<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Well, Olivier, I think that is Klaus's point, to paraphrase the Smiths "How Now is Soon?"</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">j</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 6:52 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Hello all,<br>
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I thought ISOC was moving out of MemberNova soon? If so, there's
really not much point in huffing and puffing about it. :-)<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div>On 15/03/2023 09:21, Klaus Birkenbihl
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi Joly, hi chapter
delegates,<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">great! While
extending our expectation we can happily celebrate today the
third anniversary of our "MemberNova initiative". Admitted, I
missed a privatissime with Nick and Christine (I assume the
result would have been what Joly got from Kyle.) But beside
this there is not too much progress. Everything I wrote wrt.
anniversary #2 and before (see below) is still valid.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">While not too
surprised I payed a illuminating visit to <a href="https:membernova.com" target="_blank"><font color="red"><b>MailScanner has
detected a possible fraud attempt from
"https:membernova.com" claiming to be</b></font>
https:membernova.com</a>. There I learned that MemberNova is
to "Take your membership organization to the next level.
MemberNova is a membership success platform to manage, engage,
and grow your organization." The approach these guys have is
a greedy, </font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">completely centralized
feature monster. So</font> — despite of all promises from
staff — there is is no reason to expect, that they will
deliver anything more decentralized, with open interfaces
prepared to respect different needs, regional peculiarities or
legal requirements. MemberNova remains a huge, marble, white
elephant: very shiny, expensive, inflexible and immobile.
Btw.: is it unfair to assume that some staff considers this
rather an asset than a miss?<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Obviously further
discussion is not reasonable. Just let's celebrate, kindly
look forward to anniversary #4 of our precious "MemberNova
initiative" and continue to spend — and occasionally refuse —
effort and work for tasks, that computers should and could do
for us - if only we had a sound membership admin system.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Best regards,</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Klaus</font></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Klaus</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">In an
Accessibility SG call with Kyle Shulman yesterday, he
indicated we can expect a new AMS later in 2022.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">joly</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 6:49
AM Klaus Birkenbihl via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
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<p> Dear Chapter delegates, <br>
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<p>I am happy to congratulate the AMS/Membernova
initiative at its second anniversary. Milestones during
this second year: <br>
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<li> In October last year chapters admins were urged to
specify their requirements on base of a "Digital
Transformation" questionnaire holding a list of 91
questions. The deadline for an answer was within 2
weeks.</li>
<li>I understand that the evaluation of such a survey
takes some time. A month or maybe two or three ...
After half a year: did I miss the outcome of this
survey? Admitted: I'm annoyed since I spend quite some
time to seriously fill in the questionnaire under
tight time constrains. I did this while my inner voice
warned me about the poor quality of the questionnaire
and the hopelessness to ever see any results.</li>
<li>AMS/Membernova took another chance to get attention
— even outside the Internet Society. In December last
year it leaked personal members information. This was
discussed in extenso on this mailing list. No need to
elaborate here.</li>
</ul>
<p>Did I miss something?<br>
</p>
<p>Looking forward to the 3rd anniversary March 2023, best
regards<br>
</p>
<p>Klaus<br>
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<p>Klaus Birkenbihl schrieb am 08.03.21 um 15:36: </p>
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<pre>Dear Chapter delegates,
its now one year that we [Chapters admins] virtually gathered to discuss about urgently required improvements of membernova. [Anybody out there who can remember?] Some of us invested quite some work in this by tabling viable solutions to pressing issues.
Not only that we don't see any significant improvement of the situation - we also don't have much indication yet, what requirements were accepted, what might be considered, and which were rejected and why. There was some sign of life last July when Christine made some noise wrt some minor improvements of the (purely point and click) user interface — which still provides no option for syncing bulk data.
So the outcome - beside some very generic, not binding promises, and rather simple "improvements" — was negligible.
A final quote from October [after I sent a reminder]: [Christine Saegesser schrieb am 20.10.20 um 09:43:]
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<pre>We expect to have an update by 20 November. Between now and then, Lauren’s team will contact you directly when additional information is needed.
We look forward to the next “AMS Working Group” meeting, which was scheduled to take place in October, and will be in touch shortly with a suggested date for this.
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<pre>leaves me puzzled about the year.
So lets be patient and look forward to the next anniversary in March 2022
Klaus
PS.: My offer still holds: AMS/Membernova can receive from me up-to-date info about legally registered Chapter members in any established data format at any time - as long as its not me who has to compare and feed membership changes one by one by hand into AMS. [Though you probably will do it anyhow]: please don't blame me or the Chapter for outdated data in AMS.
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