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    Dear Frédéric,<br>
    <br>
    thanks for your kind follow-up. Whilst I do not believe we are
    engaging in politics, the aim of the transparency was to see whether
    all votes were taken into account by the system.<br>
    A fallback scenario would be to just publish the list of Chapters
    who have voted without publishing their actual vote, so Chapter
    Chairs can check that their Chapter AC delegate has cast their vote
    and the vote has been taken into account. That's quite basic and I
    do not think will lead to the horse trading which you allude to in
    your email.<br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/07/2024 22:24, Frédéric Taes
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Dear Olivier, Cheryl and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Thank you, Cheryl, for the good organization.
            It’s a pity that only about the half of chapters voted,
            despite reminders. :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I understand the request from Olivier about
            transparency, however I would find abnormal to disclose who
            voted on what (or didn’t) for two reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">It should
              have to be communicated beforehand that content of votes
              would be made public, and not after the votes;<br>
              the principle should be privacy by default and, if
              disclosed, properly communicated beforehand and/or with
              consent;<br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">What’s the
              purpose of this level of transparency? Which actions would
              you take if you see that chapter X didn’t voted, or voted
              against your proposal?<br>
              There’s a risk to misuse the info to make pressure or to
              start political alliances; a fictive example: your UK
              chapter will vote for my proposal on topic X (and I’ll
              check you did!), and in return my chapter would vote UK
              proposal on another topic (even if we disagree), OK? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Additional remarks:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">what about
              Special Interest Groups (SIG)? They have no right to vote,
              no right to have their voice heard, only observer’s role.
              I don’t find this normal.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">how to
              interpret the absence of vote? Is it saying the topic is
              not important, like saying no? I’m not sure. My guess:
              mailing lists are not effective or not read, important
              messages are lost in the mass or marked as spam,… I would
              suggest a dedicated “read-only” channel for votes and
              important communications, and discussions in another
              channel.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Frédéric.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">PS to Olivier and Eduardo: I well voted in name
            of Belgium Chapter, and not against any proposal. :-)  I
            love community spirit    (and yes I don’t like politics).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">De : </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Chapter-delegates
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org></a> au nom
              de Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
              <b>Répondre à : </b>Olivier Crepin-Leblond
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
              <b>Date : </b>vendredi 5 juillet 2024 à 20:16<br>
              <b>À : </b>Cheryl Langdon-Orr
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com"><langdonorr@gmail.com></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:0F9Dn000000QayiKAC@post.dn-71ceimaa.usa576.chatter.salesforce.com"><0F9Dn000000QayiKAC@post.dn-71ceimaa.usa576.chatter.salesforce.com></a>,
              ISOC Chapter Delegates
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
              <b>Objet : </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] The results of the
              recent polls regarding two issues from the Puerto Rico
              Chapter and the proposed test for transmission to the BoT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Cheryl,<br>
          <br>
          thank you for forwarding this information and following up on
          these polls.<br>
          In the interest of transparency would you please forward the
          results showing chapters having voted and their vote? I note
          that nowhere in the Chapter AC rules is there any mention of
          consensus calls needing to be confidential.<br>
          Kindest regards,<br>
          <br>
          Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 05/07/2024 00:28, Cheryl Langdon-Orr
            via Chapter-delegates wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">The message you
                  find attached outlines the procedures and results of
                  the poll conducted by the Chapters Advisory Council
                  (ChAC) of the Internet Society, conducted via Survey
                  Monkey between June 17th and July 1st, and aimed to
                  gather support for two proposals from the Puerto Rico
                  Chapter among the 101 Chapters with voting rights. The
                  first proposal was to open the Chapter Delegate email
                  list to all Chapter Members as observers, while the
                  second was to reinstate funding for the ISOC LIVE
                  video and archiving services.<br>
                  <br>
                  The results showed that while a majority of responding
                  Chapters supported both proposals, the required level
                  of support for approval required by the ChAC Rules and
                  Procedures for sending advice to the Board of Trustees
                  still needs to be reached. Specifically, 66.04% voted
                  in favour of the first proposal, and for the second,
                  88.68% voted in favour. However, due to the rules
                  requiring a majority of all eligible Chapters to vote
                  'yes,' the proposals still need to pass. <br>
                  <br>
                  Despite the ChAC being unable to send “formal advice”
                  to the Board of Trustees, the ChAC Steering Committee
                  is taking a proactive step. We propose sending a
                  “recommendation” to the BoT regarding the two
                  proposals since their approval was clear among the
                  poll respondents.<br>
                  <br>
                  I've included more details in the attached PDF. If you
                  need additional information or access to the specific
                  results and discussions, we have also included below
                  reference links to summaries and presentations
                  available on Box.com.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Cheryl
                    Langdon-Orr</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Chair 2024 of
                  the ChAC -SC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <pre>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<o:p></o:p></pre>
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          As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically
          subscribed to this list, which is regularly synchronized with
          the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.internetsociety.org">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>. - View the Internet
          Society Code of Conduct:
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