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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding the exchange of messages below, I think that it is perfectly appropriate, and not impolite or rude, for a chapter delegate to post to this list something of interest that was posted on another list that is accessible to anybody who wishes to subscribe to it. Which is what Veni did.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And I think that your message below, which might be understood to imply that what Veni did was impolite, is not appropriate, because it could have a chilling effect and discourage others from posting their thoughts to this list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Furthermore, you had previously posted this, in response to Veni’s posting my comments on your message to the Internet Policy list: “I deliberately didn't send my message to this list, and Veni didn't ask me before forwarding it, so you will get the last word on this.” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>That might leave the impression that you had commented, on the Internet Policy list, on my comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However, unless I am mistaken, that I is not the case: you did not comment on my comments, which is fine, I was not necessarily expecting a reply. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 14:38:36 PST 2021, Andrew Sullivan wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 05:17:23PM -0500, Veni Markovski wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>That means we are both right. Weird contradictory points, but the legal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>notice should have priority, so perhaps the legal folks should update the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>page.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>The legal message is there to protect us, and everyone on the lists, from legal action >related to violating this very item in the code of conduct.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>The code of conduct is intended to establish what is _polite_ to do, not what is _legal_ to >do. I don't believe there is a contradiction here at all: in most places, it turns out, being >rude is not against the law.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>A<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 1 December 2021 23:17<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Sullivan; chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Fwd: [Internet Policy] Fwd: Calling for ISOC to not associate with the nomination process for IGF Leadership Panel<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That means we are both right. Weird contradictory points, but the legal notice should have priority, so perhaps the legal folks should update the page. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That’s a good positive outcome of this short exchange of emails. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 16:30 Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<br><br>On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 03:01:49PM -0500, Veni Markovski wrote:<br><br>>My reading of it is that the Legal Notice at that URL gives any member <br>>of the Internet Policy list to forward messages from that list not <br>>only to the chapter-delegates list, but to any other, even outside of <br>>ISOC:<br><br>The third bullet at that URL says<br><br> Don’t share the posts of others without permission.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>A<br><br>-- <br>Andrew Sullivan<br>President & CEO, Internet Society<br><a href="mailto:sullivan@isoc.org" target="_blank">sullivan@isoc.org</a><br>+1 416 731 1261<br>_______________________________________________<br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):<br><a href="https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login" target="_blank">https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login</a><br>View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Best regards,<br>Veni Markovski<br><a href="http://www.veni.com/" target="_blank">http://www.veni.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>pgp: 5BA1366E <a href="mailto:veni@veni.com" target="_blank">veni@veni.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>The opinions expressed above are those of the author, <br>not of any organizations, associated with or related to <br>the author in any given way. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>