<html><head></head><body><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><font face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Dear Vinton,</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><font face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Greetings for the day.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><font face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><font face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Please let me know how I can join IPNSIG. I the President of ISOC India Hyderabad Chapter. </font><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Mohan.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">=================================================================================================</div></div><div class="ydpf76562b3yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:arial;font-size:16px;"><div></div>
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On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 05:58:25 PM GMT+5:30, vinton cerf via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:large;color:#000000;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">we kept the name, IPNSIG, for the non-profit that was created in 1998 as a SIG. The non-profit is distinct from its chapter status since ISOC prefers (requires?) that the chapter has a distinct existence separate from ISOC. You are right about acrobatics - we have somehow managed to comply with ISOC requirements for administration and board management, sometimes in conflict with advice from lawyers. </div><div style="font-size:large;color:#000000;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:large;color:#000000;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">v</div><div style="font-size:large;color:#000000;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div id="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357yqt54760" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357yqt3412757955"><div class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_attr">On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 8:23 AM Joly MacFie <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:joly.nyc@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joly.nyc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Technically Vint, IPNSIG is no longer a SIG, it's the Interplanetary Chapter, thus it is chartered. All SIGs were de-chartered at the end of 2021, and IPNSIG was the only one to make that transition, so, essentially maintaining its status. The Accessibility SIG went back to being an ISOC-NY project. Some have organized themselves into local chapters. Others either zombified, or transitioned into the new system, or just transitioned out of ISOC entirely.</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Unlike the chartered Chapters, the new SIGs/SGs are internal projects within ISOC, with a two year lifespan. The SIGs have to compete for renewal, while the SGs are permanent, but all need to elect new leadership at that two year point. They are admin'd by staff, who also take care of financial details, online presence, documentation etc. With staff doing the admin, this would leave volunteers free to do the actual project work.</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Others may explain better but my understanding is there were two main reasons for this:</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">1) Unlike geographically local Chapters, SIGs/SGS, as chartered global entities, involve a whole lot of legal acrobatics that are beyond practicality, if one's serious about compliance. Dealing with this stuff alone for ISOC itself stretches capacity. (Interplanetary did some kind of end run around this.)<br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">2) SIGS were mushrooming and some SIGS were not well run, while eligible for the same support as Chapters, thus the whole thing needed reining in.</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">One might have hoped that longstanding SIGs with strong leadership could have yet been eligible for a charter, but it was one size fits all, with the exception of accessibility, youth, and gender being considered vital enough to be permanent.</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Joly</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_attr">On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 5:19 AM vinton cerf <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:vgcerf@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vgcerf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0);" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Joly,</div><div style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0);" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">I don't have a lot of answers but I believe IPNSIG (Interplanetary chapter) set up its own web site. The chapters have independent existence from ISOC, by requirement. They can raise their own funds, have a bank account distinct from ISOC, etc. </div><div style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0);" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0);" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">v</div><div style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0);" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_attr">On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 3:01 AM Joly MacFie via Chapter-delegates <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="all"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">When the new SIG / Standing Group structure was set up at the start of 2022, there were a set of guidelines posted on MemberNova.</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">This document is no longer available, but IIRC, defined a principle that ISOC staff would handle 'administration' roles, to leave volunteers unencumbered by such mundanity as documentation, web presence, finances, so that they could dedicate themselves to actual projects. I found this quote:</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"></div><br clear="all"><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_quote">Processes and protocols for archiving and accessing publicly available resources such as web content, listservs and social media accounts will be developed as part of the roll out plan for the new SIG structure. The emphasis will be to ensure public assets and work done by SIGs is available and can inform future efforts while maintaining connections and community that has been developed</blockquote><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">So, no websites for Groups outside of ISOC, to ensure continuity as teams change every two years.</div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Eventually landing pages for the SIGS/SGs were set up at <a shape="rect" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" previewlistener="true">https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs/</a> however, in terms of documentation these are limited to a few focus areas and current Group leaderships, and there was a wait for Fonteva.<br clear="none"></div></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Most groups responded by setting up chat groups on Telegram, Whatsapp, or Signal, and maybe Google docs, maybe some social media, and now, Chatter groups are available via Fonteva, working for some.</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Documentation/Website? The ISOC-NY A11ySIG plugged the gap by documenting the Accessibility Standing Group on their wiki, which the new leadership have ported over to a standalone site <a shape="rect" href="https://isocasg.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" previewlistener="true">https://isocasg.org</a>, now linked from the ISOC landing page.<br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">So questions:</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Where are the current guidelines? </div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">What follow up is being done on documentation of the first two year projects?</div><div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Can SIGs now set up their own websites?</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none">Is <a shape="rect" href="mailto:sigleaders@isoc.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sigleaders@isoc.org</a> listserv still a thing? And, if not, is Chapter Dels an appropriate venue to discuss SIG matters?</div></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Looking forward to responses</div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:small;" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_default">Joly</div><span class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr" class="ydpb4bc3c95yiv7975529357gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--------------------------------------<br clear="none"><span>Joly MacFie +1<span title="Call with Google Voice">2185659365</span> </span></div><div>--------------------------------------</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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