<div dir="auto">Hello everyone.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">According to the good tradition, I also state that I represent only myself in this discussion (which is more than enough btw).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dear colleagues, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We are here to STRENGTHEN communities, not to BREAK them apart by any means. Today's world is already divided, without any need of additional effort from ISOC members. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Any war has two sides and two truths. We have to listen to everyone, of course. But no one elected or delegated us here to become judges and / or to talk with verdicts, who is right and who is not. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This inappropriate behavior is damaging to the community, to say the least and is unacceptable. Let's use ISOC community channels for community's benefits only.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you</div><div dir="auto">David</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">###</div><div dir="auto">For the ISOC-related discussions: </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Deputy Chair</div><div dir="auto">ISOC Georgia</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 5:16 PM Borka Jerman Blazic via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>Bombing the city of Gaza and
surroundings has obviously damaged the internet infrastructure
(links and servers). The damage was results mainly from the Israel
bombing the city by the Israel army. So responsibility is in the
Israel army and the repair must be done by the subject that caused
the damage. Do not try to hide the responsibility for not working
internet. </div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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<div>Borka</div>
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<div>Alan Levin je 8. 11. 2023 ob
13:21 napisal:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 at 13:37,
Hank Nussbacher via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I
am responding here as myself and not representing any
organization.<br>
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<div>me too</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If
Israel had the ability or even the capability to hit a
button to turn <br>
off the Internet, they would not. And the connectivity
numbers over <br>
the past month prove that.<br>
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<div>And even if they could, I do not believe one country
should have the ability to shut down their neighbours
internet.</div>
<div>It is best to get more than one upstream.</div>
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<div>I believe "Internet Shutdowns" are by definition only
applicable when done by their own government - and I hope
the IETF will define it as such in their meeting today</div>
<div> </div>
<div>In this case I believe you are (falsely) accusing another
government - in a bitter war with you - of shutting down
your Internet. I believe this is highly political but
technically incorrect. I believe it is recognised as best
practice to run any network with multiple / redundant
upstream providers. </div>
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<div>Hope this helps,</div>
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<div>Alan</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">>
Hi everybody,<br>
><br>
> Last year the whole technical and internet community
managed the <br>
> internet infrastructure in Ukraine and Russia despite
the Ukraine <br>
> requests to delete all .rs domains and allocated IP
numbers from RIPE <br>
> to thiis domain to stay without any changes. ISOC,
RIPE,ICANN and <br>
> other organisation that have been asked to
delete/remove the IP <br>
> numbers and .rs domains refused to do so and the
technical <br>
> infrastructure stayed as it was. A letter that asked to
protect the <br>
> current technical infrastructure based on the requests
from all <br>
> worldwide organizations was sent by the ISOC president
to the USA <br>
> president, Joe Biden.<br>
> The internet infrastructure is a technical
infrastructure and should <br>
> stay working even in a war situation and should not be
a subject of <br>
> any politics as "internet is for everyone". So,
everything should be <br>
> done for recovering the internet in Gaza. Access to
internet is <br>
> classified in UN as a human right. The world should
be informed what <br>
> is happening in Gaza.<br>
><br>
> For ISOC Slovenia<br>
><br>
> Borka Jerman Blažič<br>
><br>
><br>
> Zaher Qassrawi via Chapter-delegates je 8. 11. 2023 ob
10:38 napisal:<br>
>><br>
>> *Internet Shutdown in Gaza*<br>
>><br>
>> **<br>
>><br>
>> Internet Society – Palestine Chapter would like to
draw your <br>
>> attention to the ongoing internet shutdown in Gaza,
regularly imposed <br>
>> by the Israeli government, and the profound effects
it is having on <br>
>> the lives of the people in the region. It is time
to highlight what <br>
>> the United Nations High Commissioner for Human
Rights, stated in <br>
>> March 2023: that it is essential to reinforce
universal access to the <br>
>> internet as a human right, and not just a
privilege.<br>
>><br>
>> This internet shutdown has serious implications for
basic human <br>
>> rights, safety, and the livelihoods of the
residents of Gaza. The <br>
>> decision to shut down the internet in Gaza has
created a significant <br>
>> disruption in the daily lives of the people living
there. The <br>
>> internet is an essential tool for communication,
especially in these <br>
>> challenging times, and for accessing vital
information. With its <br>
>> sudden absence, many aspects of daily life have
been severely <br>
>> impacted during times of conflict:<br>
>><br>
>> 1. *Healthcare*: In times of crisis, being online
is of paramount <br>
>> importance as it serves as a lifeline connecting
individuals to <br>
>> essential services like healthcare and emergency
response teams. <br>
>> Access to the internet enables people to quickly
reach out to medical <br>
>> professionals for vital health advice, especially
when seconds can <br>
>> make a difference in emergencies. Additionally,
being online allows <br>
>> individuals to report their location, enabling
ambulances and first <br>
>> responders to reach them swiftly, potentially
saving lives. In <br>
>> situations where every moment counts, the internet
serves as a <br>
>> crucial tool to bridge the gap between those in
distress and the <br>
>> assistance they urgently require. The internet
shutdown has hindered <br>
>> access to medical advice and healthcare
information, potentially <br>
>> putting lives at risk. Dr. Duaa Abu Shakra was a
real-life example of <br>
>> such a need when she sent a message from the ruins
of her destroyed <br>
>> house for help. This message allowed first
responders to reach her <br>
>> and save her life along with her family.<br>
>><br>
>> 2. *Communication*: The ability to communicate with
loved ones, <br>
>> access critical information, and maintain contact
with the outside <br>
>> world is now severely limited. Families are
struggling to connect <br>
>> with each other, and many are left in the dark
about the safety and <br>
>> well-being of their relatives in other parts of the
world.<br>
>><br>
>> 3. *Information Flow*: Access to accurate and
timely information is <br>
>> crucial, particularly in times of crisis. The
internet shutdown <br>
>> limits the ability of the people in Gaza to stay
informed about the <br>
>> evolving situation, which can have serious
implications for their <br>
>> safety and well-being. This raises concerns about
the Israeli <br>
>> government's willingness to conceal what happened
in Gaza without any <br>
>> witnesses.<br>
>><br>
>> We call upon the international community to urge
the Israeli <br>
>> government to reconsider the internet shutdown in
Gaza and to find <br>
>> alternative means to address their concerns while
ensuring that the <br>
>> basic human rights and needs of the people in the
region are met. It <br>
>> is essential to remember that a thriving and
connected community is <br>
>> more likely to contribute to peace and stability in
the region.<br>
>><br>
>> We urge the international community to closely
monitor the situation <br>
>> and work towards a resolution that respects the
rights and well-being <br>
>> of all individuals affected by this internet
shutdown.<br>
>><br>
>> *Internet Society*<br>
>><br>
>> *Palestine Chapter*<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://isoc.ps/?p=582" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://isoc.ps/?p=582</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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><br>
> -- <br>
> Prof.dr.Borka Jerman-Blažič Ex-Head, Laboratory for
Open systems and <br>
> Networks Jožef Stefan Institute and Faculty of
Economics, Ljubljana <br>
> University Slovenia tel. +386 1 477 3408 tel. +386 1
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Ex-Head, Laboratory for Open systems and Networks
Jožef Stefan Institute and
Faculty of Economics, Ljubljana University
Slovenia
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