<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Hi All<div>I second Olivier and others call for more detailed information on all the programs. A breakdown of all the costs would be helpful. ICANN’s financial budget in the past year has done this and while I know they are larger but they have done a great job in highlighting what each program does. Their budget is over 200 pages but the excellent table of contents with clickable links really helps people find nd the data they are looking for. They also publish a summary report as well so something that Isoc can do. They do this all with a very small staff.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, as per metrics, perhaps the comms team was not using the best metrics to track Joly’s work? I know Joly was never ask to suggest metrics. Perhaps if different metrics were used the answer would be totally different. Most people do not listen to Joly’s broadcast live but listen to the replays and then also to the replays of these when Joly rebroadcasts it. </div><div><br></div><div>He also puts it in the internet archive immediately as the new version of livestream does not allow for info to be stored or downloaded so that could also be. What we need is better tracking and better metrics and then after we have these and then others can see the data and can also send these out. He also relays these out to different streaming channels and these also have to be added int</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps the real issue is that what Joly does, does not belong in the comms department. Also I think if we used different metrics we would have a different story. But we will never know until different metrics are used.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks so much to Vint for stepping in and to allowing these excellent and extremely valuable services to continue. As JOLY often says you could get several degrees by watching all the videos. </div><div><br></div><div>Judith Hellerstein</div><div>Treasurer- Accessibility SIG, a project of ISOC NY<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Judith@jhellerstein.com</div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Mar 12, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Vahan Hovsepyan via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi all!<div><br></div><div>I would support Veni in requesting additional information that can discover the analytics based on this decision. </div><div><br></div><div>At the same time, even if it was not so effective, and there is a request from the community, it might be useful to understand how to make things better, how to increase its effectiveness, etc. </div><div><br></div><div>In some cases it is better to understand why an instrument is not productive and make it better, instead of dropping it at all.</div><div><br></div><div>Did you have such discussions and analysis?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Sincerely,<br><br>Vahan Hovsepyan,<br>Armenia<br><br>Tel. (+374 94) 25 89 00<br>E-mail: <br><a href="mailto:vahan.hovsepyan@gmail.com" target="_blank">vahan.hovsepyan@gmail.com</a><br><br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 at 17:37, Nazar Nicholas via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(32,18,77)">Dear Veni,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(32,18,77)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(32,18,77)">I agree with your point but not every decision has to take a "corporate America strategic" route! That is why ISOC is not a company. 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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Dear Amrita, <br>
It seems that many of the decisions are not taken because ISOC
wanted to take them, but because it had to. Andrew has said
several times that he had to take them, regardless of his personal
feelings or friendships. <br>
Perhaps the chapters don't quite understand the reasoning, and
maybe this is what needs to get some better explanations?<br>
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v/<br>
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<div>On 3/12/24 09:13, Amrita Choudhury via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I join the people in stating that Joly has been
providing invaluable support to ISOC chapters and community over
the world.His recordings of events, editing them and making them
available for all at all times is invaluable.
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<div dir="auto">It is really unfortunate that ISOC Org feels
cutting down this cost is beneficial for the organization.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hope staff and the BOT review once again the
REAL the impact these recordings make at the global communuty
(decision makers, regulators, people working in IG space,
young people interested in understanding and advocating
issues, etc.)</div>
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<div dir="auto">Regards,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Amrita</div>
<div dir="auto">India Delhi Chapter</div>
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Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates, <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
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Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 03:23:14PM +0300, Nazar Nicholas wrote:<br>
<br>
>Does the BOT have the teeth to check the CEO before he/she
makes potentially<br>
>difficult or community-affecting decisions?<br>
<br>
The board is my boss. They can fire me, and they can direct
me not to do things, just like any boss can. If, however, you
are in a situation where the board is effectively telling the
CEO what to do as part of his/her duties, then you have a
broken arrangement. There's a reason we separate board issues
from staff issues, and it is precisely so that the board is
not trying to do (as a collective) what is better handled by a
single individual who can delegate the operational
responsibility.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
A<br>
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