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<p>+1 Joel, Doug, Christian, Hank, Eduardo, and most especially to
Olivier. <br>
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<p>Others have already pointed-out that $64,000/year is a very
reasonable outlay for the scope and quality of the work that Joly
was doing. What would be the cost of an entire Comms team doing
that work, or if this work were to be outsourced to yet another
tech company (like SalesForce.com for a "product" like Fonteva)?</p>
<p>But we are told that we can still have the work done -- simply
apply for a BTN grant. Well, now we know that ISOC-NY did apply
for a one-time grant to archive and save about 800 livestream
videos. The result? ISOC Foundation rejected this <b>tiny,
minuscule</b> Beyond the Net application, the reason given by
ISOC Foundation was: "<i>the total number of requests we receive
exceed the amount of funding we have available and we must
select projects most closely aligned to the goals of our
Foundation</i>". A paltry $1K -- not aligned with goals? <br>
</p>
<p>That, ladies and gents, says a lot about the state ISOC (HQ) is
in nowadays. <br>
</p>
<p>WYn<br>
PH<br>
<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2024 7:56 PM, Joel Okomoli via
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Frazier! and +1,
<div><br>
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<div>This attitude is spread across the various programs run by
ISOC! We have seen fellows and travel fellowships being
awarded to very strange fellows who do not even understand the
Mission and Vision of ISOC! </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The outcome is that the said fellows ride on such funds
then quickly disappear without trace! Occasionally they pop up
- as staff and then you begin to see the connection. This is a
small world and it looks like our former CEO entrenched the
culture. I believe any openings in this ecosystem should be
given to the active volunteers! That is what will grow The
Internet Society. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My observation, I could be wrong. </div>
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<div>Joel Okomoli </div>
<div>ISOC Kenya Chapter. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at
1:37 PM b1harlem nyc via Chapter-delegates <<a
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<div dir="auto">That's exactly what I was thinking as well..
we have a situation where the non volunteers are dictating
what is being done with allocation of resources. And just
refusing to acknowledge they are wrong on this and maybe
being a penny wise and a pound foolish.
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">First we are treated to fancy intelligent
parsing and explaining (by non volunteers) as to why(
volunteers) cannot have 64 000 dollars to document
chapter efforts by volunteers! </div>
<div dir="auto">Mostly because they (non volunteers) said
so!</div>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> When that was challenged we were
treated to fancy legal explanations courtesy of the
non volunteer legal attorney..when challenged by
Oliver's well thought out logical response we got
legal obsification...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> Most enlightening though of the we
versus they attitude of the you guess it (non
volunteers) was the revelation that 5 million dollars
of internt society monies was given to some private
group (non volunteer of course)</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> When Oliver and others asked about how
the non volunteers transferred gifted..allocated
..awarded 5 .million dollars to another non volunteer
group while denying the volunteers request for 64000
dollars for documentation of chapter work </div>
<div dir="auto">We were informed by (non voluteer
attorney) you dont need to see any documents
regarding that, nothing to see here!.. (again because
the non volunteers lawyer said so) when that didnt
work and she was challenged by non volunteers...we
given More fancy legal word salad with </div>
<div dir="auto"> obsification on the side just for good
measure...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Insert lyrics from well known song "you
thought I was a donut you tried to glaze me"</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">We should see this as a teaching moment
as a proud member of the nyc chapter we see this
circular demeaning paternalistic logic all the time in
our work with the residents of the nyc housing
authority... the largest in the country </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The people who live there are ignored by
and on every turn by the same set up as we have here
..thier concerns are meet by the same platitudes and
responses that always deliver the same message only
we (non volunteers/non residents in both instances)
and we only have the only good ideas and how dare you
question that..and think we are going to listen to
you!..</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">We (non volunteers) will circle the
wagons and protect the non volunteers and forget the
fact that the</div>
<div dir="auto">Volunteers are the heart and sole of any
society including the internet...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This happens more the we all probably
think .</div>
<div dir="auto">Notice the resistance over something so
obvious and they cannot solve it without trying not to
loose face and protect previous decisions thereby
appearing to have no regard or even realizing we are
supposed to be and act like a team and we they are
not!! </div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto">This is the seeds of devisiveness when
you have no regard for your teammates ...point blank
full stop</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">OK none can say we were not told!</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Doug Frazier</div>
<div dir="auto">Proud Board Member and Volunteer of the
nyc Chapter</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2024,
05:10 Christian de Larrinaga via Chapter-delegates <<a
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That's not the issue if I've understood what people are
asking. The<br>
message appears to be ISOC is looking increasingly like a
"black box" to<br>
the community saying it is treated as consumers rather
than as an<br>
integral part of the decision and governance making
process.<br>
<br>
<br>
vinton cerf via Chapter-delegates <<a
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writes:<br>
<br>
The foundation is formally a supporting organization
under nonprofit tax<br>
law.<br>
V<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:35 Eduardo Diaz via
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wrote:<br>
<br>
IIona:<br>
<br>
From your email, I understand there is no formal
"contract for services"<br>
between ISOC and the ISOC Foundation. Is my
interpretation correct?<br>
<br>
-ed<br>
ISOC Puerto Rico<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 12:04 PM Ilona Levine via
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Olivier,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your follow up email. I think the use of
the term<br>
"outsourcing" in the email below might have caused some
confusion. You<br>
mentioned you are familiar with the “supporting
organizations” and how they<br>
operate, but it might also be helpful for me to provide
some additional<br>
background for others.<br>
<br>
As you know, the relationship between supporting and
supported<br>
organizations is not a vendor or contractor
relationship. Though<br>
the Foundation is a separate corporation, it is a
controlled subsidiary of<br>
ISOC, not a third-party service provider or outside
contractor. So ISOC is<br>
not “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead, the two
entities cooperate<br>
to achieve the mission of the Internet Society. In
other words, as a<br>
supporting organization, the Foundation’s purpose is to
operate for the<br>
benefit of, and to support, ISOC. In furtherance of that
purpose, the<br>
Foundation conducts programs and activities that benefit
ISOC and furthers<br>
ISOC’s mission. For example, the Foundation engages in
communications<br>
activities at the direction of and to the benefit of
ISOC.<br>
<br>
As you also know based on your extensive experience with
nonprofits, the<br>
Internet Society Board develops the overall strategy for
ISOC. Internet<br>
Society management then develops its action plan and in
turn, works with<br>
the Foundation to ensure that it, as a supporting
organization, provides<br>
the support necessary to achieve ISOC’s goals. The
Foundation does that<br>
through its own action plan, which sets out objectives
for all of its<br>
functions, including the communications function. So
the Board sets the<br>
strategy, Internet Society management creates the action
plans, and the<br>
Foundation management allocates resources to support
those plans as<br>
necessary.<br>
<br>
After the approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC will
share them with<br>
the community. As discussed earlier, part of that will
be Chris presenting<br>
to this community how the communications group will be
tackling its work in<br>
the upcoming year.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
<br>
*From: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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*Date: *Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47 AM<br>
*To: *Ilona Levine <<a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">levine@isoc.org</a>, Ted
IETF <<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ted.ietf@gmail.com</a><br>
*Cc: *Chapter Delegates <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>,
Sally<br>
Wentworth <<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory Council
Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding the
definition of the<br>
relationship between the Internet Society and the
Internet Society<br>
Foundation, in the absence of your response, I wish to
reiterate the need<br>
for a clear outsourcing agreement between these
entities. It is recognised<br>
as good business practice internationally to establish
such agreements to<br>
delineate respective liabilities in the execution of
these contracts.<br>
<br>
Responding to your note: "*All necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organizations.*"<br>
<br>
All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not
possible, even<br>
in a redacted manner, for whatever reason, then please
provide a list of<br>
the agreements to which you refer, including the date of
the agreement, the<br>
name of the agreement, the signatory parties, and a
brief description of<br>
each agreement.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your prompt response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
<br>
<br>
On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for your follow-up.<br>
<br>
The thread may not have come all through. During the
Chapter Advisory<br>
Council call, Ted mentioned the transfer of some
responsibilities in<br>
relation to Communications from the Internet Society to
the Internet<br>
Society Foundation. My initial question to Ted was in
regards to the<br>
outsourcing agreement as follows:<br>
<br>
*"I was previously unaware of this change. Although the
Internet Society<br>
Foundation may have been designated by the Internet
Society as a<br>
"supporting organisation" of the Internet Society, it
remains a distinct<br>
and separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume that any
"outsourcing" of<br>
responsibilities such as Marketing and/or Communications
would be defined<br>
in a written "contract for services" between the Parties
setting out<br>
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and obligations of each
Party. Could you<br>
please provide the terms for such an agreement and any
limitations therein?<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing between
executing the<br>
Communications Plan and drafting the Communications
Plan. These are<br>
fundamentally different tasks and would undoubtedly be
included in the<br>
"contract for services"".*<br>
<br>
The top level responsibility of the strategy of the
Internet Society<br>
remains within the Internet Society. I find it
surprising that an<br>
outsourcing entity would be able to dictate that
strategy without it being<br>
agreed by the Internet Society itself.<br>
The Internet Society has the opportunity to outsource
the execution of<br>
its Communications Plan to a supporting organisation on
the basis of terms<br>
and conditions agreed between the parties. This requires
outsourcing<br>
agreement(s) in order to know where the boundaries and
responsibilities are<br>
between the two organisations, including their
respective liabilities in<br>
the execution of these agreement(s).<br>
<br>
For example:<br>
<br>
Key Components of an Outsourcing Communications
Agreement<br>
<br>
1. *Introduction and Definitions*:<br>
- Clearly define the parties involved.<br>
- Provide definitions for key terms used throughout
the agreement.<br>
<br>
2. *Scope of Services*:<br>
- Detail the specific services to be outsourced.<br>
- Include service level agreements (SLAs) to set
performance<br>
standards.<br>
<br>
3. *Term and Termination*:<br>
- Specify the duration of the agreement.<br>
- Outline conditions for termination by either
party.<br>
<br>
4. *Pricing and Payment Terms*:<br>
- Define the pricing structure and payment
schedule.<br>
- Include any penalties for late payments or
performance failures.<br>
<br>
5. *Confidentiality and Data Protection*:<br>
- Ensure compliance with data protection laws.<br>
- Include confidentiality clauses to protect
sensitive information.<br>
<br>
6. *Intellectual Property Rights*:<br>
- Clarify the ownership of any intellectual
property created during<br>
the agreement.<br>
<br>
7. *Warranties and Liability*:<br>
- Outline the warranties provided by the service
provider.<br>
- Define the liability limits for both parties.<br>
<br>
8. *Monitoring and Reporting*:<br>
- Establish how performance will be monitored and
reported.<br>
- Include provisions for regular review meetings.<br>
<br>
9. *Dispute Resolution*:<br>
- Specify the process for resolving disputes.<br>
- Include mediation or arbitration clauses if
applicable.<br>
<br>
10. *Exit Management*:<br>
- Plan for the transition of services back to the
company or to<br>
another provider.<br>
- Include provisions for the transfer of data and
assets.<br>
<br>
I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been put in place to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organizations."<br>
<br>
Thus I would be interested in its details as explained
in my email.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona Levine wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Olivier,<br>
<br>
I understand that the nature of your request is to
assist the Chapters<br>
Advisory Council and Chris Locke in preparation to his
session on the<br>
communication plan. The agreement in place since 2018
between the<br>
Foundation and Internet Society focuses on the legal
obligations in line<br>
with the Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore,
won’t be useful<br>
for that purpose.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
<br>
*From: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a
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*Date: *Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 8:52 AM<br>
*To: *Ilona Levine <<a href="mailto:levine@isoc.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">levine@isoc.org</a> <<a
href="mailto:levine@isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">levine@isoc.org</a>, Ted
IETF<br>
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Sally Wentworth <<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org"
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<<a href="mailto:wentworth@isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory Council
Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ilona,<br>
<br>
thank you for clarifying that all necessary legal
documents, including<br>
agreements, have been duly executed to respect the
separate nature of the<br>
two organisations.<br>
<br>
I am aware of the publication of the original IETF
Administration LLC<br>
agreements with the Internet Society, specifically:<br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement (2020)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf</a><br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement Amendment (2020)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf</a><br>
IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement Amended and Restated (2024)<br>
<<a
href="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf</a><br>
<br>
These documents are accessible on the IETF
Administration LLC’s website<br>
at <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/</a>.<br>
<br>
Could you kindly confirm whether the agreements between
the Foundation<br>
and the Internet Society are also publicly available? I
have been unable to<br>
locate them on either website.<br>
<br>
I would appreciate it if you could provide a list of the
agreements to<br>
which you refer, including the date of the agreement,
the name of the<br>
agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief
description of each agreement.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your kind response.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/09/2024 19:48, Ilona Levine wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Olivier, thank you for your follow up email. You
noted that you are<br>
aware of the tax requirements that apply to supporting
organizations.<br>
Mainly, those requirements relate to supporting the
mission of its<br>
supported entities. In this case, the Internet Society.<br>
<br>
As part of that support, the Foundation provides grants
to other<br>
organizations that have missions consistent with the
Internet Society’s in<br>
order to fund programs that further the Internet
Society’s purposes. The<br>
Foundation also engages in activities that support
Internet Society<br>
directly. For example, the Foundation engages in
fundraising and<br>
communication activities for the benefit of the Internet
Society.<br>
<br>
As you also pointed out, the Foundation is a separate
legal entity. It<br>
is a controlled subsidiary of Internet Society. All
necessary legal<br>
documents, including agreements, have been put in place
to respect the<br>
separate nature of the two organizations.<br>
<br>
I trust this answers your question.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ilona<br>
<br>
*Ilona Levine,* SVP, General Counsel and Corporate
Secretary<br>
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*Date: *Friday, September 20, 2024 at 11:38 AM<br>
*To: *Ted IETF <<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
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*Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory Council
Meeting of 17<br>
September 2024<br>
<br>
Dear Ted,<br>
<br>
thank you for your follow-up on this matter. I am aware
of the special<br>
tax terms in relation to "supporting organisations".<br>
<br>
That being said, the Internet Society Foundation is a
distinct and<br>
separate legal entity to the Internet Society,
irrespective of the<br>
relationship between them. As a result, any outsourcing
task undertaken by<br>
one, for the other entity, would be defined in a
contract, whether written,<br>
verbal or otherwise. If not, there is a lack of clarity
and expectations<br>
about the relationship, which brings potential liability
and risk that both<br>
entities are subjected to, in relation to the other's
actions. Any lawyer<br>
would tell you that it is highly advisable to have a
written contract, if<br>
only for legal protection.<br>
<br>
Thanks for letting me know that you are travelling. I am
copying<br>
President and CEO Sally Wentworth in case you're
unavailable for a length<br>
of time.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/09/2024 13:12, Ted Hardie wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Olivier,<br>
<br>
A supporting organization is a term of art in US tax
law, please see:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types</a><br>
<br>
and<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations</a><br>
<br>
Explaining how the two relate is complicated enough that
there are legal<br>
briefs on it; I have cc'ed the Society's chief counsel
in case you would<br>
like that level of detail. The summary, however, is
that a supporting<br>
organization is a charity because it supports the
charitable purpose of the<br>
main organization. As a result, it can provide services
to the main<br>
organization under the special tax rules noted above.<br>
<br>
Note that I am traveling and will generally be slow to
respond for a few<br>
days, but hopefully the links above will get you started
and Ilona can<br>
provide more detailed legal information as needed.<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
<br>
Ted Hardie<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 6:24 AM Olivier MJ
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Ted,<br>
<br>
During this week’s Chapters Advisory Council call, you
mentioned that the<br>
Internet Society Foundation, as a "supporting
organisation" of the Internet<br>
Society, is managing the communications department for
the Internet<br>
Society.<br>
<br>
Upon seeking clarification, you explained that the
Internet Society<br>
Foundation comprises two elements: one philanthropic
(grant-making) and the<br>
other as a "supporting organisation" of the Internet
Society. "This implies<br>
that many of the supporting functions for the Internet
Society as a whole<br>
are now part of the Foundation, primarily because the
Foundation can<br>
provide these services to the Internet Society at no
cost".<br>
<br>
You further elaborated that this "arrangement" allows
the Internet<br>
Society to allocate its budget more effectively.<br>
<br>
I was previously unaware of this change. Although the
Internet Society<br>
Foundation may have been designated by the Internet
Society as a<br>
"supporting organisation" of the Internet Society, it
remains a distinct<br>
and separate legal entity. Therefore, I assume that any
"outsourcing" of<br>
responsibilities such as Marketing and/or Communications
would be defined<br>
in a written "contract for services" between the Parties
setting out<br>
(inter-alia) the terms, rights, and obligations of each
Party. Could you<br>
please provide the terms for such an agreement and any
limitations therein?<br>
<br>
My principal concern lies in distinguishing between
executing the<br>
Communications Plan and drafting the Communications
Plan. These are<br>
fundamentally different tasks and would undoubtedly be
included in the<br>
"contract for services".<br>
<br>
The "contract for services" (together with any relevant
supporting<br>
information) will be helpful input for both the Chapters
Advisory Council<br>
and also for Chris Locke and his Team (including for the
current "branding"<br>
presentations) in preparation for the promised session
from Chris Locke to<br>
the Chapters Advisory Council.<br>
<br>
I look forward to your response and to receiving a copy
of the "contract<br>
for services" agreement, together with any relevant
supporting information<br>
as requested above.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
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