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    Am I the only one in Chapter Delegates mailing list who received and
    read the email from Christine Saegesser explaining the problem with
    MemberNova and referring to:<br>
    <br>
    "As we noted in our prior email, after we learned of the issue, we
    launched an investigation. The investigation is continuing, and we
    will provide more details when we have more information to share.
    Going forward, updates will be posted at <a
      href="http://updates.internetsociety.org" class="">updates.internetsociety.org</a>,
    and we encourage you to check there for additional information. The
    membership password to access this website is ISOC-AMS-Updates (case
    sensitive)."<br>
    <br>
    Or is the problem that there does not appear to have been any
    updates since 21st January 2021?<br>
    <br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/02/2022 14:54, Veni Markovski via
      Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">+1 to the request for
        more clarity; our members need to be informed, and I don't want
        to share on social media a link to an article on some website.
        There should be something at isoc.org, and in the news section
        there's only one press release from 2022 - on February 4.  <br>
        <br>
        Also, it's not a good thing to find out from a publication about
        some of the details (I assume not all of them)...<br>
        <br>
        v/<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/16/22 04:19, Roland Turner via
        Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Andrew,</div>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Could we have a little more clarity
          on this please? Chapter members in multiple jurisdictions may
          have notification obligations arising from this.</div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://updates.internetsociety.org/">Jan 21</a>
          update states:</div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">
          <blockquote type="cite">Fortunately, we have still not seen
            any instances of malicious access to member data as a result
            of this issue.</blockquote>
        </div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">This appears a little unclear to me
          on two important fronts:</div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><b>"have not seen"</b></div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">An adversarial read of this is the
          rather horrifying idea that access logging was not turned on,
          so you (and MemberNet) haven't the faintest idea whether there
          were any unauthorised accesses, which would certainly allow
          you say that you hadn't seen any unauthorised accesses but
          wouldn't mean that there weren't any, even at a reasonable
          level of confidence. Hopefully this is not the case!</div>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><b>"malicious access"</b></div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The relevant question is not
          whether any accesses could be described as malicious, but
          simply whether they were unauthorised. An adversarial read of
          this is that there were unauthorised accesses, but because you
          don't have much information about the unauthorised accessers
          you not in a position to say that they were acting
          maliciously, however this would tell us nothing about whether
          there had been unauthorised access. Again, hopefully this is
          not the case!</div>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">To address both concerns, are you
          able to confirm that:</div>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">
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              <li>access logging was turned on and the logs were
                successfully secured;<br>
              </li>
              <li>the logs appear to be complete (in this case "appear
                to" is fine; the requirement is simply that there are no
                unexplained gaps); and<br>
              </li>
              <li>all logged accesses are authorised (i.e. because they
                were made by the application server, not random external
                IP addresses)</li>
            </ol>
            ?<br>
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        <p>- Roland</p>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/2/22 15:41, Hank Nussbacher
          via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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          <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">In case you missed it:

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/internet-society-data-leaked/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/internet-society-data-leaked/</a>


Regards,

Hank

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Best regards, 
Veni
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