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Dear Frédéric,<br>
<br>
thanks for your kind follow-up. Whilst I do not believe we are
engaging in politics, the aim of the transparency was to see whether
all votes were taken into account by the system.<br>
A fallback scenario would be to just publish the list of Chapters
who have voted without publishing their actual vote, so Chapter
Chairs can check that their Chapter AC delegate has cast their vote
and the vote has been taken into account. That's quite basic and I
do not think will lead to the horse trading which you allude to in
your email.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/07/2024 22:24, Frédéric Taes
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Dear Olivier, Cheryl and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Thank you, Cheryl, for the good organization.
It’s a pity that only about the half of chapters voted,
despite reminders. :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I understand the request from Olivier about
transparency, however I would find abnormal to disclose who
voted on what (or didn’t) for two reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">It should
have to be communicated beforehand that content of votes
would be made public, and not after the votes;<br>
the principle should be privacy by default and, if
disclosed, properly communicated beforehand and/or with
consent;<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">What’s the
purpose of this level of transparency? Which actions would
you take if you see that chapter X didn’t voted, or voted
against your proposal?<br>
There’s a risk to misuse the info to make pressure or to
start political alliances; a fictive example: your UK
chapter will vote for my proposal on topic X (and I’ll
check you did!), and in return my chapter would vote UK
proposal on another topic (even if we disagree), OK? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Additional remarks:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">what about
Special Interest Groups (SIG)? They have no right to vote,
no right to have their voice heard, only observer’s role.
I don’t find this normal.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">how to
interpret the absence of vote? Is it saying the topic is
not important, like saying no? I’m not sure. My guess:
mailing lists are not effective or not read, important
messages are lost in the mass or marked as spam,… I would
suggest a dedicated “read-only” channel for votes and
important communications, and discussions in another
channel.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Frédéric.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">PS to Olivier and Eduardo: I well voted in name
of Belgium Chapter, and not against any proposal. :-) I
love community spirit (and yes I don’t like politics).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">De : </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Chapter-delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org></a> au nom
de Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Répondre à : </b>Olivier Crepin-Leblond
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a><br>
<b>Date : </b>vendredi 5 juillet 2024 à 20:16<br>
<b>À : </b>Cheryl Langdon-Orr
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com"><langdonorr@gmail.com></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:0F9Dn000000QayiKAC@post.dn-71ceimaa.usa576.chatter.salesforce.com"><0F9Dn000000QayiKAC@post.dn-71ceimaa.usa576.chatter.salesforce.com></a>,
ISOC Chapter Delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Objet : </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] The results of the
recent polls regarding two issues from the Puerto Rico
Chapter and the proposed test for transmission to the BoT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Cheryl,<br>
<br>
thank you for forwarding this information and following up on
these polls.<br>
In the interest of transparency would you please forward the
results showing chapters having voted and their vote? I note
that nowhere in the Chapter AC rules is there any mention of
consensus calls needing to be confidential.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 05/07/2024 00:28, Cheryl Langdon-Orr
via Chapter-delegates wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">The message you
find attached outlines the procedures and results of
the poll conducted by the Chapters Advisory Council
(ChAC) of the Internet Society, conducted via Survey
Monkey between June 17th and July 1st, and aimed to
gather support for two proposals from the Puerto Rico
Chapter among the 101 Chapters with voting rights. The
first proposal was to open the Chapter Delegate email
list to all Chapter Members as observers, while the
second was to reinstate funding for the ISOC LIVE
video and archiving services.<br>
<br>
The results showed that while a majority of responding
Chapters supported both proposals, the required level
of support for approval required by the ChAC Rules and
Procedures for sending advice to the Board of Trustees
still needs to be reached. Specifically, 66.04% voted
in favour of the first proposal, and for the second,
88.68% voted in favour. However, due to the rules
requiring a majority of all eligible Chapters to vote
'yes,' the proposals still need to pass. <br>
<br>
Despite the ChAC being unable to send “formal advice”
to the Board of Trustees, the ChAC Steering Committee
is taking a proactive step. We propose sending a
“recommendation” to the BoT regarding the two
proposals since their approval was clear among the
poll respondents.<br>
<br>
I've included more details in the attached PDF. If you
need additional information or access to the specific
results and discussions, we have also included below
reference links to summaries and presentations
available on Box.com.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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