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<p>+1 Christopher <br>
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<p>In the meantime, i have received a "replacement" ballot from
Rama, but it seems to contain only the option to vote on question
1 (Mailing List), there is no option to vote on question 2 (Joly /
ISOC LIVE). I have emailed Rama back about this.<br>
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<p>I would recommend that ChAC representatives carefully check their
ballots (particularly "replacement" ballots) to see if they can
vote on question 2. Otherwise, inability to vote on question 2
counts as a "no" vote.<br>
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<p>Given all the above problems, i would still recommend re-doing
the process, in order to remove any doubts as to the validity of
the results.<br>
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<p>WYn<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25 Jun 2024 6:01 PM, Christopher
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Instead of calling it a consensus call, call it a vote. It's
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Rather than requiring all chapters to nominate someone in
order to cast a vote, select the chapter administrator (the
most senior chapter delegate for that chapter) as the
de-facto ChAC representative unless they nominate someone.
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Use a proper voting system (rather than a system designed
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Missing or uncast votes should never be counted as a no;
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nazar Nicholas <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:nnicholaski@gmail.com"><nnicholaski@gmail.com></a>;
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<p>It may be (as i was informed in my case) that certain Chapter
Officer roles on Fonteva have expired. Strange though -- when
the new AMS went live, i did check Fonteva out (and, as
always, paid particular attention to the Chapter Officer roles
and expiry dates). Then there was a ChAC call earlier this
year, and i checked everything again, following the emailed
meeting notice's advice to check ChAC reps. Well, however
Fonteva expires Chapter Officer roles, now we know that
Fonteva does not send-out email warnings of soon-to-expire
Officer roles as the previous AMS did.<br>
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<p>Then there's the case of Amrita who is on the ChAC rep list
but did not receive a ballot.<br>
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<p>Given the problems with Fonteva, i would recommend that this
ChAC vote/consensus be re-done (there is a precedent for this,
at that time even after results were in), after Chapters have
been reminded to check their Officer roles in the AMS and
confirming that the Chapters' ChAC representatives are
registered on the AMS. Else, as a missing vote counts as a
"no", the missing votes would skew this "consensus" and
provide an erroneous/misleading result.<br>
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<p>Waiting for corrections to our Chapter's Officer roles/list,<br>
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<p>WYn<br>
PH<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 25 Jun 2024 5:04 PM, Nazar
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Tanzania Chapter is not on the list and we have not
changed our delegate as of the last ChA Council vote. Did
the migration from MemberNova to Fonteva affect the
delegate? I don't understand🙂</div>
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11:28, Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates <<a
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<div style="">Hello all!<br>
<br>
The survey was indeed sent via SurveyMonkey to all
current ChAC representatives (see list here: <a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/</a> -
if your chapter is not on this list, it means your
chapter does not currently have a ChAC representative
listed in the Community Portal (AMS) - this is one of
the officer roles there)
<div><br>
ChAC representatives, please search your mailbox for
an email from <a
href="mailto:member@surveymonkeyuser.com"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">member@surveymonkeyuser.com</a> (<a
href="mailto:rejman@isoc.org" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">rejman@isoc.org</a> via
SurveyMonkey). <br>
<br>
If you cannot find your ballot, please check if your
chapter has a ChAC representative listed and then
reach out to <a href="mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-support@isoc.org</a> so
we can work with you to ensure your Chapter’s ChAC
representative has the ballot. </div>
<div><br>
<div>We will also be in touch on this with those of
you who mentioned in the thread below that you
didn’t receive the ballot. <br>
<br>
Best, <br>
<br>
Christine <br>
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<div><b>Christine Saegesser Baethge, Sr. Director
Chapters and Special Interest Groups</b><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 25 Jun 2024, at 09:44,
Eduardo Diaz via Chapter-delegates <<a
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wrote:<br>
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I recommend that the ChAC-SC group take proactive
steps to ensure all members have received their
ballots. At a minimum, they should
promptly address any chapters reporting that they
have not received their ballots.<br>
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:33 AM shah zahidur via
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wrote:<br>
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Its really confusing if it came like survey.
couldnt find.<br>
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I look forward to the ballot.<br>
<br>
Regard's<br>
Shah <br>
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On 6/25/24 12:09 AM, Amrita Choudhury via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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I have not received the ballot yet Wyn.<br>
+1 Oliview and Eduardo<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Amrita<br>
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 5:38 AM Winthrop Yu via
Chapter-delegates <<a
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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+1 Olivier and Eduardo! <br>
<br>
Problem is -- i am the ChAC voting delegate but
have not received any ballot. Any other ChAC
voting delegates in other Chapters who
have not received ballots? <br>
<br>
WYn<br>
PH<br>
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On 25 Jun 2024 4:43 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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Dear Chapter Colleagues,<br>
<br>
your Chapter Advisory Council representative
will have received a ballot in their email from <br>
<a href="mailto:member@surveymonkeyuser.com"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">member@surveymonkeyuser.com</a> (<a
href="mailto:rejman@isoc.org" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">rejman@isoc.org</a> via
SurveyMonkey)<br>
<br>
This is an important voting ballot. It is
awkwardly called a "consensus call" but in fact
it is a VOTE which will determine whether there
is support from Chapters for two proposals from
Internet Society Puerto Rico Chapter:<br>
<br>
1. To open the Chapter Delegates Mailing List to
Observers<br>
2. To ask the Internet Society Board to resume
funding for ISOC.LIVE<br>
<br>
Ask them to FIND THAT BALLOT IN THEIR EMAIL AND
VOTE!<br>
<br>
The deadline for answering this poll will be by
end of day 1 July 2024.<br>
<br>
1. The first proposal is that the
Chapter Delegate email list (<a
href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/</a>) should be
opened to chapter members as observers
(view only – not allowed to post) to enhance
transparency and understanding of ongoing
discussions concerning Internet Society
chapters.<br>
<br>
The summary and presentation (3 pages) on the
issue of opening the chapter delegate mailing
list to chapter members as observers can be
found here: <a
href="https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278</a><br>
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<br>
2. The second proposal is that Internet Society
funding for the ISOC LIVE video services
and archiving services should be reinstated, and
that Internet Society should financially support
ISOC LIVE on an ongoing basis.<br>
<br>
The summary and presentation (4 pages) on the
issue of funding support for ISOC LIVE can be
found here: <a
href="https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452</a><br>
<br>
<br>
- For those interested, additional compiled
background material can be found at the
following link: <a
href="https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I am not going to comment on the first poll as
there are views for/against opening Chapter
Delegates mailing list.<br>
<br>
<br>
On the other hand, the second vote about
ISOC.LIVE is one where I have very strong
views. <br>
<br>
As you know from some of the updated emails
which Joly has sent to the Chapter Delegates
mailing list, his service costs in the region of
$64 000 per annum and currently Dr. Vint Cerf is
funding it out of his own pocket (thank
you!) until August 2024. Past that date we do
not know what will happen. It is therefore very
important that we, as Chapters, ask for the
Internet Society Board of Trustees to bring back
the funding for this excellent resource which
many Chapters have benefited from - and your
chapter can benefit directly too! The discussion
is not about "live" and "recorded" or whatever
ISOC is trying to make you believe. It is about
having a channel that has high production value,
with captions, titles, names of speakers,
sound and video enhancement, a full
description, as well as publicity for your event
on many external mailing lists, raising the
profile of your chapter and increasing the
number of viewers for your content. Joly brings
40 years of experience in that field - he
is no amateur and the productions speak for
themselves.<br>
Year ago, this was promoted by ISOC - in fact
there was even talk of some video equipment to
be shared with Chapters so they could stream
their event with better quality picture etc. But
in recent years, the Chapters have seen all of
this taken away from them and replaced with...
nothing but bureaucracy to stop them
from utilising the resource. <br>
<br>
Not convinced?<br>
Check this: <a href="https://isoc.live/"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://isoc.live/</a><br>
And this: <a
href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://livestream.com/internetsociety</a> -
24 000 followers<br>
And this too: <a
href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety2"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://livestream.com/internetsociety2</a><br>
And that: <a
href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety3"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://livestream.com/internetsociety3</a><br>
And it's all in the process of being archived
for posterity at <a href="http://archive.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">archive.org</a> !<br>
<a href="https://archive.org/details/isoc-live"
target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://archive.org/details/isoc-live</a><br>
<br>
All done by one person working with the Internet
Society Chapters.<br>
<br>
A bargain at $64K all included. But you might
ask - "I thought ISOC does not have the money?"<br>
The Internet Society is receiving $30M per annum
from PIR.<br>
The Internet Society foundation is receiving
$30M per annum from PIR too.<br>
And you're telling me there is no funding for a
sum that constitutes 0.21% of that $30M budget?<br>
0.1% of the total budget Internet Society +
Internet Society Foundation?<br>
<br>
Think about it and vote YES to ask the Board
to reinstate funding for ISOC.LIVE<br>
<br>
And vote - because if you don't, it's like
voting no. ISOC.LIVE will no longer be funded
and you'll only have yourselves to blame for
losing the opportunity to showcase your
Chapter's activities.<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
(speaking on my own behalf and not on behalf of
any Chapter)<br>
<br>
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