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    <p>+1 Christopher <br>
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    <p>In the meantime, i have received a "replacement" ballot from
      Rama, but it seems to contain only the option to vote on question 
      1 (Mailing List), there is no option to vote on question 2 (Joly /
      ISOC LIVE). I have emailed Rama back about this.<br>
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    <p>I would recommend that ChAC representatives carefully check their
      ballots (particularly "replacement" ballots) to see if they can
      vote on question 2. Otherwise, inability to vote on question 2
      counts as a "no" vote.<br>
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    <p>Given all the above problems, i would still recommend re-doing
      the process, in order to remove any doubts as to the validity of
      the results.<br>
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    <p>WYn<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25 Jun 2024 6:01 PM, Christopher
      Hawker wrote:<br>
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        There's four things that I see that are either being done wrong,
        or could be done different.</div>
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            Instead of calling it a consensus call, call it a vote. It's
            rather clear that this is what it is.</div>
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            Rather than requiring all chapters to nominate someone in
            order to cast a vote, select the chapter administrator (the
            most senior chapter delegate for that chapter) as the
            de-facto ChAC representative unless they nominate someone.
            This ensures that all chapters have a ChAC representative.</div>
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            Use a proper voting system (rather than a system designed
            for surveys).</div>
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            Missing or uncast votes should never be counted as a no;
            rather they should be counted as abstentions. To regard a
            missing vote as either in favour or against a given topic is
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        Regards,</div>
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        Christopher Hawker<br>
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          Chapter-delegates <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org></a>
          on behalf of Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates <a
            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:46 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Nazar Nicholas <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:nnicholaski@gmail.com"><nnicholaski@gmail.com></a>;
          Christine Saegesser <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:saegesser@isoc.org"><saegesser@isoc.org></a><br>
          <b>Cc:</b> <a
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            href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>
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            href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] IMPORTANT: vote from
          Chapter Advisory Council - please make sure you vote!</font>
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        <p>It may be (as i was informed in my case) that certain Chapter
          Officer roles on Fonteva have expired. Strange though -- when
          the new AMS went live, i did check Fonteva out (and, as
          always, paid particular attention to the Chapter Officer roles
          and expiry dates). Then there was a ChAC call earlier this
          year, and i checked everything again, following the emailed
          meeting notice's advice to check ChAC reps. Well, however
          Fonteva expires Chapter Officer roles, now we know that
          Fonteva does not send-out email warnings of soon-to-expire
          Officer roles as the previous AMS did.<br>
          <br>
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        <p>Then there's the case of Amrita who is on the ChAC rep list
          but did not receive a ballot.<br>
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        <p>Given the problems with Fonteva, i would recommend that this
          ChAC vote/consensus be re-done (there is a precedent for this,
          at that time even after results were in), after Chapters have
          been reminded to check their Officer roles in the AMS and
          confirming that the Chapters' ChAC representatives are
          registered on the AMS. Else, as a missing vote counts as a
          "no", the missing votes would skew this "consensus" and
          provide an erroneous/misleading result.<br>
          <br>
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        <p>Waiting for corrections to our Chapter's Officer roles/list,<br>
          <br>
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        <p>WYn<br>
          PH<br>
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        <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 25 Jun 2024 5:04 PM, Nazar
          Nicholas via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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              Dear Christine,</div>
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              Tanzania Chapter is not on the list and we have not
              changed our delegate as of the last ChA Council vote. Did
              the migration from MemberNova to Fonteva affect the
              delegate? I don't understand🙂</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 at
              11:28, Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates <<a
                href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
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              <div style="">Hello all!<br>
                <br>
                The survey was indeed sent via SurveyMonkey to all
                current ChAC representatives (see list here: <a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/"
                  target="_blank"
                  class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/</a> -
                if your chapter is not on this list, it means your
                chapter does not currently have a ChAC representative
                listed in the Community Portal (AMS) - this is one of
                the officer roles there) 
                <div><br>
                  ChAC representatives, please search your mailbox for
                  an email from <a
                    href="mailto:member@surveymonkeyuser.com"
                    target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">member@surveymonkeyuser.com</a> (<a
                    href="mailto:rejman@isoc.org" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">rejman@isoc.org</a> via
                  SurveyMonkey). <br>
                  <br>
                  If you cannot find your ballot, please check if your
                  chapter has a ChAC representative listed and then
                  reach out to <a href="mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org"
                    target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-support@isoc.org</a> so
                  we can work with you to ensure your Chapter’s ChAC
                  representative has the ballot. </div>
                <div><br>
                  <div>We will also be in touch on this with those of
                    you who mentioned in the thread below that you
                    didn’t receive the ballot. <br>
                    <br>
                    Best, <br>
                    <br>
                    Christine  <br>
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                    <div><b>Christine Saegesser Baethge, Sr. Director
                        Chapters and Special Interest Groups</b><br>
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                    <blockquote type="cite">On 25 Jun 2024, at 09:44,
                      Eduardo Diaz via Chapter-delegates <<a
                        href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
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                      wrote:<br>
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                      I recommend that the ChAC-SC group take proactive
                      steps to ensure all members have received their
                      ballots. At a minimum, they should
                      promptly address any chapters reporting that they
                      have not received their ballots.<br>
                      <br>
                      -ed<br>
                      <br>
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                      On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:33 AM shah zahidur via
                      Chapter-delegates <<a
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                      wrote:<br>
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                      Its really confusing if it came like survey.
                      couldnt find.<br>
                      <br>
                      I look forward to the ballot.<br>
                      <br>
                      Regard's<br>
                      Shah <br>
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                      On 6/25/24 12:09 AM, Amrita Choudhury via
                      Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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                      I have not received the ballot yet Wyn.<br>
                       +1 Oliview and Eduardo<br>
                      <br>
                      Regards,<br>
                      <br>
                      Amrita<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 5:38 AM Winthrop Yu via
                      Chapter-delegates <<a
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                      <br>
                      +1 Olivier and Eduardo! <br>
                      <br>
                      Problem is -- i am the ChAC voting delegate but
                      have not received any ballot. Any other ChAC
                      voting delegates in other Chapters who
                      have not received ballots? <br>
                      <br>
                      WYn<br>
                      PH<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
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                      On 25 Jun 2024 4:43 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
                      via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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                        Dear Chapter Colleagues,<br>
                        <br>
                        your Chapter Advisory Council representative
                        will have received a ballot in their email from <br>
                        <a href="mailto:member@surveymonkeyuser.com"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">member@surveymonkeyuser.com</a> (<a
                          href="mailto:rejman@isoc.org" target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">rejman@isoc.org</a> via
                        SurveyMonkey)<br>
                        <br>
                        This is an important voting ballot. It is
                        awkwardly called a "consensus call" but in fact
                        it is a VOTE which will determine whether there
                        is support from Chapters for two proposals from
                        Internet Society Puerto Rico Chapter:<br>
                        <br>
                        1. To open the Chapter Delegates Mailing List to
                        Observers<br>
                        2. To ask the Internet Society Board to resume
                        funding for ISOC.LIVE<br>
                        <br>
                        Ask them to FIND THAT BALLOT IN THEIR EMAIL AND
                        VOTE!<br>
                        <br>
                        The deadline for answering this poll will be by
                        end of day 1 July 2024.<br>
                        <br>
                        1. The first proposal is that the
                        Chapter Delegate email list (<a
href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/</a>) should be
                        opened to chapter members as observers
                        (view only – not allowed to post) to enhance
                        transparency and understanding of ongoing
                        discussions concerning Internet Society
                        chapters.<br>
                        <br>
                        The summary and presentation (3 pages) on the
                        issue of opening the chapter delegate mailing
                        list to chapter members as observers can be
                        found here: <a
                          href="https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278</a><br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        2. The second proposal is that Internet Society
                        funding for the ISOC LIVE video services
                        and archiving services should be reinstated, and
                        that Internet Society should financially support
                        ISOC LIVE on an ongoing basis.<br>
                        <br>
                        The summary and presentation (4 pages) on the
                        issue of funding support for ISOC LIVE can be
                        found here: <a
                          href="https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452</a><br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        - For those interested, additional compiled
                        background material can be found at the
                        following link: <a
href="https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt</a><br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        I am not going to comment on the first poll as
                        there are views for/against opening Chapter
                        Delegates mailing list.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        On the other hand, the second vote about
                        ISOC.LIVE is one where I have very strong
                        views. <br>
                        <br>
                        As you know from some of the updated emails
                        which Joly has sent to the Chapter Delegates
                        mailing list, his service costs in the region of
                        $64 000 per annum and currently Dr. Vint Cerf is
                        funding it out of his own pocket (thank
                        you!) until August 2024. Past that date we do
                        not know what will happen. It is therefore very
                        important that we, as Chapters, ask for the
                        Internet Society Board of Trustees to bring back
                        the funding for this excellent resource which
                        many Chapters have benefited from - and your
                        chapter can benefit directly too! The discussion
                        is not about "live" and "recorded" or whatever
                        ISOC is trying to make you believe. It is about
                        having a channel that has high production value,
                        with captions, titles, names of speakers,
                        sound and video enhancement, a full
                        description, as well as publicity for your event
                        on many external mailing lists, raising the
                        profile of your chapter and increasing the
                        number of viewers for your content. Joly brings
                        40 years of experience in that field - he
                        is no amateur and the productions speak for
                        themselves.<br>
                        Year ago, this was promoted by ISOC - in fact
                        there was even talk of some video equipment to
                        be shared with Chapters so they could stream
                        their event with better quality picture etc. But
                        in recent years, the Chapters have seen all of
                        this taken away from them and replaced with...
                        nothing but bureaucracy to stop them
                        from utilising the resource. <br>
                        <br>
                        Not convinced?<br>
                        Check this: <a href="https://isoc.live/"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://isoc.live/</a><br>
                        And this: <a
                          href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://livestream.com/internetsociety</a>   -
                        24 000 followers<br>
                        And this too: <a
                          href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety2"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://livestream.com/internetsociety2</a><br>
                        And that: <a
                          href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety3"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://livestream.com/internetsociety3</a><br>
                        And it's all in the process of being archived
                        for posterity at <a href="http://archive.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">archive.org</a> !<br>
                        <a href="https://archive.org/details/isoc-live"
                          target="_blank"
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://archive.org/details/isoc-live</a><br>
                        <br>
                        All done by one person working with the Internet
                        Society Chapters.<br>
                        <br>
                        A bargain at $64K all included. But you might
                        ask - "I thought ISOC does not have the money?"<br>
                        The Internet Society is receiving $30M per annum
                        from PIR.<br>
                        The Internet Society foundation is receiving
                        $30M per annum from PIR too.<br>
                        And you're telling me there is no funding for a
                        sum that constitutes 0.21% of that $30M budget?<br>
                        0.1% of the total budget Internet Society +
                        Internet Society Foundation?<br>
                        <br>
                        Think about it and vote YES to ask the Board
                        to reinstate funding for ISOC.LIVE<br>
                        <br>
                        And vote - because if you don't, it's like
                        voting no. ISOC.LIVE will no longer be funded
                        and you'll only have yourselves to blame for
                        losing the opportunity to showcase your
                        Chapter's activities.<br>
                        <br>
                        Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
                        (speaking on my own behalf and not on behalf of
                        any Chapter)<br>
                        <br>
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