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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">To add to this thread -
has anyone at ISOC bothered to ask our chapters why they are not
willing to participate in this discussion? Or, to put it slightly
different - perhaps ISOC should actually hire some independent
organization to find out why chapters are not active. I believe it
might be due to cross-cultural differences, but maybe they don't
care. Or maybe, as someone pointed out, they are afraid that if
they speak out, there could be some repercussions? Would be good
to know. <br>
Would be even better to know what would ISOC do to change that, if
anything. Maybe ISOC is happy that the majority of the chapters
are relatively quiet? It would be good to know if the
chapter-elected Trustees have raised, or continue to raise this
question at the Board level, and it would be good to know if the
Board has addressed it, and has decided there's no need to do
anything, that ISOC is a diverse enough organization, and the BoT
has enough diversity. And, of course, would be good to know if
this was a unanimous decision. This information will help us reach
a conclusion that a) there's nothing we can do, or b) there's a
lot that could be done. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/6/21 05:14, Veni Markovski wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi, John. </div>
<div dir="auto">Chapters are now the ones, which simultaneously
have to provide the diversity, but they have to provide all of
the diversity? Chapters elect four Trustees. Last time I
checked, 3 of these 4 are from Latin America, Africa and Asia.
One is from the USA. </div>
<div dir="auto">Instead of playing with hypothetical situations,
why don’t you tell us how many of the other Trustees are from
Africa, Asia or Latin America? Or, if you’d like, even how
many Trustees in the past from these regions have been
proposed by the Org members and by the IETF? That would be
some useful information. </div>
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<div dir="auto">So, even if the chapters would provide not
“just” 75% of their elected Trustees to be not from USA and
Western Europe, but 100%, that still will be only 1/3 of all
Trustees. So, it’s up to the IETF and the organization
members, to, perhaps do their part. If they want, of course,
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at
22:49 John Levine <<a
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appears that Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates <<a
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said:<br>
>We — well, I — don’t complain from the IETF. As you
said - it’s their <br>
>issue, which from what we see they are either not
willing, or not able to<br>
>solve. Or maybe they don’t see it as a problem, as the
chapters do. If the<br>
>latter, that’s another problem, which perhaps ISOC
could address in talking<br>
>to the IETF.<br>
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Why do you imagine that ISOC does not talk to the IETF? I
presume you<br>
are aware that the IAB appoints 1/3 of the board, and the
current ISOC <br>
board chair is an active IETF participant and a former
chair of the IAB.<br>
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But for the diversity advocates in the chapters, here is a
question:<br>
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Let's say there are two open Chapter seats on the board,
and the nominating<br>
committee offers candidates from south Asia, west Africa,
and Latin America.<br>
Then there is a petition to nominate an old guy from the
U.S. Should the<br>
petition candidate be allowed to run, even though he would
increase the<br>
number of of old guys from the U.S.?<br>
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Let's assume the petition candidate does run and gets more
votes than<br>
anyone else. Should he be seated on the board, even though
he would<br>
increase the number of old guys from the U.S.?<br>
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If the answer to those is yes, how do you plan to increase
the board's<br>
diversity? If the answer is no, how do you plan to
explain to the<br>
chapters that they can't vote for their preferred
candidate?<br>
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R's,<br>
John<br>
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