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    <p>+1 Mohan and Veni. <br>
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    <p>BTW Veni, Raj was Regional VP Asia-Pacific with a fairly
      autonomous remit, not a chapter management or compliance staffer
      directed from Central/HQ. Experienced people like Raj and Joly
      were and are competent, productive, but also independent thinkers
      and doers. It's interesting to note that the Asia-Pacific, a large
      and diverse region, still doesn't have a replacement for Raj
      (essentially the APAC Bureau has been dismantled). Then again, i
      suppose it doesn't make sense to hire and pay for yet another new
      staffer if all she/he is going to do is echo and pass down
      instructions from above.</p>
    <p>WYn<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11 Mar 2024 12:22 AM, Veni Markovski
      via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">Agree wholeheartedly with Mohan!<br>
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      <div dir="auto">Not renewing his contract is a huge loss for the
        broader Internet community. And, sadly, it seems that’s a
        pattern with recent layoffs of highly skilled people (if you
        remember the about 10% that were let go or whatever is the right
        term used in such situations). The fact that the former
        engagement person in Asia, Raj Singh, was immediately recruited
        by another similar organization (APNIC foundation) is a
        testament for the big loss for ISOC and for his qualifications.<br>
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      <div dir="auto">July has dedicated years to provide live feed and
        archive recordings from countless of interesting and relevant
        meetings, which helped not only the transparency of ISOC, but
        also supported chapters in having a first row seat for some
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                        Best regards,<br>
                        Veni Markovski<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at
            11:53 K Mohan Raidu via Chapter-delegates <<a
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              <div dir="ltr"> <span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dear
                    fellow members,</span></span><br>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;outline:currentcolor!important">Joly
                    McFie has been rendering sincere and yeoman service
                    to ISOC.</span></font></div>
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                    responds 24X7 during all days, including holidays.</span></font></div>
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                  STRONGLY disagree for terminating his services. And I
                  am sure, every ISOC Member agrees with me.</font></div>
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                    On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 07:12:00 PM GMT+5:30,
                    Joly MacFie via Chapter-delegates <<a
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                          I may carve out the section of Oliver's BoT
                          missive that pertains to me.</div>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">4.2
                            Termination of contract for Joly McFie -
                            isoc.live</i></div>
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                            At the recent Chapters Advisory Council
                            meeting, we learned that Joly McFie's
                            services were no longer going to be
                            contracted for Live Streaming. The powers
                            that be at ISOC found that most people were
                            watching recorded videos than the live video
                            streaming, which in my opinion makes sense
                            because live watching requires people to do
                            it at a time T but many people like to watch
                            the event later - and also when Live, many
                            people had a preference to be on the
                            original Zoom channel to take an active part
                            in asking questions remotely. The Live
                            Channels archive was great for ISOC's image.
                            A great showcase of: "This is what we do!" -
                            with "we" conveying the global dimension of
                            the Internet Society through its memorable
                            Chapter events.<br>
                            <br>
                            It seems to have been decided unilaterally
                            that in order to cut on costs, Joly will not
                            longer be contracted full time to LiveStream
                            and Archive events with the added excellent
                            professional service of adding captions and
                            making a recording very polished indeed and
                            ready for public consumption.<br>
                            We learned that Joly can still be contracted
                            on a project basis by both ISOC teams and
                            chapters. The budget would come from the
                            party who enters into the contract with
                            Joly. Chapters can include these costs in
                            their event budgets when applying for a
                            Beyond the Net Small<<a
href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/grant-programme/beyond-the-net-small-grants/"
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                            grant.<br>
                            <br>
                            ISOC will continue to record its public
                            marquee events and post the recordings
                            thereof for on-demand viewing.<br>
                            <br>
                            ISOC's messages are unclear: on the one hand
                            it says that it has more money to support
                            the community than the number of
                            applications it receives for funding and on
                            the other hand it cuts a major volunteer and
                            chapter support programme and replaces it
                            with yet more bureaucracy. It is replacing
                            an ISOC Community Resource for everyone with
                            an elitist on-demand selection process with
                            lengthy application documents that will just
                            push back on Chapter activity.<br>
                            <br>
                            4.2.1 Was this change in process /
                            withdrawal of service agreed with the
                            Chapter Advisory Council or with Chapters in
                            any way?<br>
                            4.2.2 What will happen with the current
                            excellent archive of livestreams which
                            constitute an amazing library of Chapter
                            events of many many years?<br>
                            4.2.3 Why introduce the unreasonable
                            bureaucratic overheads in the process of
                            booking Joly McFie's services with an events
                            budget request? Some Chapters have regular
                            Webinars and adding an official request for
                            an event budget is a waste of volunteer
                            time. Plus there is a limitation as to how
                            many requests a Chapter can make. Plus all
                            the necessary bureaucratic reports that need
                            to be filed afterwards.<br>
                            4.2.4 Couldn't the Internet Society just
                            have an on-demand contract with Joly McFie
                            and make payment on a per event basis,
                            without needing all the bureaucracy to file
                            for "events budget"?</i><br>
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                        <div
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                          I will say first is that 'on-demand' is
                          essentially a non-starter. I am essentially a
                          self-starter and most streams are
                          interventions rather than requests. Agility is
                          key. Take, just for one example, Friday's <a
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                            Pioneers</a> event. I first got the info at
                          8am and was streaming at 10, and it was only
                          confirmed that archiving was ok two thirds of
                          the way through the session!<br>
                          <br>
                          Then the question of livestreamed versus
                          recorded content. How it works is that the
                          livestreaming drives the recorded content, 1)
                          material is edited on the fly, rather than a
                          delayed process, giving 2) an instantly
                          accessible archive, which can then be further
                          segmented and properly archived. </div>
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                        <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">In
                          the case of Zoom calls, active participation
                          is not always practical. A livestream, or even
                          simply real time text, can be a good way to
                          keep up and stay informed. And also, unless a
                          Zoom cloud recording, with all options such as
                          hiqh quality, separate screen and speaker etc,
                          is made available, the switched livestream is
                          going to be way superior quality. I note that,
                          in the case of SGs/SIGS the provided Zoom
                          accounts have cloud recording disabled. </div>
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                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Originally
                            the livestreaming was a NY chapter activity.
                            Then, around 2010, I was contracted by Anne
                            Lord  to manage other Chapters livestreams,
                            over a single Livestream channel. A couple
                            years later Paul Brigner took over the North
                            America Bureau with a strong policy of
                            engagement via livestreaming, including
                            active outreach to other communities to
                            stream their events, and investment in
                            production capability. I ended up working
                            pretty much full time. </div>
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                          <div
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                            Paul left, COO Todd Tolbert contracted me,
                            as part of IT support, to keep running the
                            now wider livestreaming activity, with the
                            additional remit of establishing one place
                            that people could go to find streams, and
                            thus <a href="https://isoc.live"
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                            was born. </div>
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                          <div
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                            Todd left, and I was bounced over to Comms.
                            This has never been a good fit. Comms work
                            is getting the word out. My work is
                            basically bringing stuff in, making it
                            available, and preserving it. I used to joke
                            that the only time I heard from Comms was
                            when they told me NOT to stream stuff. The
                            idea being that limiting access brought
                            value to being an ISOC member. The exception
                            was the PIR campaign, when suddenly I was in
                            demand. Nevertheless I have done a fair deal
                            of recording and editing of ISOC regional
                            events, even if only to post some of them
                            unlisted on YouTube.  <br>
                            <br>
                            Given this, Comms tolerance of this
                            'streamer in residence' budget item is
                            laudable, I guess. Up til now, that is.
                            The shoe dropped at the start of the year. I
                            was told, in the choice of 'need to have'
                            and 'nice to have', the latter had to go,
                            and I was in that category, and funding
                            would cease at end of Q1 2024.</div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">How
                            much, you might ask? Well I've been on
                            $63,600 per annum. Out of this I pay all my
                            expenses, including servers, power, accounts
                            like Otter, Descript, etc, living expenses
                            in NYC, not a cheap city, and tax. In
                            addition to this, ISOC has been paying for
                            the 3 Livestream.com premium channels @ $900
                            per annum = $2700. So, a total of $66,300.</div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">What
                            this does not cover is if I have to gather
                            up my kit and schlep out and do production
                            on location, and this has occasionally been
                            funded by yes, Beyond The Net (IGF-USA), or
                            even the North America Region (State of the
                            Net), or just Chapter funds.Other community
                            groups such as A11yNYC, BetaNYC, and Silicon
                            Harlem fund it themselves, while the NY
                            Chapter sponsors the webcast channel via
                            ISOC.</div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">But,
                            there can be a problem, as currently, in the
                            case of 2024 State of the Net. Due to the
                            unfortunate death of John More, ISOC-DC was
                            without a treasurer ubtil the appointment of
                            Jon Conradt at the end of the year, and his
                            BTN Fluxx application foundered, and I am
                            yet to get paid. I am guessing this was due
                            to new stringent '8 week advance'
                            requirement over at ISOC Foundation. When I
                            asked North America Region to cover, I was
                            told, oh well, you should have asked in
                            advance. This event, the most prestigious
                            Internet Policy event in North America,
                            involves travel to DC, covering 4 tracks of
                            content. re-editing and archiving, at a cost
                            $4.5k. The Internet Society logo appears on
                            every minute of the livestream and <a
                              href="https://bit.ly/sotn2024vids"
                              rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">archived video</a>,
                            which includes, Congressmen, top White House
                            and Agency officials, etc. If ISOC DC has to
                            cough up, it will make a serious dent in
                            their funds, all because of ISOC red tape.<br>
                            <br>
                            Olivier mentioned the archive. So, that
                            original channel, that Anne Lord paid for,
                            was on the 'old' livestream which was like a
                            TV newsroom. What Paul got, and we currently
                            still use is the 'new' livestream, which is
                            event based. A few years back, the 'old'
                            system was sunset, and downloading the
                            archive was awkward, and then they just
                            deleted the whole thing. Realizing that if
                            we ever stopped paying for the 'new;, I
                            changed my workflow so that all events were
                            more or less immediately ported over to the<a
href="https://archive.org/details/@isoc_live" rel="nofollow"
                              target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"> Internet Archive</a> where,
                            hopefully they will exist in perpetuity. </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Late
                            last year, Vimeo, who had bought Livestream
                            Inc, announced that they were in turn
                            shutting that service down, and would not
                            renew accounts after the end of the year.
                            Fortunately our accounts renewed in
                            December, so we are good until December 2024
                            with the current channels, after which there
                            will have to be a switch to some other
                            platform, maybe AWS. I don't actually favor
                            YouTube, because 1) copyright issues can
                            kill a stream 2) ads 3 ) tracking. I do
                            currently do Twitter, Twitch and Facebook,
                            but as secondary simulcasts, due to the same
                            issues.</div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I
                            have had some back and forth with Vimeo, and
                            it seems we will be able to grab the
                            content, in some form, by first transferring
                            it to a Vimeo Premium account (ISOC has one)
                            and then downloading in bulk. I have
                            procrastinated this til the summer. Not
                            confirmed, but in my call with Comms, it was
                            mooted that ISOC might pay for the work
                            involved.</div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">The
                            main point is, <b
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><u
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">in
                                December, ALL legacy ISOC <a
                                  href="http://livestream.com"
                                  rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">livestream.com</a>
                                links/embeds will break</u></b>. Any
                            Chapters that have legacy livestream content
                            will have to update to the same content on <a
                              href="http://archive.org" rel="nofollow"
                              target="_blank"
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">archive.org</a>. If
                            you have live stuff on your Chapter website
                            and would like to jump the queue, then it's
                            as simple as making a request to
                            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:support@isoc.live">support@isoc.live</a> with details, to get
                            wheels in motion.</div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">As
                            to what will happen to ISOC LIVE from April
                            1 2024 on? Well, I plan to continue much as
                            usual, but this is somewhat contingent on
                            finding alternate funding. Perhaps the ISOC
                            Fondation may have an epiphany that it's
                            something they should continue to support,
                            perhaps other donor(s) may emerge. Or some
                            combination. Maybe a Large grant.  In order
                            to facilitate this, the NY Chapter Board, at
                            a recent meeting, approved a motion to
                            fiscally sponsor ISOC LIVE as a chapter
                            project, thus a) maintaining the ISOC nexus,
                            and b) making such contributions tax
                            deductible in the US.</div>
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style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> </div>
                          <div
style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Interested to
                            hear what the BOT will say today. BTW BoT
                            meetings are a good example of inferior zoom
                            recordings. Years ago I asked to be able to
                            stream them and was rebuffed. But that was
                            before the new transparency era. I guess I
                            could do a recording and post the reports.</div>
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style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
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style="font-size:small;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Still
                            streaming</div>
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