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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR-BE link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dear Olivier, Cheryl and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thank you, Cheryl, for the good organization. It’s a pity that only about the half of chapters voted, despite reminders. :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I understand the request from Olivier about transparency, however I would find abnormal to disclose who voted on what (or didn’t) for two reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It should have to be communicated beforehand that content of votes would be made public, and not after the votes;<br>the principle should be privacy by default and, if disclosed, properly communicated beforehand and/or with consent;<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What’s the purpose of this level of transparency? Which actions would you take if you see that chapter X didn’t voted, or voted against your proposal?<br>There’s a risk to misuse the info to make pressure or to start political alliances; a fictive example: your UK chapter will vote for my proposal on topic X (and I’ll check you did!), and in return my chapter would vote UK proposal on another topic (even if we disagree), OK? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Additional remarks:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>what about Special Interest Groups (SIG)? They have no right to vote, no right to have their voice heard, only observer’s role. I don’t find this normal.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:18.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>how to interpret the absence of vote? Is it saying the topic is not important, like saying no? I’m not sure. My guess: mailing lists are not effective or not read, important messages are lost in the mass or marked as spam,… I would suggest a dedicated “read-only” channel for votes and important communications, and discussions in another channel.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Frédéric.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>PS to Olivier and Eduardo: I well voted in name of Belgium Chapter, and not against any proposal. :-) I love community spirit (and yes I don’t like politics).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>De : </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org> au nom de Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org><br><b>Répondre à : </b>Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com><br><b>Date : </b>vendredi 5 juillet 2024 à 20:16<br><b>À : </b>Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com>, <0F9Dn000000QayiKAC@post.dn-71ceimaa.usa576.chatter.salesforce.com>, ISOC Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org><br><b>Objet : </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] The results of the recent polls regarding two issues from the Puerto Rico Chapter and the proposed test for transmission to the BoT.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear Cheryl,<br><br>thank you for forwarding this information and following up on these polls.<br>In the interest of transparency would you please forward the results showing chapters having voted and their vote? I note that nowhere in the Chapter AC rules is there any mention of consensus calls needing to be confidential.<br>Kindest regards,<br><br>Olivier<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 05/07/2024 00:28, Cheryl Langdon-Orr via Chapter-delegates wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>The message you find attached outlines the procedures and results of the poll conducted by the Chapters Advisory Council (ChAC) of the Internet Society, conducted via Survey Monkey between June 17th and July 1st, and aimed to gather support for two proposals from the Puerto Rico Chapter among the 101 Chapters with voting rights. The first proposal was to open the Chapter Delegate email list to all Chapter Members as observers, while the second was to reinstate funding for the ISOC LIVE video and archiving services.<br><br>The results showed that while a majority of responding Chapters supported both proposals, the required level of support for approval required by the ChAC Rules and Procedures for sending advice to the Board of Trustees still needs to be reached. Specifically, 66.04% voted in favour of the first proposal, and for the second, 88.68% voted in favour. However, due to the rules requiring a majority of all eligible Chapters to vote 'yes,' the proposals still need to pass. <br><br>Despite the ChAC being unable to send “formal advice” to the Board of Trustees, the ChAC Steering Committee is taking a proactive step. We propose sending a “recommendation” to the BoT regarding the two proposals since their approval was clear among the poll respondents.<br><br>I've included more details in the attached PDF. If you need additional information or access to the specific results and discussions, we have also included below reference links to summaries and presentations available on Box.com.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr</span></i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Chair 2024 of the ChAC -SC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td width=107 valign=bottom style='width:80.25pt;padding:15.0pt 7.5pt 15.0pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:0%'><a href="https://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><span style='color:blue;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=0 width=105 height=70 style='width:1.0937in;height:.7291in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:~WRD0000.jpg" alt="Image supprimée par l'expéditeur."></span></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=bottom style='padding:15.0pt 0cm 15.0pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=0 width=1 height=1 style='width:.0104in;height:.0104in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:~WRD0000.jpg" alt="Image supprimée par l'expéditeur."></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#2B82AD;text-decoration:none'>about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr </span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://community.internetsociety.org">https://community.internetsociety.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS): https://community.internetsociety.org. - View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/ <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>