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Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for your email dated 10 October 2024.<br>
<br>
I am disappointed to note that you have still not provided a
response with the information requested in my emails appended in the
email thread below. You will note the extract below from my email
dated 8 October 2024: <br>
<br>
QUOTE: <br>
"Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal documents,
including agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the two organizations.</i><br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not possible,
even in a redacted manner, for whatever reason, then please provide
a list of the agreements to which you refer, including the date of
the agreement, the name of the agreement, the signatory parties, and
a brief description of each agreement."<br>
<br>
I reiterate this request and would be grateful if you could provide
the information requested without further delay. <br>
<br>
I very much appreciate (and draw your attention to) the input and
support for this information request from my fellow "Chapter
Delegates". <br>
<br>
As a reminder, in U.S. company law, a "supporting organisation" and
a "merged organisation" are not legally the same.<br>
<br>
I am pleased that we all appear to agree that the Internet Society
Foundation is formally a "Section 509(a)(3) Supporting Organisation"
under United States Non Profit Tax Law. <br>
The information from the IRS links below provide helpful "Official
Guidance":<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
<br>
I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2024 17:04, Ilona Levine
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Olivier,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you
for your follow up email. I think the use of the term
"outsourcing" in the email below might have caused some
confusion. You mentioned you are familiar with the
“supporting organizations” and how they operate, but it
might also be helpful for me to provide some additional
background for others.<br>
<br>
As you know, the relationship between supporting and
supported organizations is not a vendor or contractor
relationship. Though the Foundation is a separate
corporation, it is a controlled subsidiary of ISOC, not a
third-party service provider or outside contractor. So
ISOC is not “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead, the
two entities cooperate to achieve the mission of the
Internet Society. In other words, as a supporting
organization, the Foundation’s purpose is to operate for the
benefit of, and to support, ISOC. In furtherance of that
purpose, the Foundation conducts programs and activities
that benefit ISOC and furthers ISOC’s mission. For example,
the Foundation engages in communications activities at the
direction of and to the benefit of ISOC.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As you also
know based on your extensive experience with nonprofits, the
Internet Society Board develops the overall strategy for
ISOC. Internet Society management then develops its action
plan and in turn, works with the Foundation to ensure that
it, as a supporting organization, provides the support
necessary to achieve ISOC’s goals. The Foundation does that
through its own action plan, which sets out objectives for
all of its functions, including the communications
function. So the Board sets the strategy, Internet Society
management creates the action plans, and the Foundation
management allocates resources to support those plans as
necessary.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After the
approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC will share them with
the community. As discussed earlier, part of that will be
Chris presenting to this community how the communications
group will be tackling its work in the upcoming year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"><levine@isoc.org></a>, Ted IETF
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>, Sally Wentworth
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17 September 2024<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding the
definition of the relationship between the Internet Society
and the Internet Society Foundation, in the absence of your
response, I wish to reiterate the need for a clear outsourcing
agreement between these entities. It is recognised as good
business practice internationally to establish such agreements
to delineate respective liabilities in the execution of these
contracts.<br>
<br>
Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal documents,
including agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the two organizations.</i>"<br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not
possible, even in a redacted manner, for whatever reason, then
please provide a list of the agreements to which you refer,
including the date of the agreement, the name of the
agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief description of
each agreement.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
<br>
The thread may not have come all through. During the Chapter
Advisory Council call, Ted mentioned the transfer of some
responsibilities in relation to Communications from the
Internet Society to the Internet Society Foundation. My
initial question to Ted was in regards to the outsourcing
agreement as follows:<br>
<br>
<i>"I was previously unaware of this change. Although the
Internet Society Foundation may have been designated by
the Internet Society as a "supporting organisation" of the
Internet Society, it remains a distinct and separate legal
entity. Therefore, I assume that any "outsourcing" of
responsibilities such as Marketing and/or Communications
would be defined in a written "contract for services"
between the Parties setting out (inter-alia) the terms,
rights, and obligations of each Party. Could you please
provide the terms for such an agreement and any
limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing between
executing the Communications Plan and drafting the
Communications Plan. These are fundamentally different
tasks and would undoubtedly be included in the "contract
for services"".</i>
<br>
<br>
The top level responsibility of the strategy of the Internet
Society remains within the Internet Society. I find it
surprising that an outsourcing entity would be able to
dictate that strategy without it being agreed by the
Internet Society itself.<br>
The Internet Society has the opportunity to outsource the
execution of its Communications Plan to a supporting
organisation on the basis of terms and conditions agreed
between the parties. This requires outsourcing agreement(s)
in order to know where the boundaries and responsibilities
are between the two organisations, including their
respective liabilities in the execution of these
agreement(s).<br>
<br>
For example: <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<h3
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<span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#111111">Key
Components of an Outsourcing Communications Agreement<o:p></o:p></span></h3>
<ol
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<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Introduction and
Definitions</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<ol start="1" type="1">
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style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Clearly define the
parties involved.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Provide definitions for
key terms used throughout the agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Scope of Services</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="2" type="1">
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Detail the specific
services to be outsourced.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include service level
agreements (SLAs) to set performance standards.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Term and
Termination</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="3" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the duration of
the agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline conditions for
termination by either party.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Pricing and
Payment Terms</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="4" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the pricing
structure and payment schedule.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include any penalties
for late payments or performance failures.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Confidentiality
and Data Protection</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="5" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Ensure compliance with
data protection laws.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include confidentiality
clauses to protect sensitive information.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Intellectual
Property Rights</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="6" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Clarify the ownership
of any intellectual property created during the
agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Warranties and
Liability</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="7" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline the warranties
provided by the service provider.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the liability
limits for both parties.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="8" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Monitoring and
Reporting</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="8" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Establish how
performance will be monitored and reported.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include provisions for
regular review meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="9" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Dispute
Resolution</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="9" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the process for
resolving disputes.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include mediation or
arbitration clauses if applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="10" type="1">
<li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Exit Management</span></strong><span
style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<ol start="10" type="1">
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Plan for the transition
of services back to the company or to another
provider.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-family:Roboto">Include provisions for
the transfer of data and assets.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal documents,
including agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the two organizations."<br>
Thus I would be interested in its details as explained in my
email.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona Levine
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear
Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
understand that the nature of your request is to assist
the Chapters Advisory Council and Chris Locke in
preparation to his session on the communication plan.
The agreement in place since 2018 between the Foundation
and Internet Society focuses on the legal obligations in
line with the Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and
therefore, won’t be useful for that purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond
<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 8:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
Ted IETF
<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth
<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for clarifying that all necessary legal
documents, including agreements, have been duly executed
to respect the separate nature of the two organisations.<br>
<br>
I am aware of the publication of the original IETF
Administration LLC agreements with the Internet Society,
specifically:<br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
(2020)</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
Amendment (2020)</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
Amended and Restated (2024)</a><br>
<br>
These documents are accessible on the IETF Administration
LLC’s website at <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
<br>
Could you kindly confirm whether the agreements between
the Foundation and the Internet Society are also publicly
available? I have been unable to locate them on either
website.<br>
<br>
I would appreciate it if you could provide a list of the
agreements to which you refer, including the date of the
agreement, the name of the agreement, the signatory
parties, and a brief description of each agreement.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your kind response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 19:48, Ilona Levine
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi
Olivier, thank you for your follow up email. You
noted that you are aware of the tax requirements that
apply to supporting organizations. Mainly, those
requirements relate to supporting the mission of its
supported entities. In this case, the Internet
Society. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As
part of that support, the Foundation provides grants
to other organizations that have missions consistent
with the Internet Society’s in order to fund programs
that further the Internet Society’s purposes. The
Foundation also engages in activities that support
Internet Society directly. For example, the Foundation
engages in fundraising and communication activities
for the benefit of the Internet Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As you
also pointed out, the Foundation is a separate legal
entity. It is a controlled subsidiary of Internet
Society. All necessary legal documents, including
agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the two organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
trust this answers your question.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond
<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, September 20, 2024 at 11:38 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ted IETF <a
href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>,
Ilona Levine
<a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
Sally Wentworth
<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Ted,<br>
<br>
thank you for your follow-up on this matter. I am aware
of the special tax terms in relation to "supporting
organisations".
<br>
<br>
That being said, the Internet Society Foundation is a
distinct and separate legal entity to the Internet
Society, irrespective of the relationship between them.
As a result, any outsourcing task undertaken by one, for
the other entity, would be defined in a contract,
whether written, verbal or otherwise. If not, there is a
lack of clarity and expectations about the relationship,
which brings potential liability and risk that both
entities are subjected to, in relation to the other's
actions. Any lawyer would tell you that it is highly
advisable to have a written contract, if only for legal
protection.<br>
<br>
Thanks for letting me know that you are travelling. I am
copying President and CEO Sally Wentworth in case you're
unavailable for a length of time.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 13:12, Ted Hardie
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Olivier,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A supporting organization is
a term of art in US tax law, please see:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Explaining how the two
relate is complicated enough that there are
legal briefs on it; I have cc'ed the Society's
chief counsel in case you would like that
level of detail. The summary, however, is
that a supporting organization is a charity
because it supports the charitable purpose of
the main organization. As a result, it can
provide services to the main organization
under the special tax rules noted above.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Note that I am traveling
and will generally be slow to respond for a
few days, but hopefully the links above will
get you started and Ilona can provide more
detailed legal information as needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ted Hardie<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 6:24<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ocl@gih.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ted, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
During this week’s Chapters Advisory Council
call, you mentioned that the Internet
Society Foundation, as a "supporting
organisation" of the Internet Society, is
managing the communications department for
the Internet Society.
<br>
<br>
Upon seeking clarification, you explained
that the Internet Society Foundation
comprises two elements: one philanthropic
(grant-making) and the other as a
"supporting organisation" of the Internet
Society. "This implies that many of the
supporting functions for the Internet
Society as a whole are now part of the
Foundation, primarily because the Foundation
can provide these services to the Internet
Society at no cost".<br>
<br>
You further elaborated that this
"arrangement" allows the Internet Society to
allocate its budget more effectively.<br>
<br>
I was previously unaware of this change.
Although the Internet Society Foundation may
have been designated by the Internet Society
as a "supporting organisation" of the
Internet Society, it remains a distinct and
separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume
that any "outsourcing" of responsibilities
such as Marketing and/or Communications
would be defined in a written "contract for
services" between the Parties setting out
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and
obligations of each Party. Could you please
provide the terms for such an agreement and
any limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing
between executing the Communications Plan
and drafting the Communications Plan. These
are fundamentally different tasks and would
undoubtedly be included in the "contract for
services".
<br>
<br>
The "contract for services" (together with
any relevant supporting information) will be
helpful input for both the Chapters Advisory
Council and also for Chris Locke and his
Team (including for the current "branding"
presentations) in preparation for the
promised session from Chris Locke to the
Chapters Advisory Council. <br>
<br>
I look forward to your response and to
receiving a copy of the "contract for
services" agreement, together with any
relevant supporting information as requested
above.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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