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<p>Hi Andrew</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:
minor-latin">In order that we have
a more solid basis for our discussion on the grants chapters are
receiving, and taking final</span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"> figures from 2020, could you
please tell us in a very concrete way:</span></p>
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<li><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""></span></span></span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin">How
much money went
to “small grants” of the BtN program in total in 2020? How
many projects have been approved? How
many chapters benefited from “small grants”? </span></li>
<li><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""></span></span></span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin">How
much money went
to “large grants” of the BtN program in total in 2020? How
many projects have been approved? How
many chapters benefited from “large grants”?</span></li>
<li><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""></span></span></span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin">Which
was the
total budget of the BtN program in 2020?</span></li>
<li><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""></span></span></span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin">How
much money
went to chapters through other programs of the ISOC Foundation
in 2020?</span></li>
<li><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""></span></span></span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin">Which
was the
total budget awarded by the various programs of the ISOC
Foundation in 2020, including BtN?</span></li>
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<p>I must say that ISOC Brazil is very happy to receive small and
large grants from the ISOC Foundation. They have been instrumental
for many of our activities and have helped us leverage additional
funding from other sources. I must also say that we have a very
good relationship to the ISOC Foundation staff, which is always
available and very helpful. And I agree that things are becoming
much easier, for submitting both applications and final reports. <br>
</p>
<p>So, from my perspective, this discussion is not about the quality
of the work done. It is about strategic decisions on the
distribution of the overall budget and about the relative weight
of the chapters.<br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Flávio<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20210930215433.nycxlytugc4q5apw@outlook.office365.com">Hi,
<br>
<br>
I have the impression that the information I posted was not
helpful to you, and I regret that I have not been as helpful as
you would wish.
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:22:55PM +0200, Alexander Blom wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">With 90% of the money going to other
external parties
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
That is, as I tried to point out in this message, not an accurate
portrayal of the situation. There is nothing whatever preventing
chapters from applying (or _also_ applying) for grants outside the
BtN program. But BtN is reserved _only_ to this community. Some
chapters have applied to the other progams and been successful,
and there is no reason why that can't be true for other chapters
as well. (Some chapters, of course, are not eligible for these
grants because those chapters are not the equivalent of US
501(c)(3)s. That is a structural problem related to US not for
profit law. The Internet Society can't currently act as an
intermediary on the larger grant programs.)
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">grant-making activities." On the contrary,
I think that Nazar is right: why
<br>
does the foundation and in fact all of ISOC does not concentrate
on its
<br>
core constituency, the chapters, and its core cause, the
internet? </blockquote>
<br>
It is certainly the case that there are people doing work on
Internet issues who are not and who do not wish to be or cannot be
chapter members, so I don't think it would serve the Internet to
insist that a chapter be involved in everything. For instance,
there are countries where anything resembling a chapter would be
illegal, but we can work with individuals there.
<br>
<br>
I admit that I don't understand the concern that we're not
concentrating on the core cause of the Internet. The board that
hired me and every board since has been crystal clear that they do
not want us to be the everything society, and it has been a
consistent hallmark of my time here that topics that are vaguely
related to technology but are not really Internet topics are not
things that we pursue. Yes, the Foundation will fund things that
have to do with the application of the Internet to particular
problems, but unless the Internet is at the core of each
application the application won't get far.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">If
<br>
Afrinic is truly going through a rough time, why is ISOC not
jumping in?
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Given that there are active law suits going on, if the Internet
Society were helping do you think it would be wise for us to post
about it on a list that could be shared very widely? This is a
hypothetical question, of course.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">And why is only 30% of project
applications successful? </blockquote>
<br>
Well, that is the rate so far this year, but as I said we are
working to improve the problematic applications so that this rate
can get better. I don't think I was suggesting that this is a
good result, and I believe it will improve as we continue to work
with applicants.
<br>
<br>
Best regards,
<br>
<br>
A
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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Prof. Flávio Rech Wagner
Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:flavio@inf.ufrgs.br">flavio@inf.ufrgs.br</a>
Instituto de Informática Fone: +55-51-3308 9494
Porto Alegre, Brasil <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~flavio">http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~flavio</a>
Presidente da Internet Society Brasil
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:flavio@inf.ufrgs.br">flavio@inf.ufrgs.br</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@isoc.org.br">info@isoc.org.br</a> Fone: +55-51-3308 9494
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.isoc.org.br">https://www.isoc.org.br</a> Twitter: @ISOCBrasil
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