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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Vint, <br>
I believe you are right (not sure about the requirement, but take
your word on that). <br>
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Many years ago, when I was on the ISOC Board of Trustees, there
was a plan proposed by some of us how ISOC could actually get such
public support, so that it will avoid the risk you explain. <br>
Our proposal was not implemented, and it seems not much has been
done </font>since, if the lack of public support has resulted in
letting so many people go. <br>
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Btw, for those interested, here are two links with data about the
finances:<br>
ISOC 990 form:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/INTERNET-SOCIETY_CLIENT-990PD_2021.pdf">https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/INTERNET-SOCIETY_CLIENT-990PD_2021.pdf</a> <br>
PIR 990 form:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://thenew.org/app/uploads/2022/11/PUBLIC-INTEREST-REGISTRY_TAX-RETURN_CLIENT-COPY-PD-990-PUBLIC-INSPECTION_2021.pdf">https://thenew.org/app/uploads/2022/11/PUBLIC-INTEREST-REGISTRY_TAX-RETURN_CLIENT-COPY-PD-990-PUBLIC-INSPECTION_2021.pdf</a><br>
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Chairman of the Board<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/20/23 07:52, vinton cerf via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:#000000">Olivier,
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:#000000">to
maintain 501(c)(3) status in the US (ie tax credit for donors
to the organization), ISOC has to show broad support from the
public. The significant income from PIR operations cannot be
fully transferred to ISOC without overwhelming the requirement
that 33 1/3 % of income to ISOC must come from "public"
sources which can include private and corporate donors. If
ISOC receives more than 2/3 of its operating income from PIR,
it puts the public charity status of ISOC at risk. If not all
of the net income of PIR can go to ISOC, it ends up in a fund
accumulating at PIR which can be spent only on other 501(c)(3)
entities but not on ISOC because of the public support
statistics. There is another 10% threshold that can work
temporarily (more details), but this is not a permanent
solution. The only solution is to raise more public funding. I
think ISOC might find it helpful to explain this in its web
pages to dispel the misunderstanding that the .org/PIR income
solves all problems for ISOC.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:#000000">Andrew,
please correct me if I have misstated this. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at
5:50 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates <<a
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<div> Dear Andrew,<br>
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<div>On 15/09/2023 19:59, Andrew Sullivan via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Our income is not keeping up with
our expenses and we have not been able to attract the
level of public support that we need to do, and there
isn't anything else left to cut, so we had to make a
difficult decision about where to retrench.</blockquote>
<br>
Thank you for your explanatory note. Always sad to see
people go. One thing that caught my eye was the above
sentence which contains some ambiguities. Would you please
be so kind to flesh this out? I just do not want to
misinterpret the first part of the sentence relating to
income and public support.<br>
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Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
UK England Chapter<br>
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