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Dear Chris,<br>
<br>
many thanks for your email. I very much appreciate your enthusiasm
in addressing key issues.<br>
<br>
You have correctly identified that there is a major issue relating
to Trust. However, I would raise a second key issue which relates to
Legitimacy and both of these issues need to be addressed before the
Internet Society Foundation and other Internet Society Organisations
can move forward from the present situation. <br>
<br>
I am delighted that you are going to present at the Chapters
Advisory Council on 28th October 2024 and hope that you will be able
to integrate both the points of Trust and Legitimacy in your
presentation.<br>
<br>
1. You will have seen my response to Ilona Levine earlier in the
day. You will see that there is a Common Ground that the Internet
Society Foundation is a Not-For-Profit Supporting Organisation
509(a)3. But the link between the Supporting Organisation and the
Supported Organisation in <b>Company law</b> is a different matter.
In reading the thread I have had with Ilona Levine and others, there
appears to be a confusion between the two.<br>
<br>
A supporting organisation typically needs to have operational
contracts or agreements with its supported organisation to ensure
that it is operating exclusively for the benefit of the supported
organisation. These contracts outline the specific activities,
responsibilities, and expectations of both parties to maintain
compliance with IRS requirements.<br>
<br>
2. There is a distinction between "The Community" and "The
Chapters".<br>
<br>
Chapters are part of the "Supported Entities" - an integral part of
the Internet Society ecosystem - and have a role in terms of the
delivery of services from the Supporting Organisations. They are
defined in the Internet Society Bylaws. They appoint a number of
Board Members. <br>
The wider "Community" of, still undefined "members" (even though we
are constantly reminded by Management and Board that the Internet
Society is not a membership organisation), has no power whatsoever
in Internet Society matters.<br>
<br>
One of the issues which has caused the breakdown of Trust is that,
since 2016, the Chapters have seen, "as if by magic", the
destruction of the Chapter infrastructure and resources, for example
the closing of the Regional Offices, the change of "Core Staff", the
hacking-out of activities in which Chapters were involved, such as
MANRS or the efforts on Consumer IoT, the top-down parallel staff
activities relating to Advocacy and, to top the lot, the loss of
funding for ISOC.LIVE and ISOC Live Archives. There has been a
significant shift in the Internet Society's direction since 2016,
not brought bottom-up up by the wider Internet Society Communities,
but top-down by Management, and this is best shown by examining the
changes in the funding flows between 2016 (pre-changes) and 2022,
which is the last financial information that is currently publicly
available.<br>
<br>
This is best shown in a snapshot of funding flows from 2016:<br>
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And a snapshot of funding flows from 2022:<br>
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height="515"><br>
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Chapters stand to be the big losers here, from having a Community
Support Budget in excess of $8M in 2016, to a Community Support
Budget that's now been fragmented into a myriad of streams that may
or may not be related to Chapters and struggle to add up to $1M.<br>
<br>
In the re-organisation that defined each Internet Society expense as
a "Project", all of the aspects of "Good Governance" are missing.
With only summary financials being published, much less detailed
than ten years ago, one needs to analyse the Form 990 submissions of
each organisation to have any idea of what is happening at the
Internet Society and the Internet Society Foundation and the "black
box" nature of Internet Society re-organisation is emphasized to the
point that the Internet Society is losing Trust and Legitimacy, and
admittedly, also support from many Chapters who are asking
themselves "what is going on"?<br>
<br>
For you Chris in your position as the relatively new appointed
Executive Vice President and Managing Director of the Internet
Society Foundation, it is also in your interest that these matters
be addressed not least from the point of view of your
"philanthropy", as well as your "supporting" responsibilities,
(especially as a respected Marketing Professional). Branding runs a
mile and the success of the Internet Society Foundation fundraising
campaigns is directly related to the Trust and Legitimacy which
underpins the Organisation as a whole.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/10/2024 11:21, Christopher Locke
via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks everyone for the ongoing discussion, and
as I said I’ll be attending the Chapter Advisory call at the
invite of Cheryl on October 28th and I’ll be happy to go
through all of these points and take as many questions as
possible, including on our plans to better support chapters,
creating an archive for past and future content, etc. I’m
happy to engage and will visit chapters whenever I can - as I
did recently on a trip to Bogotá to see fifty amazing
graduates of our DDCN training program and seeing how the
chapter has worked well with local partners to create
internships for graduates.<span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">In the four months I’ve been here so far this
list has been an instructive way for me to understand how
trust has broken down between some chapter members and ISOC.
But it’s my intention and Sally’s strategy to focus squarely
on our community, and I hope you’ll agree as we roll out the
2030 strategy starting next year.<span></span><span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">We do a huge amount to support Chapters and our
broader community with grants, training, and many other
resources. Massive amounts of my team and budget are dedicated
to that. And outside of the particular issue that this
discussion is focused on - which I’m committed to s<span
style="font-size: inherit;">olving - we have a great
relationship with our chapters and are funding programs all
over the world. Much of this doesn’t get discussed on</span><span
style="font-size: inherit;"> this list at the moment, but
I’d like us to celebrate the great work we’re supporting
Chapters to do as well as quite rightly raising issues where
they exist.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>I’m looking forward to speaking to everyone
on the 28th and in the meantime will continue to speak to as
many Chapter members as I<span> can to understand more about
how we work together. But what I’m looking forward to most
in my new role is what impact we can have together as a
global community, and earning the trust of that community
in what we do and the support we offer.<span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span></span><span></span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span>Best, Chris </span></span></div>
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style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
Chapter-delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org></a> on behalf of
Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 12, 2024 12:03:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Follow-up on Chapters
Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024</font>
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<p>+1 Joel, Doug, Christian, Hank, Eduardo, and most especially
to Olivier. <br>
</p>
<p>Others have already pointed-out that $64,000/year is a very
reasonable outlay for the scope and quality of the work that
Joly was doing. What would be the cost of an entire Comms team
doing that work, or if this work were to be outsourced to yet
another tech company (like SalesForce.com for a "product" like
Fonteva)?</p>
<p>But we are told that we can still have the work done --
simply apply for a BTN grant. Well, now we know that ISOC-NY
did apply for a one-time grant to archive and save about 800
livestream videos. The result? ISOC Foundation rejected this
<b>tiny, minuscule</b> Beyond the Net application, the reason
given by ISOC Foundation was: "<i>the total number of requests
we receive exceed the amount of funding we have available
and we must select projects most closely aligned to the
goals of our Foundation</i>". A paltry $1K -- not aligned
with goals? <br>
</p>
<p>That, ladies and gents, says a lot about the state ISOC (HQ)
is in nowadays. <br>
</p>
<p>WYn<br>
PH<br>
<br>
</p>
<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2024 7:56 PM, Joel
Okomoli via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Frazier! and +1,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This attitude is spread across the various programs run
by ISOC! We have seen fellows and travel fellowships being
awarded to very strange fellows who do not even understand
the Mission and Vision of ISOC! </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The outcome is that the said fellows ride on such funds
then quickly disappear without trace! Occasionally they
pop up - as staff and then you begin to see the
connection. This is a small world and it looks like our
former CEO entrenched the culture. I believe any openings
in this ecosystem should be given to the active
volunteers! That is what will grow The Internet Society. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My observation, I could be wrong. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Joel Okomoli </div>
<div>ISOC Kenya Chapter. <br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at
1:37 PM b1harlem nyc via Chapter-delegates <<a
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div dir="auto">That's exactly what I was thinking as
well.. we have a situation where the non volunteers are
dictating what is being done with allocation of
resources. And just refusing to acknowledge they are
wrong on this and maybe being a penny wise and a pound
foolish.
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">First we are treated to fancy
intelligent parsing and explaining (by non
volunteers) as to why( volunteers) cannot have 64
000 dollars to document chapter efforts by
volunteers! </div>
<div dir="auto">Mostly because they (non volunteers)
said so!</div>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> When that was challenged we were
treated to fancy legal explanations courtesy of
the non volunteer legal attorney..when challenged
by Oliver's well thought out logical response we
got legal obsification...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> Most enlightening though of the we
versus they attitude of the you guess it (non
volunteers) was the revelation that 5 million
dollars of internt society monies was given to
some private group (non volunteer of course)</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> When Oliver and others asked about
how the non volunteers transferred
gifted..allocated ..awarded 5 .million dollars to
another non volunteer group while denying the
volunteers request for 64000 dollars for
documentation of chapter work </div>
<div dir="auto">We were informed by (non voluteer
attorney) you dont need to see any documents
regarding that, nothing to see here!.. (again
because the non volunteers lawyer said so) when
that didnt work and she was challenged by non
volunteers...we given More fancy legal word salad
with </div>
<div dir="auto"> obsification on the side just for
good measure...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Insert lyrics from well known song
"you thought I was a donut you tried to glaze me"</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">We should see this as a teaching
moment as a proud member of the nyc chapter we see
this circular demeaning paternalistic logic all
the time in our work with the residents of the nyc
housing authority... the largest in the country </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The people who live there are
ignored by and on every turn by the same set up as
we have here ..thier concerns are meet by the same
platitudes and responses that always deliver the
same message only we (non volunteers/non
residents in both instances) and we only have the
only good ideas and how dare you question
that..and think we are going to listen to you!..</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">We (non volunteers) will circle the
wagons and protect the non volunteers and forget
the fact that the</div>
<div dir="auto">Volunteers are the heart and sole of
any society including the internet...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This happens more the we all
probably think .</div>
<div dir="auto">Notice the resistance over something
so obvious and they cannot solve it without trying
not to loose face and protect previous decisions
thereby appearing to have no regard or even
realizing we are supposed to be and act like a
team and we they are not!! </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This is the seeds of devisiveness
when you have no regard for your teammates
...point blank full stop</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">OK none can say we were not told!</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Doug Frazier</div>
<div dir="auto">Proud Board Member and Volunteer of
the nyc Chapter</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11,
2024, 05:10 Christian de Larrinaga via
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<br>
That's not the issue if I've understood what people
are asking. The<br>
message appears to be ISOC is looking increasingly
like a "black box" to<br>
the community saying it is treated as consumers rather
than as an<br>
integral part of the decision and governance making
process.<br>
<br>
<br>
vinton cerf via Chapter-delegates <<a
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writes:<br>
<br>
The foundation is formally a supporting organization
under nonprofit tax<br>
law.<br>
V<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:35 Eduardo Diaz via
Chapter-delegates <<br>
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chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a> wrote:<br>
<br>
IIona:<br>
<br>
From your email, I understand there is no formal
"contract for services"<br>
between ISOC and the ISOC Foundation. Is my
interpretation correct?<br>
<br>
-ed<br>
ISOC Puerto Rico<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 12:04 PM Ilona Levine via
Chapter-delegates <<br>
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chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a> wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Olivier,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your follow up email. I think the use
of the term<br>
"outsourcing" in the email below might have caused
some confusion. You<br>
mentioned you are familiar with the “supporting
organizations” and how they<br>
operate, but it might also be helpful for me to
provide some additional<br>
background for others.<br>
<br>
As you know, the relationship between supporting and
supported<br>
organizations is not a vendor or contractor
relationship. Though<br>
the Foundation is a separate corporation, it is a
controlled subsidiary of<br>
ISOC, not a third-party service provider or outside
contractor. So ISOC is<br>
not “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead, the
two entities cooperate<br>
to achieve the mission of the Internet Society. In
other words, as a<br>
supporting organization, the Foundation’s purpose is
to operate for the<br>
benefit of, and to support, ISOC. In furtherance of
that purpose, the<br>
Foundation conducts programs and activities that
benefit ISOC and furthers<br>
ISOC’s mission. For example, the Foundation engages
in communications<br>
activities at the direction of and to the benefit of
ISOC.<br>
<br>
As you also know based on your extensive experience
with nonprofits, the<br>
Internet Society Board develops the overall strategy
for ISOC. Internet<br>
Society management then develops its action plan and
in turn, works with<br>
the Foundation to ensure that it, as a supporting
organization, provides<br>
the support necessary to achieve ISOC’s goals. The
Foundation does that<br>
through its own action plan, which sets out
objectives for all of its<br>
functions, including the communications function.
So the Board sets the<br>
strategy, Internet Society management creates the
action plans, and the<br>
Foundation management allocates resources to support
those plans as<br>
necessary.<br>
<br>
After the approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC
will share them with<br>
the community. As discussed earlier, part of that
will be Chris presenting<br>
to this community how the communications group will
be tackling its work in<br>
the upcoming year.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
<br>
*From: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a
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*Date: *Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47 AM<br>
*To: *Ilona Levine <<a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">levine@isoc.org</a>, Ted IETF
<<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">ted.ietf@gmail.com</a><br>
*Cc: *Chapter Delegates <<a
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class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>,
Sally<br>
Wentworth <<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding
the definition of the<br>
relationship between the Internet Society and the
Internet Society<br>
Foundation, in the absence of your response, I wish
to reiterate the need<br>
for a clear outsourcing agreement between these
entities. It is recognised<br>
as good business practice internationally to
establish such agreements to<br>
delineate respective liabilities in the execution of
these contracts.<br>
<br>
Responding to your note: "*All necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organizations.*"<br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is
not possible, even<br>
in a redacted manner, for whatever reason, then
please provide a list of<br>
the agreements to which you refer, including the
date of the agreement, the<br>
name of the agreement, the signatory parties, and a
brief description of<br>
each agreement.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
<br>
The thread may not have come all through. During the
Chapter Advisory<br>
Council call, Ted mentioned the transfer of some
responsibilities in<br>
relation to Communications from the Internet Society
to the Internet<br>
Society Foundation. My initial question to Ted was
in regards to the<br>
outsourcing agreement as follows:<br>
<br>
*"I was previously unaware of this change. Although
the Internet Society<br>
Foundation may have been designated by the Internet
Society as a<br>
"supporting organisation" of the Internet Society,
it remains a distinct<br>
and separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume that
any "outsourcing" of<br>
responsibilities such as Marketing and/or
Communications would be defined<br>
in a written "contract for services" between the
Parties setting out<br>
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and obligations of
each Party. Could you<br>
please provide the terms for such an agreement and
any limitations therein?<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing between
executing the<br>
Communications Plan and drafting the Communications
Plan. These are<br>
fundamentally different tasks and would undoubtedly
be included in the<br>
"contract for services"".*<br>
<br>
The top level responsibility of the strategy of the
Internet Society<br>
remains within the Internet Society. I find it
surprising that an<br>
outsourcing entity would be able to dictate that
strategy without it being<br>
agreed by the Internet Society itself.<br>
The Internet Society has the opportunity to
outsource the execution of<br>
its Communications Plan to a supporting organisation
on the basis of terms<br>
and conditions agreed between the parties. This
requires outsourcing<br>
agreement(s) in order to know where the boundaries
and responsibilities are<br>
between the two organisations, including their
respective liabilities in<br>
the execution of these agreement(s).<br>
<br>
For example:<br>
<br>
Key Components of an Outsourcing Communications
Agreement<br>
<br>
1. *Introduction and Definitions*:<br>
- Clearly define the parties involved.<br>
- Provide definitions for key terms used
throughout the agreement.<br>
<br>
2. *Scope of Services*:<br>
- Detail the specific services to be
outsourced.<br>
- Include service level agreements (SLAs) to
set performance<br>
standards.<br>
<br>
3. *Term and Termination*:<br>
- Specify the duration of the agreement.<br>
- Outline conditions for termination by either
party.<br>
<br>
4. *Pricing and Payment Terms*:<br>
- Define the pricing structure and payment
schedule.<br>
- Include any penalties for late payments or
performance failures.<br>
<br>
5. *Confidentiality and Data Protection*:<br>
- Ensure compliance with data protection laws.<br>
- Include confidentiality clauses to protect
sensitive information.<br>
<br>
6. *Intellectual Property Rights*:<br>
- Clarify the ownership of any intellectual
property created during<br>
the agreement.<br>
<br>
7. *Warranties and Liability*:<br>
- Outline the warranties provided by the
service provider.<br>
- Define the liability limits for both parties.<br>
<br>
8. *Monitoring and Reporting*:<br>
- Establish how performance will be monitored
and reported.<br>
- Include provisions for regular review
meetings.<br>
<br>
9. *Dispute Resolution*:<br>
- Specify the process for resolving disputes.<br>
- Include mediation or arbitration clauses if
applicable.<br>
<br>
10. *Exit Management*:<br>
- Plan for the transition of services back to
the company or to<br>
another provider.<br>
- Include provisions for the transfer of data
and assets.<br>
<br>
I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organizations."<br>
<br>
Thus I would be interested in its details as
explained in my email.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona Levine wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Olivier,<br>
<br>
I understand that the nature of your request is to
assist the Chapters<br>
Advisory Council and Chris Locke in preparation to
his session on the<br>
communication plan. The agreement in place since
2018 between the<br>
Foundation and Internet Society focuses on the legal
obligations in line<br>
with the Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and
therefore, won’t be useful<br>
for that purpose.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
<br>
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*Date: *Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 8:52 AM<br>
*To: *Ilona Levine <<a
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for clarifying that all necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been duly executed to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organisations.<br>
<br>
I am aware of the publication of the original IETF
Administration LLC<br>
agreements with the Internet Society, specifically:<br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement (2020)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf</a><br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement Amendment (2020)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf</a><br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement Amended and Restated
(2024)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf</a><br>
<br>
These documents are accessible on the IETF
Administration LLC’s website<br>
at <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
<br>
Could you kindly confirm whether the agreements
between the Foundation<br>
and the Internet Society are also publicly
available? I have been unable to<br>
locate them on either website.<br>
<br>
I would appreciate it if you could provide a list of
the agreements to<br>
which you refer, including the date of the
agreement, the name of the<br>
agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief
description of each agreement.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your kind response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/09/2024 19:48, Ilona Levine wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Olivier, thank you for your follow up email. You
noted that you are<br>
aware of the tax requirements that apply to
supporting organizations.<br>
Mainly, those requirements relate to supporting the
mission of its<br>
supported entities. In this case, the Internet
Society.<br>
<br>
As part of that support, the Foundation provides
grants to other<br>
organizations that have missions consistent with the
Internet Society’s in<br>
order to fund programs that further the Internet
Society’s purposes. The<br>
Foundation also engages in activities that support
Internet Society<br>
directly. For example, the Foundation engages in
fundraising and<br>
communication activities for the benefit of the
Internet Society.<br>
<br>
As you also pointed out, the Foundation is a
separate legal entity. It<br>
is a controlled subsidiary of Internet Society. All
necessary legal<br>
documents, including agreements, have been put in
place to respect the<br>
separate nature of the two organizations.<br>
<br>
I trust this answers your question.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
*Ilona Levine,* SVP, General Counsel and Corporate
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*Date: *Friday, September 20, 2024 at 11:38 AM<br>
*To: *Ted IETF <<a
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
Council Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ted,<br>
<br>
thank you for your follow-up on this matter. I am
aware of the special<br>
tax terms in relation to "supporting organisations".<br>
<br>
That being said, the Internet Society Foundation is
a distinct and<br>
separate legal entity to the Internet Society,
irrespective of the<br>
relationship between them. As a result, any
outsourcing task undertaken by<br>
one, for the other entity, would be defined in a
contract, whether written,<br>
verbal or otherwise. If not, there is a lack of
clarity and expectations<br>
about the relationship, which brings potential
liability and risk that both<br>
entities are subjected to, in relation to the
other's actions. Any lawyer<br>
would tell you that it is highly advisable to have a
written contract, if<br>
only for legal protection.<br>
<br>
Thanks for letting me know that you are travelling.
I am copying<br>
President and CEO Sally Wentworth in case you're
unavailable for a length<br>
of time.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/09/2024 13:12, Ted Hardie wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Olivier,<br>
<br>
A supporting organization is a term of art in US tax
law, please see:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
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moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
<br>
and<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
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https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
<br>
Explaining how the two relate is complicated enough
that there are legal<br>
briefs on it; I have cc'ed the Society's chief
counsel in case you would<br>
like that level of detail. The summary, however, is
that a supporting<br>
organization is a charity because it supports the
charitable purpose of the<br>
main organization. As a result, it can provide
services to the main<br>
organization under the special tax rules noted
above.<br>
<br>
Note that I am traveling and will generally be slow
to respond for a few<br>
days, but hopefully the links above will get you
started and Ilona can<br>
provide more detailed legal information as needed.<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
<br>
Ted Hardie<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 6:24 AM Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"
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moz-do-not-send="true">ocl@gih.com</a><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Ted,<br>
<br>
During this week’s Chapters Advisory Council call,
you mentioned that the<br>
Internet Society Foundation, as a "supporting
organisation" of the Internet<br>
Society, is managing the communications department
for the Internet<br>
Society.<br>
<br>
Upon seeking clarification, you explained that the
Internet Society<br>
Foundation comprises two elements: one philanthropic
(grant-making) and the<br>
other as a "supporting organisation" of the Internet
Society. "This implies<br>
that many of the supporting functions for the
Internet Society as a whole<br>
are now part of the Foundation, primarily because
the Foundation can<br>
provide these services to the Internet Society at no
cost".<br>
<br>
You further elaborated that this "arrangement"
allows the Internet<br>
Society to allocate its budget more effectively.<br>
<br>
I was previously unaware of this change. Although
the Internet Society<br>
Foundation may have been designated by the Internet
Society as a<br>
"supporting organisation" of the Internet Society,
it remains a distinct<br>
and separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume that
any "outsourcing" of<br>
responsibilities such as Marketing and/or
Communications would be defined<br>
in a written "contract for services" between the
Parties setting out<br>
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and obligations of
each Party. Could you<br>
please provide the terms for such an agreement and
any limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing between
executing the<br>
Communications Plan and drafting the Communications
Plan. These are<br>
fundamentally different tasks and would undoubtedly
be included in the<br>
"contract for services".<br>
<br>
The "contract for services" (together with any
relevant supporting<br>
information) will be helpful input for both the
Chapters Advisory Council<br>
and also for Chris Locke and his Team (including for
the current "branding"<br>
presentations) in preparation for the promised
session from Chris Locke to<br>
the Chapters Advisory Council.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your response and to receiving a
copy of the "contract<br>
for services" agreement, together with any relevant
supporting information<br>
as requested above.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
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