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Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
referring to my email below, I note with concern that I appear to
have not received any response from you on the matters I raised.
Having mentioned in your email dated 8 October 2024 that "<i>All
necessary legal documents, including agreements, have been put in
place to respect the separate nature of the two organizations." </i>,
I am yet to have seen any of these documents which you mentioned.
Please be so kind to share them or if this is not possible, even in
a redacted manner, then please provide a list of the agreements to
which you refer, including the date of the agreement, the name of
the agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief description of
each agreement.<br>
<br>
I reiterate the differentiation between a "supporting organisation"
and a "merged organisation", which are not legally the same.
Supporting organisations require, under Company Law, that the link
between the Supporting Organisation and the Supported Organisation
is formalised by a set of service agreements since the two
organisations remain legally distinct.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/10/2024 10:56, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond wrote:<br>
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Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for your email dated 10 October 2024.<br>
<br>
I am disappointed to note that you have still not provided a
response with the information requested in my emails appended in
the email thread below. You will note the extract below from my
email dated 8 October 2024: <br>
<br>
QUOTE: <br>
"Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal documents,
including agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the two organizations.</i><br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not possible,
even in a redacted manner, for whatever reason, then please
provide a list of the agreements to which you refer, including the
date of the agreement, the name of the agreement, the signatory
parties, and a brief description of each agreement."<br>
<br>
I reiterate this request and would be grateful if you could
provide the information requested without further delay. <br>
<br>
I very much appreciate (and draw your attention to) the input and
support for this information request from my fellow "Chapter
Delegates". <br>
<br>
As a reminder, in U.S. company law, a "supporting organisation"
and a "merged organisation" are not legally the same.<br>
<br>
I am pleased that we all appear to agree that the Internet Society
Foundation is formally a "Section 509(a)(3) Supporting
Organisation" under United States Non Profit Tax Law. <br>
The information from the IRS links below provide helpful "Official
Guidance":<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
<br>
I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2024 17:04, Ilona Levine
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi
Olivier,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you
for your follow up email. I think the use of the term
"outsourcing" in the email below might have caused some
confusion. You mentioned you are familiar with the
“supporting organizations” and how they operate, but it
might also be helpful for me to provide some additional
background for others.<br>
<br>
As you know, the relationship between supporting and
supported organizations is not a vendor or contractor
relationship. Though the Foundation is a separate
corporation, it is a controlled subsidiary of ISOC, not a
third-party service provider or outside contractor. So
ISOC is not “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead,
the two entities cooperate to achieve the mission of the
Internet Society. In other words, as a supporting
organization, the Foundation’s purpose is to operate for
the benefit of, and to support, ISOC. In furtherance of
that purpose, the Foundation conducts programs and
activities that benefit ISOC and furthers ISOC’s mission.
For example, the Foundation engages in communications
activities at the direction of and to the benefit of ISOC.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As you
also know based on your extensive experience with
nonprofits, the Internet Society Board develops the
overall strategy for ISOC. Internet Society management
then develops its action plan and in turn, works with the
Foundation to ensure that it, as a
supporting organization, provides the support necessary to
achieve ISOC’s goals. The Foundation does that through its
own action plan, which sets out objectives for all of its
functions, including the communications function. So the
Board sets the strategy, Internet Society management
creates the action plans, and the Foundation management
allocates resources to support those plans as necessary. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After the
approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC will share them
with the community. As discussed earlier, part of that
will be Chris presenting to this community how the
communications group will be tackling its work in the
upcoming year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17 September 2024<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding the
definition of the relationship between the Internet Society
and the Internet Society Foundation, in the absence of your
response, I wish to reiterate the need for a clear
outsourcing agreement between these entities. It is
recognised as good business practice internationally to
establish such agreements to delineate respective
liabilities in the execution of these contracts.<br>
<br>
Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal documents,
including agreements, have been put in place to respect
the separate nature of the two organizations.</i>"<br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not
possible, even in a redacted manner, for whatever reason,
then please provide a list of the agreements to which you
refer, including the date of the agreement, the name of the
agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief description of
each agreement.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
<br>
The thread may not have come all through. During the
Chapter Advisory Council call, Ted mentioned the transfer
of some responsibilities in relation to Communications
from the Internet Society to the Internet Society
Foundation. My initial question to Ted was in regards to
the outsourcing agreement as follows:<br>
<br>
<i>"I was previously unaware of this change. Although the
Internet Society Foundation may have been designated by
the Internet Society as a "supporting organisation" of
the Internet Society, it remains a distinct and separate
legal entity. Therefore, I assume that any "outsourcing"
of responsibilities such as Marketing and/or
Communications would be defined in a written "contract
for services" between the Parties setting out
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and obligations of each
Party. Could you please provide the terms for such an
agreement and any limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing between
executing the Communications Plan and drafting the
Communications Plan. These are fundamentally different
tasks and would undoubtedly be included in the "contract
for services"".</i> <br>
<br>
The top level responsibility of the strategy of the
Internet Society remains within the Internet Society. I
find it surprising that an outsourcing entity would be
able to dictate that strategy without it being agreed by
the Internet Society itself.<br>
The Internet Society has the opportunity to outsource the
execution of its Communications Plan to a supporting
organisation on the basis of terms and conditions agreed
between the parties. This requires outsourcing
agreement(s) in order to know where the boundaries and
responsibilities are between the two organisations,
including their respective liabilities in the execution of
these agreement(s).<br>
<br>
For example: <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<h3
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<span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#111111">Key
Components of an Outsourcing Communications Agreement<o:p></o:p></span></h3>
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<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Introduction
and Definitions</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Clearly define the
parties involved.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Provide definitions
for key terms used throughout the agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Scope of
Services</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
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<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Detail the specific
services to be outsourced.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include service level
agreements (SLAs) to set performance standards.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Term and
Termination</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the duration
of the agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline conditions
for termination by either party.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Pricing and
Payment Terms</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="4" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the pricing
structure and payment schedule.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include any penalties
for late payments or performance failures.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Confidentiality
and Data Protection</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="5" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Ensure compliance
with data protection laws.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include
confidentiality clauses to protect sensitive
information.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Intellectual
Property Rights</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="6" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Clarify the ownership
of any intellectual property created during the
agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Warranties and
Liability</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="7" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline the
warranties provided by the service provider.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the liability
limits for both parties.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="8" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Monitoring and
Reporting</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="8" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Establish how
performance will be monitored and reported.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include provisions
for regular review meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="9" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Dispute
Resolution</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="9" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the process
for resolving disputes.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include mediation or
arbitration clauses if applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="10" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Exit Management</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="10" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Plan for the
transition of services back to the company or to
another provider.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include provisions
for the transfer of data and assets.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been put in place to
respect the separate nature of the two organizations."<br>
Thus I would be interested in its details as explained in
my email.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona Levine
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear
Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
understand that the nature of your request is to
assist the Chapters Advisory Council and Chris Locke
in preparation to his session on the communication
plan. The agreement in place since 2018 between the
Foundation and Internet Society focuses on the legal
obligations in line with the Foundation's role as a
509(a)(3) and therefore, won’t be useful for that
purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 8:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF <a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for clarifying that all necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been duly executed
to respect the separate nature of the two organisations.<br>
<br>
I am aware of the publication of the original IETF
Administration LLC agreements with the Internet Society,
specifically:<br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
(2020)</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
Amendment (2020)</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
Amended and Restated (2024)</a><br>
<br>
These documents are accessible on the IETF
Administration LLC’s website at <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
<br>
Could you kindly confirm whether the agreements between
the Foundation and the Internet Society are also
publicly available? I have been unable to locate them on
either website.<br>
<br>
I would appreciate it if you could provide a list of the
agreements to which you refer, including the date of the
agreement, the name of the agreement, the signatory
parties, and a brief description of each agreement.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your kind response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 19:48, Ilona Levine
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi
Olivier, thank you for your follow up email. You
noted that you are aware of the tax requirements
that apply to supporting organizations. Mainly,
those requirements relate to supporting the mission
of its supported entities. In this case, the
Internet Society. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As
part of that support, the Foundation provides grants
to other organizations that have missions consistent
with the Internet Society’s in order to fund
programs that further the Internet Society’s
purposes. The Foundation also engages in activities
that support Internet Society directly. For example,
the Foundation engages in fundraising and
communication activities for the benefit of the
Internet Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As
you also pointed out, the Foundation is a separate
legal entity. It is a controlled subsidiary of
Internet Society. All necessary legal documents,
including agreements, have been put in place to
respect the separate nature of the two
organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
trust this answers your question.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, September 20, 2024 at 11:38
AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ted IETF <a
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>,
Ilona Levine <a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth <a
href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters
Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ted,<br>
<br>
thank you for your follow-up on this matter. I am
aware of the special tax terms in relation to
"supporting organisations". <br>
<br>
That being said, the Internet Society Foundation is a
distinct and separate legal entity to the Internet
Society, irrespective of the relationship between
them. As a result, any outsourcing task undertaken by
one, for the other entity, would be defined in a
contract, whether written, verbal or otherwise. If
not, there is a lack of clarity and expectations about
the relationship, which brings potential liability and
risk that both entities are subjected to, in relation
to the other's actions. Any lawyer would tell you that
it is highly advisable to have a written contract, if
only for legal protection.<br>
<br>
Thanks for letting me know that you are travelling. I
am copying President and CEO Sally Wentworth in case
you're unavailable for a length of time.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 13:12, Ted Hardie
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Olivier,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">A supporting organization
is a term of art in US tax law, please see:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">and<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Explaining how the two
relate is complicated enough that there are
legal briefs on it; I have cc'ed the
Society's chief counsel in case you would
like that level of detail. The summary,
however, is that a supporting organization
is a charity because it supports the
charitable purpose of the main
organization. As a result, it can provide
services to the main organization under the
special tax rules noted above. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Note that I am traveling
and will generally be slow to respond for a
few days, but hopefully the links above will
get you started and Ilona can provide more
detailed legal information as needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ted Hardie<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at
6:24<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond <<a
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ocl@gih.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ted, <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
During this week’s Chapters Advisory
Council call, you mentioned that the
Internet Society Foundation, as a
"supporting organisation" of the Internet
Society, is managing the communications
department for the Internet Society. <br>
<br>
Upon seeking clarification, you explained
that the Internet Society Foundation
comprises two elements: one philanthropic
(grant-making) and the other as a
"supporting organisation" of the Internet
Society. "This implies that many of the
supporting functions for the Internet
Society as a whole are now part of the
Foundation, primarily because the
Foundation can provide these services to
the Internet Society at no cost".<br>
<br>
You further elaborated that this
"arrangement" allows the Internet Society
to allocate its budget more effectively.<br>
<br>
I was previously unaware of this change.
Although the Internet Society Foundation
may have been designated by the Internet
Society as a "supporting organisation" of
the Internet Society, it remains a
distinct and separate legal entity.
Therefore, I assume that any "outsourcing"
of responsibilities such as Marketing
and/or Communications would be defined in
a written "contract for services" between
the Parties setting out (inter-alia) the
terms, rights, and obligations of each
Party. Could you please provide the terms
for such an agreement and any limitations
therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in
distinguishing between executing the
Communications Plan and drafting the
Communications Plan. These are
fundamentally different tasks and would
undoubtedly be included in the "contract
for services". <br>
<br>
The "contract for services" (together with
any relevant supporting information) will
be helpful input for both the Chapters
Advisory Council and also for Chris Locke
and his Team (including for the current
"branding" presentations) in preparation
for the promised session from Chris Locke
to the Chapters Advisory Council. <br>
<br>
I look forward to your response and to
receiving a copy of the "contract for
services" agreement, together with any
relevant supporting information as
requested above.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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