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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi, <br>
Thanks for response. Some comments below. </font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/21 23:01, Andrew Sullivan
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com"><br>
I guess I think that "running community programs" is part of
"building local communities". Perhaps you don't, in which case
perhaps we can set this aside as a terminological quibble.
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Yep! <br>
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cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">
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I just thought that was what a society of like-minded people did
with their knowledge, but I'm glad we both agree it's great!
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I see more agreement than disagreement between us personally; there
are some disagreement between ISOC and ISOC - Bulgaria views on
priorities and issues to address. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">...we
have identified this new vector where we think the Internet way of
building networks [IW(b)N - abbr. added by Veni] needs to be
defended, and we intend to take the argument there, too. That's
why it's a highlight of the plan: it's new.
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</blockquote>
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Got it. We believe that the IW(b)N needs to be defended at the
intergovernmental level, where we see more threats than what we see
in the US legal system. However, we are a chapter in Bulgaria, and
it's normal that we may not know what might be coming in the US. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">
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<blockquote type="cite">I wasn’t implying anything, just sharing a
fact, which some chapters have
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noticed, but others might have not.
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Well, then, I will re-iterate my observation that I believe the
_whole_ Internet Society engagement in Europe is positive,</blockquote>
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We very much hope that is is going to be positive. I just want to
make sure people don't think it has been a negative one. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">
and I believe that is in part down to hard work by staff in
Europe. <br>
</blockquote>
We have nothing but high praise for the European staff; we have
worked with them on many issues, and we have high respect for what
they are able to do. I use the opportunity to share both my
personal, but also ISOC-Bulgaria Board observation about the ISOC
staff in general, that they are dedicated and good people. We were
also sorry to see some of them leaving ISOC this year - it's a loss
for ISOC, and a loss for the chapters. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">
We can always do better, of course, and if the Internet Society
Bulgaria Chapter does not believe that our engagement in Europe is
working we certainly want to know what the issues are. <br>
</blockquote>
That is a different issue, which does not deal with the staff, but
the organization; we have spent quite some time talking between
chapters and ISOC, and I believe there's not much (new) I could add
here. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">
I believe that we continue to have staff whose job it is to
support chapters, and I trust that you have raised any concerns
you might have about how we are not meeting your desires with the
relevant staff. <br>
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I believe my praise for the staff above answers this question. <br>
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cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">It is based on the facts from the ITU -
eg, the WTPF will take place next
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week. The IGF just finished yesterday.
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</blockquote>
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Yes, and we are engaged with the WTPF -- indeed, I am on the
agenda on Thursday. Those particular examples seem strange
complaints about a 2022 plan, though, since they're happening this
year. <br>
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Yes, of course, but the WTPF is happening in the future, and you
were arguing about not being able to say if there will be
conferences next year - WTSA, WTDC and the Plenipotentiary; I was
pointing to the fact that these conferences are going to take place
one way (face-to-face) or another (hybrid or virtual). Same goes for
the different ITU Council Working Groups, where ISOC could be
actively engaged, and could ask chapters to engage, too (and support
them to do so). <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">
In any case, we continue our engagements as ever.
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Not sure what "as ever" means here, given your skepticism about the
possibility of having these conferences in the first place...<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">If
you cannot see our intent in this plan, then I will take that on
board as feedback for our future communication efforts.</blockquote>
<br>
Please, do so. One thing we have noticed is that the communication
comes in ways, which often raise questions, which then are
(sometimes?) faced with criticism from you. If the communication is
done in a different way, perhaps that would save some of the
questions, and also the criticism. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20211212040132.766en637mprjc7ok@outlook.office365.com">But
I think our intent in this plan is plain, and I think it is one
where we have made quite explicit and testable commitments to the
community and indeed the world. I mean for you all to hold us to
it, so I feel a certain amount of chagrin that you do not see the
commitments you believe we should be making in it.</blockquote>
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Same feelings on our side, as we don't see the priorities in the
Action Plan addressing the potential threats to the Internet we see
in Europe and at the intergovernmental level (ITU, UN, to name a
few), but with the (probably not urgently needed?) stress on this
new program in the US court system, to take one example. <br>
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Best regards,
Veni
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.isoc.bg">https://www.isoc.bg</a>
pgp:5BA1366E <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>
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