<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">You are free to join or not. You are not free to say another how to think. <br><div><br></div><div>Think well before write or do not write at all. </div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">Carlos Vera </div><div dir="ltr">sent from my proprietary iPhone </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">El 14 sep. 2023, a la(s) 18:30, Erik Huesca <erik@huesca.mx> escribió:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I'm astonished by your answer! All of us in the group try to have coherent conversations. Outside communication channels like the WhatsApp group overflow the communication, distorting the work and creating misunderstandings! </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">This is not a matter of joining or not a WhatsApp group; is an essential discussion of the proper use of communication tools. And who and, what, and where we produce ideas recommendations, and most importantly, keep the information for accountability, history, and the trace of ideas. A working group is a space for sharing views, paths, and doubts. If somebody uses alternative channels, the division becomes a reality, and the trace of ideas and proposals is lost forever. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Your answer "<span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Those that disagree are free not to join also. It can't be mandatory!" is unfortunate. Please don't call to disband the ideas, call to join and share, not disinformation!</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Erik S. Huesca</div><div dir="ltr"><div><b>F</b>undación para el <b>C</b>onocimiento y <b>C</b>ultura <b>D</b>igital (FUNCO)</div><div><a href="http://www.funco.mx" target="_blank">www.funco.mx</a></div><div><a href="mailto:erik@huesca.mx" target="_blank">erik@huesca.mx</a></div><div><a href="mailto:erik@funco.mx" target="_blank">erik@funco.mx</a></div><div>Móvil: + 55 26619243<span></span><span></span></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 3:19 PM Carlos Vera via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi everyone. I also answer to the email asking for a WhatsApp to create a group. This is not my proposal but I like it and participate when group is available. <br><br>Those that disagree are free to not join also. It can’t be mandatory! <br><br><div dir="ltr">Carlos Vera</div><div dir="ltr">Isoc Ecuador</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">El 13 sep. 2023, a la(s) 11:36, Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> escribió:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<p>+1 Jules. There is also the question of what purposes/usages
Messaging apps are good for. <br>
</p>
<p>For a quick poll as to which flavors of pizza to order for the
meeting, Messaging apps are a good fit. For actually discussing
anything substantive, likely not. Thus, while "this (face-to-face
or Zoom) meeting could have been an email" scans, "this meeting
could have been a WhatsApp (or FB Mess) chat" does not, not
usually. :) <br>
</p>
<p>Also, looking at all the criticism leveled against social media
posts for misinformation, i suspect that short-form comms such as
memes, captions, *and* messaging chats are as much to blame for
our 21st century dys-information.</p>
<p>Besides, i like threaded emails ... i routinely save some to disk
to serve as *evidence* ... errr, i mean -- documentation. :) <br>
</p>
<p>WYn<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>On 13 Sep 2023 2:53 AM, Johan
Helsingius via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I
understand the attraction of a whatsapp group, but doesn't
<br>
whatsapp represent all that we, as ISOC chapters, are fighting
<br>
against - closed, proprietary walled gardens controlled by
<br>
megacorporations that specifically refuse to interoperate
<br>
with other parts of the net?
<br>
<br>
Julf
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On 12/09/2023 20:36, diyaa shafique via Chapter-delegates wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi Carlos
<br>
I hope you are doing fine!
<br>
<br>
This is a great idea to start a whatsapp group, I would suggest
to create one and share the link here for everyone to join.
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,
<br>
<br>
--
<br>
Best Regards,
<br>
Madiha Shafique
<br>
VP- ISOC Pakistan
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 9:23 PM Alejandra Stolk via
Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>
<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank"><mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>> wrote:
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<br>
Dear Carlos,
<br>
<br>
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to answer
your
<br>
request to start a WhatsApp group. My WhatsApp number is
+584123700021.
<br>
<br>
Kind regards,
<br>
<br>
Ale Stolk
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023, 10:01 AM Carlos Vera via
Chapter-delegates
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<<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>
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<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank"><mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a>> wrote:
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Carlos Vera +593-988141143
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<br>
Isoc Ecuador
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<br>
Enviado desde mi iPhone
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