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<p>+1 Mohan and Veni. <br>
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<p>BTW Veni, Raj was Regional VP Asia-Pacific with a fairly
autonomous remit, not a chapter management or compliance staffer
directed from Central/HQ. Experienced people like Raj and Joly
were and are competent, productive, but also independent thinkers
and doers. It's interesting to note that the Asia-Pacific, a large
and diverse region, still doesn't have a replacement for Raj
(essentially the APAC Bureau has been dismantled). Then again, i
suppose it doesn't make sense to hire and pay for yet another new
staffer if all she/he is going to do is echo and pass down
instructions from above.</p>
<p>WYn<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11 Mar 2024 12:22 AM, Veni Markovski
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<div dir="auto">Agree wholeheartedly with Mohan!<br>
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<div dir="auto">Not renewing his contract is a huge loss for the
broader Internet community. And, sadly, it seems that’s a
pattern with recent layoffs of highly skilled people (if you
remember the about 10% that were let go or whatever is the right
term used in such situations). The fact that the former
engagement person in Asia, Raj Singh, was immediately recruited
by another similar organization (APNIC foundation) is a
testament for the big loss for ISOC and for his qualifications.<br>
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<div dir="auto">July has dedicated years to provide live feed and
archive recordings from countless of interesting and relevant
meetings, which helped not only the transparency of ISOC, but
also supported chapters in having a first row seat for some
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On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 07:12:00 PM GMT+5:30,
Joly MacFie via Chapter-delegates <<a
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I may carve out the section of Oliver's BoT
missive that pertains to me.</div>
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Termination of contract for Joly McFie -
isoc.live</i></div>
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At the recent Chapters Advisory Council
meeting, we learned that Joly McFie's
services were no longer going to be
contracted for Live Streaming. The powers
that be at ISOC found that most people were
watching recorded videos than the live video
streaming, which in my opinion makes sense
because live watching requires people to do
it at a time T but many people like to watch
the event later - and also when Live, many
people had a preference to be on the
original Zoom channel to take an active part
in asking questions remotely. The Live
Channels archive was great for ISOC's image.
A great showcase of: "This is what we do!" -
with "we" conveying the global dimension of
the Internet Society through its memorable
Chapter events.<br>
<br>
It seems to have been decided unilaterally
that in order to cut on costs, Joly will not
longer be contracted full time to LiveStream
and Archive events with the added excellent
professional service of adding captions and
making a recording very polished indeed and
ready for public consumption.<br>
We learned that Joly can still be contracted
on a project basis by both ISOC teams and
chapters. The budget would come from the
party who enters into the contract with
Joly. Chapters can include these costs in
their event budgets when applying for a
Beyond the Net Small<<a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/grant-programme/beyond-the-net-small-grants/"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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grant.<br>
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ISOC will continue to record its public
marquee events and post the recordings
thereof for on-demand viewing.<br>
<br>
ISOC's messages are unclear: on the one hand
it says that it has more money to support
the community than the number of
applications it receives for funding and on
the other hand it cuts a major volunteer and
chapter support programme and replaces it
with yet more bureaucracy. It is replacing
an ISOC Community Resource for everyone with
an elitist on-demand selection process with
lengthy application documents that will just
push back on Chapter activity.<br>
<br>
4.2.1 Was this change in process /
withdrawal of service agreed with the
Chapter Advisory Council or with Chapters in
any way?<br>
4.2.2 What will happen with the current
excellent archive of livestreams which
constitute an amazing library of Chapter
events of many many years?<br>
4.2.3 Why introduce the unreasonable
bureaucratic overheads in the process of
booking Joly McFie's services with an events
budget request? Some Chapters have regular
Webinars and adding an official request for
an event budget is a waste of volunteer
time. Plus there is a limitation as to how
many requests a Chapter can make. Plus all
the necessary bureaucratic reports that need
to be filed afterwards.<br>
4.2.4 Couldn't the Internet Society just
have an on-demand contract with Joly McFie
and make payment on a per event basis,
without needing all the bureaucracy to file
for "events budget"?</i><br>
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<div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">What
I will say first is that 'on-demand' is
essentially a non-starter. I am essentially a
self-starter and most streams are
interventions rather than requests. Agility is
key. Take, just for one example, Friday's <a
href="https://isoc.live/17412/"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true">Alumni Network Women
Pioneers</a> event. I first got the info at
8am and was streaming at 10, and it was only
confirmed that archiving was ok two thirds of
the way through the session!<br>
<br>
Then the question of livestreamed versus
recorded content. How it works is that the
livestreaming drives the recorded content, 1)
material is edited on the fly, rather than a
delayed process, giving 2) an instantly
accessible archive, which can then be further
segmented and properly archived. </div>
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<div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">In
the case of Zoom calls, active participation
is not always practical. A livestream, or even
simply real time text, can be a good way to
keep up and stay informed. And also, unless a
Zoom cloud recording, with all options such as
hiqh quality, separate screen and speaker etc,
is made available, the switched livestream is
going to be way superior quality. I note that,
in the case of SGs/SIGS the provided Zoom
accounts have cloud recording disabled. </div>
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<div
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the livestreaming was a NY chapter activity.
Then, around 2010, I was contracted by Anne
Lord to manage other Chapters livestreams,
over a single Livestream channel. A couple
years later Paul Brigner took over the North
America Bureau with a strong policy of
engagement via livestreaming, including
active outreach to other communities to
stream their events, and investment in
production capability. I ended up working
pretty much full time. </div>
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Paul left, COO Todd Tolbert contracted me,
as part of IT support, to keep running the
now wider livestreaming activity, with the
additional remit of establishing one place
that people could go to find streams, and
thus <a href="https://isoc.live"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://isoc.live</a>
was born. </div>
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<div
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Todd left, and I was bounced over to Comms.
This has never been a good fit. Comms work
is getting the word out. My work is
basically bringing stuff in, making it
available, and preserving it. I used to joke
that the only time I heard from Comms was
when they told me NOT to stream stuff. The
idea being that limiting access brought
value to being an ISOC member. The exception
was the PIR campaign, when suddenly I was in
demand. Nevertheless I have done a fair deal
of recording and editing of ISOC regional
events, even if only to post some of them
unlisted on YouTube. <br>
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Given this, Comms tolerance of this
'streamer in residence' budget item is
laudable, I guess. Up til now, that is.
The shoe dropped at the start of the year. I
was told, in the choice of 'need to have'
and 'nice to have', the latter had to go,
and I was in that category, and funding
would cease at end of Q1 2024.</div>
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<div
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much, you might ask? Well I've been on
$63,600 per annum. Out of this I pay all my
expenses, including servers, power, accounts
like Otter, Descript, etc, living expenses
in NYC, not a cheap city, and tax. In
addition to this, ISOC has been paying for
the 3 Livestream.com premium channels @ $900
per annum = $2700. So, a total of $66,300.</div>
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<div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">What
this does not cover is if I have to gather
up my kit and schlep out and do production
on location, and this has occasionally been
funded by yes, Beyond The Net (IGF-USA), or
even the North America Region (State of the
Net), or just Chapter funds.Other community
groups such as A11yNYC, BetaNYC, and Silicon
Harlem fund it themselves, while the NY
Chapter sponsors the webcast channel via
ISOC.</div>
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<div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">But,
there can be a problem, as currently, in the
case of 2024 State of the Net. Due to the
unfortunate death of John More, ISOC-DC was
without a treasurer ubtil the appointment of
Jon Conradt at the end of the year, and his
BTN Fluxx application foundered, and I am
yet to get paid. I am guessing this was due
to new stringent '8 week advance'
requirement over at ISOC Foundation. When I
asked North America Region to cover, I was
told, oh well, you should have asked in
advance. This event, the most prestigious
Internet Policy event in North America,
involves travel to DC, covering 4 tracks of
content. re-editing and archiving, at a cost
$4.5k. The Internet Society logo appears on
every minute of the livestream and <a
href="https://bit.ly/sotn2024vids"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true">archived video</a>,
which includes, Congressmen, top White House
and Agency officials, etc. If ISOC DC has to
cough up, it will make a serious dent in
their funds, all because of ISOC red tape.<br>
<br>
Olivier mentioned the archive. So, that
original channel, that Anne Lord paid for,
was on the 'old' livestream which was like a
TV newsroom. What Paul got, and we currently
still use is the 'new' livestream, which is
event based. A few years back, the 'old'
system was sunset, and downloading the
archive was awkward, and then they just
deleted the whole thing. Realizing that if
we ever stopped paying for the 'new;, I
changed my workflow so that all events were
more or less immediately ported over to the<a
href="https://archive.org/details/@isoc_live" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true"> Internet Archive</a> where,
hopefully they will exist in perpetuity. </div>
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<div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Late
last year, Vimeo, who had bought Livestream
Inc, announced that they were in turn
shutting that service down, and would not
renew accounts after the end of the year.
Fortunately our accounts renewed in
December, so we are good until December 2024
with the current channels, after which there
will have to be a switch to some other
platform, maybe AWS. I don't actually favor
YouTube, because 1) copyright issues can
kill a stream 2) ads 3 ) tracking. I do
currently do Twitter, Twitch and Facebook,
but as secondary simulcasts, due to the same
issues.</div>
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have had some back and forth with Vimeo, and
it seems we will be able to grab the
content, in some form, by first transferring
it to a Vimeo Premium account (ISOC has one)
and then downloading in bulk. I have
procrastinated this til the summer. Not
confirmed, but in my call with Comms, it was
mooted that ISOC might pay for the work
involved.</div>
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main point is, <b
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">in
December, ALL legacy ISOC <a
href="http://livestream.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true">livestream.com</a>
links/embeds will break</u></b>. Any
Chapters that have legacy livestream content
will have to update to the same content on <a
href="http://archive.org" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true">archive.org</a>. If
you have live stuff on your Chapter website
and would like to jump the queue, then it's
as simple as making a request to
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:support@isoc.live">support@isoc.live</a> with details, to get
wheels in motion.</div>
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to what will happen to ISOC LIVE from April
1 2024 on? Well, I plan to continue much as
usual, but this is somewhat contingent on
finding alternate funding. Perhaps the ISOC
Fondation may have an epiphany that it's
something they should continue to support,
perhaps other donor(s) may emerge. Or some
combination. Maybe a Large grant. In order
to facilitate this, the NY Chapter Board, at
a recent meeting, approved a motion to
fiscally sponsor ISOC LIVE as a chapter
project, thus a) maintaining the ISOC nexus,
and b) making such contributions tax
deductible in the US.</div>
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<div
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hear what the BOT will say today. BTW BoT
meetings are a good example of inferior zoom
recordings. Years ago I asked to be able to
stream them and was rebuffed. But that was
before the new transparency era. I guess I
could do a recording and post the reports.</div>
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