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    Dear Ilona,<br>
    <br>
    thank you for your email dated 10 October 2024.<br>
    <br>
    I am disappointed to note that you have still not provided a
    response with the information requested in my emails appended in the
    email thread below. You will note the extract below from my email
    dated 8 October 2024: <br>
    <br>
    QUOTE: <br>
    "Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal documents,
      including agreements, have been put in place to respect the
      separate nature of the two organizations.</i><br>
    <br>
    All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not possible,
    even in a redacted manner, for whatever reason, then please provide
    a list of the agreements to which you refer, including the date of
    the agreement, the name of the agreement, the signatory parties, and
    a brief description of each agreement."<br>
    <br>
    I reiterate this request and would be grateful if you could provide
    the information requested without further delay. <br>
    <br>
    I very much appreciate (and draw your attention to) the input and
    support for this information request from my fellow "Chapter
    Delegates". <br>
    <br>
    As a reminder, in U.S. company law, a "supporting organisation" and
    a "merged organisation" are not legally the same.<br>
    <br>
    I am pleased that we all appear to agree that the Internet Society
    Foundation is formally a "Section 509(a)(3) Supporting Organisation"
    under United States Non Profit Tax Law. <br>
    The information from the IRS links below provide helpful "Official
    Guidance":<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
    <br>
    I look forward to your prompt response.<br>
    <br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2024 17:04, Ilona Levine
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Olivier,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you
            for your follow up email. I think the use of the term
            "outsourcing" in the email below might have caused some
            confusion.  You mentioned you are familiar with the
            “supporting organizations” and how they operate, but it
            might also be helpful for me to provide some additional
            background for others.<br>
            <br>
            As you know, the relationship between supporting and
            supported organizations is not a vendor or contractor
            relationship. Though the Foundation is a separate
            corporation, it is a controlled subsidiary of ISOC, not a
            third-party service provider or outside contractor.  So
            ISOC is not “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead, the
            two entities cooperate to achieve the mission of the
            Internet Society.  In other words, as a supporting
            organization, the Foundation’s purpose is to operate for the
            benefit of, and to support, ISOC. In furtherance of that
            purpose, the Foundation conducts programs and activities
            that benefit ISOC and furthers ISOC’s mission. For example,
            the Foundation engages in communications activities at the
            direction of and to the benefit of ISOC.<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As you also
            know based on your extensive experience with nonprofits, the
            Internet Society Board develops the overall strategy for
            ISOC. Internet Society management then develops its action
            plan and in turn, works with the Foundation to ensure that
            it, as a supporting organization, provides the support
            necessary to achieve ISOC’s goals. The Foundation does that
            through its own action plan, which sets out objectives for
            all of its functions, including the communications
            function.  So the Board sets the strategy, Internet Society
            management creates the action plans, and the Foundation
            management allocates resources to support those plans as
            necessary.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After the
            approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC will share them with
            the community.  As discussed earlier, part of that will be
            Chris presenting to this community how the communications
            group will be tackling its work in the upcoming year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
            regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
              </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
              MJ Crépin-Leblond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47 AM<br>
              <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"><levine@isoc.org></a>, Ted IETF
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>, Sally Wentworth
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
              Council Meeting of 17 September 2024<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Ilona,<br>
          <br>
          Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding the
          definition of the relationship between the Internet Society
          and the Internet Society Foundation, in the absence of your
          response, I wish to reiterate the need for a clear outsourcing
          agreement between these entities. It is recognised as good
          business practice internationally to establish such agreements
          to delineate respective liabilities in the execution of these
          contracts.<br>
          <br>
          Responding to your note: "<i>All necessary legal documents,
            including agreements, have been put in place to respect the
            separate nature of the two organizations.</i>"<br>
          <br>
          All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not
          possible, even in a redacted manner, for whatever reason, then
          please provide a list of the agreements to which you refer,
          including the date of the agreement, the name of the
          agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief description of
          each agreement.<br>
          <br>
          Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
          <br>
          Kindest regards,<br>
          <br>
          Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier MJ
            Crépin-Leblond wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ilona,<br>
            <br>
            Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
            <br>
            The thread may not have come all through. During the Chapter
            Advisory Council call, Ted mentioned the transfer of some
            responsibilities in relation to Communications from the
            Internet Society to the Internet Society Foundation. My
            initial question to Ted was in regards to the outsourcing
            agreement as follows:<br>
            <br>
            <i>"I was previously unaware of this change. Although the
              Internet Society Foundation may have been designated by
              the Internet Society as a "supporting organisation" of the
              Internet Society, it remains a distinct and separate legal
              entity. Therefore, I assume that any "outsourcing" of
              responsibilities such as Marketing and/or Communications
              would be defined in a written "contract for services"
              between the Parties setting out (inter-alia) the terms,
              rights, and obligations of each Party. Could you please
              provide the terms for such an agreement and any
              limitations therein?<br>
              <br>
              My principal concern lies in distinguishing between
              executing the Communications Plan and drafting the
              Communications Plan. These are fundamentally different
              tasks and would undoubtedly be included in the "contract
              for services"".</i>
            <br>
            <br>
            The top level responsibility of the strategy of the Internet
            Society remains within the Internet Society. I find it
            surprising that an outsourcing entity would be able to
            dictate that strategy without it being agreed by the
            Internet Society itself.<br>
            The Internet Society has the opportunity to outsource the
            execution of its Communications Plan to a supporting
            organisation on the basis of terms and conditions agreed
            between the parties. This requires outsourcing agreement(s)
            in order to know where the boundaries and responsibilities
            are between the two organisations, including their
            respective liabilities in the execution of these
            agreement(s).<br>
            <br>
            For example: <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#111111">Key
              Components of an Outsourcing Communications Agreement<o:p></o:p></span></h3>
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style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Introduction and
                  Definitions</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="1" type="1">
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                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Clearly define the
                  parties involved.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Provide definitions for
                  key terms used throughout the agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
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            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Scope of Services</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="2" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Detail the specific
                  services to be outsourced.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include service level
                  agreements (SLAs) to set performance standards.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Term and
                  Termination</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="3" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the duration of
                  the agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline conditions for
                  termination by either party.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Pricing and
                  Payment Terms</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="4" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the pricing
                  structure and payment schedule.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include any penalties
                  for late payments or performance failures.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Confidentiality
                  and Data Protection</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="5" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Ensure compliance with
                  data protection laws.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include confidentiality
                  clauses to protect sensitive information.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Intellectual
                  Property Rights</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="6" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Clarify the ownership
                  of any intellectual property created during the
                  agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Warranties and
                  Liability</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="7" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Outline the warranties
                  provided by the service provider.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Define the liability
                  limits for both parties.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="8" type="1">
            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Monitoring and
                  Reporting</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="8" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Establish how
                  performance will be monitored and reported.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include provisions for
                  regular review meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="9" type="1">
            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Dispute
                  Resolution</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="9" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Specify the process for
                  resolving disputes.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include mediation or
                  arbitration clauses if applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="10" type="1">
            <li
style="color:#111111;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
              <strong><span style="font-family:Roboto">Exit Management</span></strong><span
                style="font-family:Roboto">:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <ol start="10" type="1">
            <ul type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Plan for the transition
                  of services back to the company or to another
                  provider.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#111111;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
                <span style="font-family:Roboto">Include provisions for
                  the transfer of data and assets.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ul>
          </ol>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
            <br>
            I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal documents,
            including agreements, have been put in place to respect the
            separate nature of the two organizations."<br>
            Thus I would be interested in its details as explained in my
            email.<br>
            <br>
            Kindest regards,<br>
            <br>
            Olivier<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona Levine
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear
                Olivier,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
                understand that the nature of your request is to assist
                the Chapters Advisory Council and Chris Locke in
                preparation to his session on the communication plan.
                The agreement in place since 2018 between the Foundation
                and Internet Society focuses on the legal obligations in
                line with the Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and
                therefore, won’t be useful for that purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
                regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
                  </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
                  MJ Crépin-Leblond
                  <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                  <b>Date: </b>Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 8:52 AM<br>
                  <b>To: </b>Ilona Levine <a
                    href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a>,
                  Ted IETF
                  <a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a><br>
                  <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
                    href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
                  Sally Wentworth
                  <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                  <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
                  Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
              Ilona,<br>
              <br>
              thank you for clarifying that all necessary legal
              documents, including agreements, have been duly executed
              to respect the separate nature of the two organisations.<br>
              <br>
              I am aware of the publication of the original IETF
              Administration LLC agreements with the Internet Society,
              specifically:<br>
              <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
                moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
                (2020)</a><br>
              <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
                moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
                Amendment (2020)</a><br>
              <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
                moz-do-not-send="true">IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement
                Amended and Restated (2024)</a><br>
              <br>
              These documents are accessible on the IETF Administration
              LLC’s website at <a
                href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
                https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
              <br>
              Could you kindly confirm whether the agreements between
              the Foundation and the Internet Society are also publicly
              available? I have been unable to locate them on either
              website.<br>
              <br>
              I would appreciate it if you could provide a list of the
              agreements to which you refer, including the date of the
              agreement, the name of the agreement, the signatory
              parties, and a brief description of each agreement.<br>
              <br>
              I look forward to your kind response.<br>
              <br>
              Kindest regards,<br>
              <br>
              Olivier<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 19:48, Ilona Levine
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi
                  Olivier, thank you for your follow up email.  You
                  noted that you are aware of the tax requirements that
                  apply to supporting organizations.  Mainly, those
                  requirements relate to supporting the mission of its
                  supported entities.  In this case, the Internet
                  Society.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As
                  part of that support, the Foundation provides grants
                  to other organizations that have missions consistent
                  with the Internet Society’s in order to fund programs
                  that further the Internet Society’s purposes. The
                  Foundation also engages in activities that support
                  Internet Society directly. For example, the Foundation
                  engages in fundraising and communication activities
                  for the benefit of the Internet Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As you
                  also pointed out, the Foundation is a separate legal
                  entity.  It is a controlled subsidiary of Internet
                  Society.  All necessary legal documents, including
                  agreements, have been put in place to respect the
                  separate nature of the two organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
                  trust this answers your question.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
                  regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ilona</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white">Ilona
                        Levine,</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white"> SVP,
                      General Counsel and Corporate Secretary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C;background:white"><a
                        href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                        title="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563C1">levine@isoc.org</span></a>|
                    </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hind Regular";color:#0C1C2C"><br>
                      <span style="background:white">internetsociety.org
                        | @internetsociety</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="line-height:13.5pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red"><a
                        href="https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ" target="_blank"
                        title="https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;color:red">Donate
                          today.</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="line-height:13.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;color:red">Help
                        protect the Internet for everyone.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><img
                        border="0" width="68" height="34"
                        style="width:.7083in;height:.3541in"
                        id="Picture_x0020_1"
                        src="cid:part1.kSDs8S2H.4183ACDi@gih.com"
alt="https://backchannel.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/image001.png"
                        class=""></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This
                      communication is the property of the Internet
                      Society and may contain confidential or privileged
                      information.  Unauthorized use of this
                      communication is strictly prohibited.  If you have
                      received it in error, please notify the sender by
                      reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the
                      communication and any attachments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
                    </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Olivier
                    MJ Crépin-Leblond
                    <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Friday, September 20, 2024 at 11:38 AM<br>
                    <b>To: </b>Ted IETF <a
                      href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><ted.ietf@gmail.com></a>,
                    Ilona Levine
                    <a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><levine@isoc.org></a><br>
                    <b>Cc: </b>Chapter Delegates <a
                      href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>,
                    Sally Wentworth
                    <a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><wentworth@isoc.org></a><br>
                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
                    Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
                Ted,<br>
                <br>
                thank you for your follow-up on this matter. I am aware
                of the special tax terms in relation to "supporting
                organisations".
                <br>
                <br>
                That being said, the Internet Society Foundation is a
                distinct and separate legal entity to the Internet
                Society, irrespective of the relationship between them.
                As a result, any outsourcing task undertaken by one, for
                the other entity, would be defined in a contract,
                whether written, verbal or otherwise. If not, there is a
                lack of clarity and expectations about the relationship,
                which brings potential liability and risk that both
                entities are subjected to, in relation to the other's
                actions. Any lawyer would tell you that it is highly
                advisable to have a written contract, if only for legal
                protection.<br>
                <br>
                Thanks for letting me know that you are travelling. I am
                copying President and CEO Sally Wentworth in case you're
                unavailable for a length of time.<br>
                <br>
                Kindest regards,<br>
                <br>
                Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2024 13:12, Ted Hardie
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Olivier,<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">A supporting organization is
                        a term of art in US tax law, please see:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Explaining how the two
                          relate is complicated enough that there are
                          legal briefs on it; I have cc'ed the Society's
                          chief counsel in case you would like that
                          level of detail.  The summary, however, is
                          that a supporting organization is a charity
                          because it supports the charitable purpose of
                          the main organization.  As a result, it can
                          provide services to the main organization
                          under the special tax rules noted above.
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Note that I am traveling
                          and will generally be slow to respond for a
                          few days, but hopefully the links above will
                          get you started and Ilona can provide more
                          detailed legal information as needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Ted Hardie<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 6:24<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Olivier MJ
                        Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ted, <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            During this week’s Chapters Advisory Council
                            call, you mentioned that the Internet
                            Society Foundation, as a "supporting
                            organisation" of the Internet Society, is
                            managing the communications department for
                            the Internet Society.
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                            Upon seeking clarification, you explained
                            that the Internet Society Foundation
                            comprises two elements: one philanthropic
                            (grant-making) and the other as a
                            "supporting organisation" of the Internet
                            Society. "This implies that many of the
                            supporting functions for the Internet
                            Society as a whole are now part of the
                            Foundation, primarily because the Foundation
                            can provide these services to the Internet
                            Society at no cost".<br>
                            <br>
                            You further elaborated that this
                            "arrangement" allows the Internet Society to
                            allocate its budget more effectively.<br>
                            <br>
                            I was previously unaware of this change.
                            Although the Internet Society Foundation may
                            have been designated by the Internet Society
                            as a "supporting organisation" of the
                            Internet Society, it remains a distinct and
                            separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume
                            that any "outsourcing" of responsibilities
                            such as Marketing and/or Communications
                            would be defined in a written "contract for
                            services" between the Parties setting out
                            (inter-alia) the terms, rights, and
                            obligations of each Party. Could you please
                            provide the terms for such an agreement and
                            any limitations therein?<br>
                            <br>
                            My principal concern lies in distinguishing
                            between executing the Communications Plan
                            and drafting the Communications Plan. These
                            are fundamentally different tasks and would
                            undoubtedly be included in the "contract for
                            services".
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                            The "contract for services" (together with
                            any relevant supporting information) will be
                            helpful input for both the Chapters Advisory
                            Council and also for Chris Locke and his
                            Team (including for the current "branding"
                            presentations) in preparation for the
                            promised session from Chris Locke to the
                            Chapters Advisory Council. <br>
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                            I look forward to your response and to
                            receiving a copy of the "contract for
                            services" agreement, together with any
                            relevant supporting information as requested
                            above.<br>
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                            Kindest regards,<br>
                            <br>
                            Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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