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Dear Chris,<br>
<br>
whilst appreciating that you are busy and being aware that you are
travelling at present, I should remind you of my email below which I
hope you will have the time to respond to when you have the time.<br>
The matters which I have shared with you show a number of
inter-connected organisations, each their own legal entity and
therefore each with their own rights, obligations, assets,
liabilities etc. As I mentioned in my email, contracts or written
agreements need to be in place under Company Law in order to limit
that liability that stems from an organisation's activities,
irrespective of the make-up of the organisation(s) when it comes to
IRS Tax returns.<br>
<br>
I realise that you are probably "discovering" the organisation(s) as
you navigate them, but would appreciate your responses given the
lack of responses received thus far from other staff members in the
organisation structure(s). As having a clear and transparent,
trusted organisation is a primary criterion for donors to evaluate
before pledging funds, I should think that this would rank quite
high in your list of priorities.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/10/2024 12:48, Olivier MJ
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Dear Chris,<br>
<br>
many thanks for your email. I very much appreciate your enthusiasm
in addressing key issues.<br>
<br>
You have correctly identified that there is a major issue relating
to Trust. However, I would raise a second key issue which relates
to Legitimacy and both of these issues need to be addressed before
the Internet Society Foundation and other Internet Society
Organisations can move forward from the present situation. <br>
<br>
I am delighted that you are going to present at the Chapters
Advisory Council on 28th October 2024 and hope that you will be
able to integrate both the points of Trust and Legitimacy in your
presentation.<br>
<br>
1. You will have seen my response to Ilona Levine earlier in the
day. You will see that there is a Common Ground that the Internet
Society Foundation is a Not-For-Profit Supporting Organisation
509(a)3. But the link between the Supporting Organisation and the
Supported Organisation in <b>Company law</b> is a different
matter. In reading the thread I have had with Ilona Levine and
others, there appears to be a confusion between the two.<br>
<br>
A supporting organisation typically needs to have operational
contracts or agreements with its supported organisation to ensure
that it is operating exclusively for the benefit of the supported
organisation. These contracts outline the specific activities,
responsibilities, and expectations of both parties to maintain
compliance with IRS requirements.<br>
<br>
2. There is a distinction between "The Community" and "The
Chapters".<br>
<br>
Chapters are part of the "Supported Entities" - an integral part
of the Internet Society ecosystem - and have a role in terms of
the delivery of services from the Supporting Organisations. They
are defined in the Internet Society Bylaws. They appoint a number
of Board Members. <br>
The wider "Community" of, still undefined "members" (even though
we are constantly reminded by Management and Board that the
Internet Society is not a membership organisation), has no power
whatsoever in Internet Society matters.<br>
<br>
One of the issues which has caused the breakdown of Trust is that,
since 2016, the Chapters have seen, "as if by magic", the
destruction of the Chapter infrastructure and resources, for
example the closing of the Regional Offices, the change of "Core
Staff", the hacking-out of activities in which Chapters were
involved, such as MANRS or the efforts on Consumer IoT, the
top-down parallel staff activities relating to Advocacy and, to
top the lot, the loss of funding for ISOC.LIVE and ISOC Live
Archives. There has been a significant shift in the Internet
Society's direction since 2016, not brought bottom-up up by the
wider Internet Society Communities, but top-down by Management,
and this is best shown by examining the changes in the funding
flows between 2016 (pre-changes) and 2022, which is the last
financial information that is currently publicly available.<br>
<br>
This is best shown in a snapshot of funding flows from 2016:<br>
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And a snapshot of funding flows from 2022:<br>
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Chapters stand to be the big losers here, from having a Community
Support Budget in excess of $8M in 2016, to a Community Support
Budget that's now been fragmented into a myriad of streams that
may or may not be related to Chapters and struggle to add up to
$1M.<br>
<br>
In the re-organisation that defined each Internet Society expense
as a "Project", all of the aspects of "Good Governance" are
missing. With only summary financials being published, much less
detailed than ten years ago, one needs to analyse the Form 990
submissions of each organisation to have any idea of what is
happening at the Internet Society and the Internet Society
Foundation and the "black box" nature of Internet Society
re-organisation is emphasized to the point that the Internet
Society is losing Trust and Legitimacy, and admittedly, also
support from many Chapters who are asking themselves "what is
going on"?<br>
<br>
For you Chris in your position as the relatively new appointed
Executive Vice President and Managing Director of the Internet
Society Foundation, it is also in your interest that these matters
be addressed not least from the point of view of your
"philanthropy", as well as your "supporting" responsibilities,
(especially as a respected Marketing Professional). Branding runs
a mile and the success of the Internet Society Foundation
fundraising campaigns is directly related to the Trust and
Legitimacy which underpins the Organisation as a whole.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/10/2024 11:21, Christopher
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks everyone for the ongoing discussion, and
as I said I’ll be attending the Chapter Advisory call at the
invite of Cheryl on October 28th and I’ll be happy to go
through all of these points and take as many questions as
possible, including on our plans to better support chapters,
creating an archive for past and future content, etc. I’m
happy to engage and will visit chapters whenever I can - as
I did recently on a trip to Bogotá to see fifty amazing
graduates of our DDCN training program and seeing how the
chapter has worked well with local partners to create
internships for graduates.<span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">In the four months I’ve been here so far this
list has been an instructive way for me to understand how
trust has broken down between some chapter members and ISOC.
But it’s my intention and Sally’s strategy to focus squarely
on our community, and I hope you’ll agree as we roll out the
2030 strategy starting next year.<span></span><span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">We do a huge amount to support Chapters and our
broader community with grants, training, and many other
resources. Massive amounts of my team and budget are
dedicated to that. And outside of the particular issue that
this discussion is focused on - which I’m committed to s<span
style="font-size: inherit;">olving - we have a great
relationship with our chapters and are funding programs
all over the world. Much of this doesn’t get discussed on</span><span
style="font-size: inherit;"> this list at the moment, but
I’d like us to celebrate the great work we’re supporting
Chapters to do as well as quite rightly raising issues
where they exist.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>I’m looking forward to speaking to
everyone on the 28th and in the meantime will continue to
speak to as many Chapter members as I<span> can to
understand more about how we work together. But what I’m
looking forward to most in my new role is what impact we
can have together as a global community, and earning the
trust of that community in what we do and the support we
offer.<span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span></span><span></span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span>Best, Chris </span></span></div>
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<p>+1 Joel, Doug, Christian, Hank, Eduardo, and most
especially to Olivier. <br>
</p>
<p>Others have already pointed-out that $64,000/year is a very
reasonable outlay for the scope and quality of the work that
Joly was doing. What would be the cost of an entire Comms
team doing that work, or if this work were to be outsourced
to yet another tech company (like SalesForce.com for a
"product" like Fonteva)?</p>
<p>But we are told that we can still have the work done --
simply apply for a BTN grant. Well, now we know that ISOC-NY
did apply for a one-time grant to archive and save about 800
livestream videos. The result? ISOC Foundation rejected
this <b>tiny, minuscule</b> Beyond the Net application, the
reason given by ISOC Foundation was: "<i>the total number of
requests we receive exceed the amount of funding we have
available and we must select projects most closely aligned
to the goals of our Foundation</i>". A paltry $1K -- not
aligned with goals? <br>
</p>
<p>That, ladies and gents, says a lot about the state ISOC
(HQ) is in nowadays. <br>
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<p>WYn<br>
PH<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2024 7:56 PM, Joel
Okomoli via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Frazier! and +1,
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<div>This attitude is spread across the various programs
run by ISOC! We have seen fellows and travel fellowships
being awarded to very strange fellows who do not even
understand the Mission and Vision of ISOC! </div>
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<div>The outcome is that the said fellows ride on such
funds then quickly disappear without trace! Occasionally
they pop up - as staff and then you begin to see the
connection. This is a small world and it looks like our
former CEO entrenched the culture. I believe any
openings in this ecosystem should be given to the active
volunteers! That is what will grow The Internet
Society. </div>
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<div>My observation, I could be wrong. </div>
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<div>Joel Okomoli </div>
<div>ISOC Kenya Chapter. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2024
at 1:37 PM b1harlem nyc via Chapter-delegates <<a
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<div dir="auto">That's exactly what I was thinking as
well.. we have a situation where the non volunteers
are dictating what is being done with allocation of
resources. And just refusing to acknowledge they are
wrong on this and maybe being a penny wise and a pound
foolish.
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<div dir="auto">First we are treated to fancy
intelligent parsing and explaining (by non
volunteers) as to why( volunteers) cannot have 64
000 dollars to document chapter efforts by
volunteers! </div>
<div dir="auto">Mostly because they (non volunteers)
said so!</div>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> When that was challenged we were
treated to fancy legal explanations courtesy of
the non volunteer legal attorney..when
challenged by Oliver's well thought out logical
response we got legal obsification...</div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto"> Most enlightening though of the
we versus they attitude of the you guess it (non
volunteers) was the revelation that 5 million
dollars of internt society monies was given to
some private group (non volunteer of course)</div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto"> When Oliver and others asked
about how the non volunteers transferred
gifted..allocated ..awarded 5 .million dollars
to another non volunteer group while denying
the volunteers request for 64000 dollars for
documentation of chapter work </div>
<div dir="auto">We were informed by (non voluteer
attorney) you dont need to see any documents
regarding that, nothing to see here!.. (again
because the non volunteers lawyer said so) when
that didnt work and she was challenged by non
volunteers...we given More fancy legal word
salad with </div>
<div dir="auto"> obsification on the side just
for good measure...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Insert lyrics from well known song
"you thought I was a donut you tried to glaze
me"</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">We should see this as a teaching
moment as a proud member of the nyc chapter we
see this circular demeaning paternalistic logic
all the time in our work with the residents of
the nyc housing authority... the largest in the
country </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The people who live there are
ignored by and on every turn by the same set up
as we have here ..thier concerns are meet by the
same platitudes and responses that always
deliver the same message only we (non
volunteers/non residents in both instances) and
we only have the only good ideas and how dare
you question that..and think we are going to
listen to you!..</div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto">We (non volunteers) will circle
the wagons and protect the non volunteers and
forget the fact that the</div>
<div dir="auto">Volunteers are the heart and sole
of any society including the internet...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This happens more the we all
probably think .</div>
<div dir="auto">Notice the resistance over
something so obvious and they cannot solve it
without trying not to loose face and protect
previous decisions thereby appearing to have no
regard or even realizing we are supposed to be
and act like a team and we they are not!! </div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto">This is the seeds of devisiveness
when you have no regard for your teammates
...point blank full stop</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">OK none can say we were not told!</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Doug Frazier</div>
<div dir="auto">Proud Board Member and Volunteer
of the nyc Chapter</div>
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2024, 05:10 Christian de Larrinaga via
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That's not the issue if I've understood what people
are asking. The<br>
message appears to be ISOC is looking increasingly
like a "black box" to<br>
the community saying it is treated as consumers
rather than as an<br>
integral part of the decision and governance making
process.<br>
<br>
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The foundation is formally a supporting
organization under nonprofit tax<br>
law.<br>
V<br>
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On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:35 Eduardo Diaz via
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IIona:<br>
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From your email, I understand there is no formal
"contract for services"<br>
between ISOC and the ISOC Foundation. Is my
interpretation correct?<br>
<br>
-ed<br>
ISOC Puerto Rico<br>
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On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 12:04 PM Ilona Levine via
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Hi Olivier,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your follow up email. I think the
use of the term<br>
"outsourcing" in the email below might have caused
some confusion. You<br>
mentioned you are familiar with the “supporting
organizations” and how they<br>
operate, but it might also be helpful for me to
provide some additional<br>
background for others.<br>
<br>
As you know, the relationship between supporting
and supported<br>
organizations is not a vendor or contractor
relationship. Though<br>
the Foundation is a separate corporation, it is a
controlled subsidiary of<br>
ISOC, not a third-party service provider or
outside contractor. So ISOC is<br>
not “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead,
the two entities cooperate<br>
to achieve the mission of the Internet Society.
In other words, as a<br>
supporting organization, the Foundation’s purpose
is to operate for the<br>
benefit of, and to support, ISOC. In furtherance
of that purpose, the<br>
Foundation conducts programs and activities that
benefit ISOC and furthers<br>
ISOC’s mission. For example, the Foundation
engages in communications<br>
activities at the direction of and to the benefit
of ISOC.<br>
<br>
As you also know based on your extensive
experience with nonprofits, the<br>
Internet Society Board develops the overall
strategy for ISOC. Internet<br>
Society management then develops its action plan
and in turn, works with<br>
the Foundation to ensure that it, as a supporting
organization, provides<br>
the support necessary to achieve ISOC’s goals. The
Foundation does that<br>
through its own action plan, which sets out
objectives for all of its<br>
functions, including the communications function.
So the Board sets the<br>
strategy, Internet Society management creates the
action plans, and the<br>
Foundation management allocates resources to
support those plans as<br>
necessary.<br>
<br>
After the approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC
will share them with<br>
the community. As discussed earlier, part of that
will be Chris presenting<br>
to this community how the communications group
will be tackling its work in<br>
the upcoming year.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
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*Date: *Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47 AM<br>
*To: *Ilona Levine <<a
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Sally<br>
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding
the definition of the<br>
relationship between the Internet Society and the
Internet Society<br>
Foundation, in the absence of your response, I
wish to reiterate the need<br>
for a clear outsourcing agreement between these
entities. It is recognised<br>
as good business practice internationally to
establish such agreements to<br>
delineate respective liabilities in the execution
of these contracts.<br>
<br>
Responding to your note: "*All necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organizations.*"<br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that
is not possible, even<br>
in a redacted manner, for whatever reason, then
please provide a list of<br>
the agreements to which you refer, including the
date of the agreement, the<br>
name of the agreement, the signatory parties, and
a brief description of<br>
each agreement.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
<br>
The thread may not have come all through. During
the Chapter Advisory<br>
Council call, Ted mentioned the transfer of some
responsibilities in<br>
relation to Communications from the Internet
Society to the Internet<br>
Society Foundation. My initial question to Ted was
in regards to the<br>
outsourcing agreement as follows:<br>
<br>
*"I was previously unaware of this change.
Although the Internet Society<br>
Foundation may have been designated by the
Internet Society as a<br>
"supporting organisation" of the Internet Society,
it remains a distinct<br>
and separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume
that any "outsourcing" of<br>
responsibilities such as Marketing and/or
Communications would be defined<br>
in a written "contract for services" between the
Parties setting out<br>
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and obligations of
each Party. Could you<br>
please provide the terms for such an agreement and
any limitations therein?<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing
between executing the<br>
Communications Plan and drafting the
Communications Plan. These are<br>
fundamentally different tasks and would
undoubtedly be included in the<br>
"contract for services"".*<br>
<br>
The top level responsibility of the strategy of
the Internet Society<br>
remains within the Internet Society. I find it
surprising that an<br>
outsourcing entity would be able to dictate that
strategy without it being<br>
agreed by the Internet Society itself.<br>
The Internet Society has the opportunity to
outsource the execution of<br>
its Communications Plan to a supporting
organisation on the basis of terms<br>
and conditions agreed between the parties. This
requires outsourcing<br>
agreement(s) in order to know where the boundaries
and responsibilities are<br>
between the two organisations, including their
respective liabilities in<br>
the execution of these agreement(s).<br>
<br>
For example:<br>
<br>
Key Components of an Outsourcing Communications
Agreement<br>
<br>
1. *Introduction and Definitions*:<br>
- Clearly define the parties involved.<br>
- Provide definitions for key terms used
throughout the agreement.<br>
<br>
2. *Scope of Services*:<br>
- Detail the specific services to be
outsourced.<br>
- Include service level agreements (SLAs) to
set performance<br>
standards.<br>
<br>
3. *Term and Termination*:<br>
- Specify the duration of the agreement.<br>
- Outline conditions for termination by
either party.<br>
<br>
4. *Pricing and Payment Terms*:<br>
- Define the pricing structure and payment
schedule.<br>
- Include any penalties for late payments or
performance failures.<br>
<br>
5. *Confidentiality and Data Protection*:<br>
- Ensure compliance with data protection
laws.<br>
- Include confidentiality clauses to protect
sensitive information.<br>
<br>
6. *Intellectual Property Rights*:<br>
- Clarify the ownership of any intellectual
property created during<br>
the agreement.<br>
<br>
7. *Warranties and Liability*:<br>
- Outline the warranties provided by the
service provider.<br>
- Define the liability limits for both
parties.<br>
<br>
8. *Monitoring and Reporting*:<br>
- Establish how performance will be monitored
and reported.<br>
- Include provisions for regular review
meetings.<br>
<br>
9. *Dispute Resolution*:<br>
- Specify the process for resolving disputes.<br>
- Include mediation or arbitration clauses if
applicable.<br>
<br>
10. *Exit Management*:<br>
- Plan for the transition of services back to
the company or to<br>
another provider.<br>
- Include provisions for the transfer of data
and assets.<br>
<br>
I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organizations."<br>
<br>
Thus I would be interested in its details as
explained in my email.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona Levine wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Olivier,<br>
<br>
I understand that the nature of your request is to
assist the Chapters<br>
Advisory Council and Chris Locke in preparation to
his session on the<br>
communication plan. The agreement in place since
2018 between the<br>
Foundation and Internet Society focuses on the
legal obligations in line<br>
with the Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and
therefore, won’t be useful<br>
for that purpose.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
<br>
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*To: *Ilona Levine <<a
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for clarifying that all necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been duly executed to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organisations.<br>
<br>
I am aware of the publication of the original IETF
Administration LLC<br>
agreements with the Internet Society,
specifically:<br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement (2020)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf</a><br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement Amendment (2020)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf</a><br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement Amended and Restated
(2024)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf</a><br>
<br>
These documents are accessible on the IETF
Administration LLC’s website<br>
at <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
<br>
Could you kindly confirm whether the agreements
between the Foundation<br>
and the Internet Society are also publicly
available? I have been unable to<br>
locate them on either website.<br>
<br>
I would appreciate it if you could provide a list
of the agreements to<br>
which you refer, including the date of the
agreement, the name of the<br>
agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief
description of each agreement.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your kind response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/09/2024 19:48, Ilona Levine wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Olivier, thank you for your follow up email.
You noted that you are<br>
aware of the tax requirements that apply to
supporting organizations.<br>
Mainly, those requirements relate to supporting
the mission of its<br>
supported entities. In this case, the Internet
Society.<br>
<br>
As part of that support, the Foundation provides
grants to other<br>
organizations that have missions consistent with
the Internet Society’s in<br>
order to fund programs that further the Internet
Society’s purposes. The<br>
Foundation also engages in activities that support
Internet Society<br>
directly. For example, the Foundation engages in
fundraising and<br>
communication activities for the benefit of the
Internet Society.<br>
<br>
As you also pointed out, the Foundation is a
separate legal entity. It<br>
is a controlled subsidiary of Internet Society.
All necessary legal<br>
documents, including agreements, have been put in
place to respect the<br>
separate nature of the two organizations.<br>
<br>
I trust this answers your question.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
*Ilona Levine,* SVP, General Counsel and Corporate
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*Date: *Friday, September 20, 2024 at 11:38 AM<br>
*To: *Ted IETF <<a
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ted,<br>
<br>
thank you for your follow-up on this matter. I am
aware of the special<br>
tax terms in relation to "supporting
organisations".<br>
<br>
That being said, the Internet Society Foundation
is a distinct and<br>
separate legal entity to the Internet Society,
irrespective of the<br>
relationship between them. As a result, any
outsourcing task undertaken by<br>
one, for the other entity, would be defined in a
contract, whether written,<br>
verbal or otherwise. If not, there is a lack of
clarity and expectations<br>
about the relationship, which brings potential
liability and risk that both<br>
entities are subjected to, in relation to the
other's actions. Any lawyer<br>
would tell you that it is highly advisable to have
a written contract, if<br>
only for legal protection.<br>
<br>
Thanks for letting me know that you are
travelling. I am copying<br>
President and CEO Sally Wentworth in case you're
unavailable for a length<br>
of time.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/09/2024 13:12, Ted Hardie wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Olivier,<br>
<br>
A supporting organization is a term of art in US
tax law, please see:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
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moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
<br>
and<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
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https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
<br>
Explaining how the two relate is complicated
enough that there are legal<br>
briefs on it; I have cc'ed the Society's chief
counsel in case you would<br>
like that level of detail. The summary, however,
is that a supporting<br>
organization is a charity because it supports the
charitable purpose of the<br>
main organization. As a result, it can provide
services to the main<br>
organization under the special tax rules noted
above.<br>
<br>
Note that I am traveling and will generally be
slow to respond for a few<br>
days, but hopefully the links above will get you
started and Ilona can<br>
provide more detailed legal information as needed.<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
<br>
Ted Hardie<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 6:24 AM Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Ted,<br>
<br>
During this week’s Chapters Advisory Council call,
you mentioned that the<br>
Internet Society Foundation, as a "supporting
organisation" of the Internet<br>
Society, is managing the communications department
for the Internet<br>
Society.<br>
<br>
Upon seeking clarification, you explained that the
Internet Society<br>
Foundation comprises two elements: one
philanthropic (grant-making) and the<br>
other as a "supporting organisation" of the
Internet Society. "This implies<br>
that many of the supporting functions for the
Internet Society as a whole<br>
are now part of the Foundation, primarily because
the Foundation can<br>
provide these services to the Internet Society at
no cost".<br>
<br>
You further elaborated that this "arrangement"
allows the Internet<br>
Society to allocate its budget more effectively.<br>
<br>
I was previously unaware of this change. Although
the Internet Society<br>
Foundation may have been designated by the
Internet Society as a<br>
"supporting organisation" of the Internet Society,
it remains a distinct<br>
and separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume
that any "outsourcing" of<br>
responsibilities such as Marketing and/or
Communications would be defined<br>
in a written "contract for services" between the
Parties setting out<br>
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and obligations of
each Party. Could you<br>
please provide the terms for such an agreement and
any limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing
between executing the<br>
Communications Plan and drafting the
Communications Plan. These are<br>
fundamentally different tasks and would
undoubtedly be included in the<br>
"contract for services".<br>
<br>
The "contract for services" (together with any
relevant supporting<br>
information) will be helpful input for both the
Chapters Advisory Council<br>
and also for Chris Locke and his Team (including
for the current "branding"<br>
presentations) in preparation for the promised
session from Chris Locke to<br>
the Chapters Advisory Council.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your response and to receiving a
copy of the "contract<br>
for services" agreement, together with any
relevant supporting information<br>
as requested above.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
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