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<p>Dear Chapter Delegates,</p>
<p>first of all: thx to Olivier and his Chapter fellows for
compiling and asking this set of great questions.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Joly MacFie via Chapter-delegates wrote
on 09.02.24 16:51:<br>
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cite="mid:CAM9VJk0AncLywvRXNsv6P9RROkZgUKCWBJZOEdsbGsQy1xSLaA@mail.gmail.com">
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"
class="gmail_quote">it is clear that the new Chapter<br>
Membership Administration System is failing to achieve the
functions it<br>
was meant to achieve:<br>
a. emailing members<br>
b. hosting fora for community discussions like the Chapter
Advisory<br>
Council discussions and other fora</blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Well, not
totally clear. As Admin and Communications officer of ISOC-DC I
have been using Fonteva for weekly emails to our membership, The
Interplanetary Chapter also sends out regular emails. Once
mastered, it is relatively easy, and I love that the -TR journey
actually reaches the Chapter's entire membership, something
Membernova never did. Yes, it needs improvement, Veni's request
for translated subjects, for example, but it's not broken.</div>
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<p>We don't live in the middle ages. And we should not expect
ISOCians to get too enthusiastic about a monolithic feature
monster, just because few of the features are working.</p>
<p>The oldies among us may remember times when ISOC was seen as the
place where people knew, how Internet technology can and should be
used to build a network of networks. ISOC told the world how open
standards, interoperability, running code ... (you name it) can be
used to build and maintain the biggest network ever and how to
keep it open for everyone. ISOC provided a bridge between
technology and society.<br>
</p>
<p>Compared to this, setting up a system for membership
administration (AMS) should be an easy thing - given the
availability of all the standards, (mostly open source) tools, and
the knowledge the Internet holds. Wouldn't it be fair to expect
that an AMS follows the same principles of openness and standard
conformance? (Recently Christian de Larrinaga used the nerdy "eat
your own dog food" analogy to ask for this). Well, maybe
commissioning agencies with completely different mindset and
skills is not the best way to achieve this.<br>
</p>
<p>Unfortunately this is not only a matter of credibility. It is
also a matter of respecting the work of those chapters who managed
to run a working membership administration for years. Since 2011
(12+ years now!) ISOC fails to provide an AMS interface to
exchange members data. The only way to get/feed data from/to the
various AMSs was and is "point/click/type". So quite some - error
prone - manual work was and is required to keep working Chapter
members administrations in sync with poorly working ISOC's AMSs.</p>
<p>The good news: it costs ISOC nothing. Because - of course - it is
not payed ISOC staff who is expected to provide the required
additional work but ... guess who? <br>
</p>
<p>So let's not be overly grateful.</p>
<p>Klaus</p>
<p>PS.: Recently the "Please Review Your New Chapter Membership
Application" mails stopped working. AFAIK it was the only modest
messaging of members data from ISOC to Chapters. And - after
applying some -sort of- AI - it could be used for automatic
processing of Chapter membership applications coming from ISOC. (A
fix was promised.)<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="0">--
Klaus Birkenbihl
Internet Society German Chapter (ISOC.DE) e.V.
c/o ict-Media GmbH
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.isoc.de">https://www.isoc.de</a></pre>
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