "contract for
                                                      services"
                                                      agreement,
                                                      together with any
                                                      relevant
                                                      supporting
                                                      information as
                                                      requested above.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Kindest regards,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Olivier</p>
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                            <span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
                            <span>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer
                              you are automatically subscribed</span><br>
                            <span>to this list, which is regularly
                              synchronized with the Internet Society
                              Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://community.internetsociety.org" target="_blank">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>.</span><br>
                            <span>-</span><br>
                            <span>View the Internet Society Code of
                              Conduct: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a></span><br>
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                  _______________________________________________<br>
                  As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
                  automatically subscribed<br>
                  to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the
                  Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://community.internetsociety.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>.<br>
                  -<br>
                  View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a><br>
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              <pre>_______________________________________________
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://community.internetsociety.org" target="_blank">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>.
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View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a>
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          _______________________________________________<br>
          As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically
          subscribed<br>
          to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the
          Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://community.internetsociety.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>.<br>
          -<br>
          View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a><br>
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