<div dir="ltr"><div>I think you have things precisely backwards here, Veni. ISOC has a budget that "allows paying trustees" only to the extent that the money paid to trustees comes from somewhere else. A dollar we give to a trustee is a dollar we do not spend on the mission. I would invite the folks wanting to spend thousands of dollars on trustees to please indicate which parts of the Action Plan should be cut back.<br></div><div><br></div><div>--Richard<br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 11:36 AM Veni Markovski <<a href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Richard,<br>
Well, it depends on the point of view... <br>
Why not look at it from a different perspective - if ISOC pays $
150K (or 50K), that means that CISCO will have to explain to their
directors why they are paid so little. <br>
Of course, that's a joke, but so is comparing a commercial public
company to an NGO. ISOC doesn't need to worry about selling
routers, and has a budget, which actually allows paying the
Trustees. However, of course, given the current configuration of
the BoT, one should not expect that this will happen ever - be
that in form of tens of thousands or even just $ 300 / year.
People should not be surprised, if the BoT comes with a counter
proposal - if someone wants to serve on the BoT, they should be
able to raise funds for ISOC.<br>
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v/<br>
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<div>On 1/6/22 11:31, Richard Barnes via
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<div>Just for comparison here: Cisco directors are paid on the
order of $300k/yr, and being on the board of a public company
entails far more work and risk than serving on the ISOC board
(far more than 2x by any reasonable metric). Cisco made $49bn
in revenue in 2020, about 1000x ISOC, so if ISOC were to pay
trustees more than $300/yr, we would have some explaining to
do as to why we were paying our trustees proportionally more
than a for-profit company.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 11:21
AM John More via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
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<br>
The amount I suggested was not a reflection on your
suggestion, or cynical. I came up with a number that was not
at a Wall Street level, biut a reflection of the
responsabilities of ISOC and therefore of those who are its
Trustees.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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> On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:44 AM, Hank Nussbacher <<a href="mailto:hank@post.isoc.org.il" target="_blank">hank@post.isoc.org.il</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> On 06/01/2022 03:36, John More wrote:<br>
>> Hank<br>
>> <br>
>> I fully agree that ISOC should compensate Trustees.
There is no reason not to and every reason to do so to enable
a broader group of people to run as Trustees. At a minimum, I
would suggest $150,000 a year.<br>
> <br>
> I am not sure if you made that last sentence in cynicism
since that was totally not my intention to compensate Trustees
at $150K/yr. I was thinking more on the order of $50K/yr for
the 50hr/month = $83/hr.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Hank<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> <br>
>> John More<br>
>> <br>
>>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Hank Nussbacher via
Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On 04/01/2022 04:58, George Sadowsky via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Hi George,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I assume many of you also follow the ICANN
at-large list and their "multistakeholderism" discussions this
past week.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> In order to be a proper candidate, one that is
involved and not just a figurehead, you have to assume at
least 50 hr/month of work at being a Trustee. Other than
travel there is no reimbursement for time spent working as a
Trustee. So who can volunteer and who cannot:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> - who can volunteer:<br>
>>> - a retired person with a pension (George
Sadowsky)<br>
>>> - a person whose company/organization is
willing to fund his/her time as a trustee (Richard
Barnes/Cisco, Paul Ebersman/Neustar, Brian Haberman/JHU, Ted
Hardie/Cisco, Robert Pepper/FB, Jon Peterson/Neustar, Laura
Thomson/Fastly)<br>
>>> - A person whose organization may not be
completely aware of the immense time spent on ISOC Trustee
needs, yet their goals are consistent with the goals of ISOC
and allow their staff some leeway into such participation
(Ndeye Maimouna Diop/Sonotel, Luis Martinez/Professor in
Mexico, Muhammad Shabbir)<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Every company has a Board of Directors who are
paid for being a Board member (not a lot but not nothing). As
long as ISOC has a policy not to compensate Trustees, we will
end up whereby ISOC is indirectly controlled by large
technological companies.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> In order to attract those 35-55 year olds who
work 50+ hrs/week and who don't have an employer to back them,
ISOC needs to change its policy and begin to compensate
trustees.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Hank<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> This is a final reminder that the call for
nominations for the Internet Society Board of Trustees 2022
elections closes at 15:00 UTC on Friday, 7 January.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> If you or someone you know is interested in
serving on the board, please see the official call for
nominations, additional information and links to the online
nomination forms at:<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/trustees" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.org/trustees</a><br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Best regards,<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> George Sadowsky<br>
>>>> 2021-2022 Nominations Committee Chair<br>
>>>> Internet Society<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
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