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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Andrew, <br>
One piece that needs to be put in perspective - you are using the
word "lobbying", and need to say that it has different meaning in
different countries, and while some countries have laws,
regulating lobbying governmental officials, Congress, etc., (e.g.
the USA), other don't (e.g. Bulgaria). So, conclusions, based on
the US experience, won't necessarily be valid in Bulgaria and vice
versa. <br>
Likewise, we can't talk about "the chapters"; some chapters are
active, and others are not. Some talk to politicians, other don't.
Some are small, others - big. Some have stuff, others don't. Some
chapters "guard their independent status pretty jealously", and
others don't care what the status is, as long as the job is done,
the Internet in their country is not under threat or control, etc.</font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(32,18,77)">I think the main point here is funding for Chapters to enable high-level Public Policy Engagement with lawmakers and technocrats. For example, currently, in my country(Tanzania) the gov is working on Privacy and Personal Data Protection Law. It is supposed to be a multistakeholder engagement process, but the technocrats do their thing until the very end where they call so-called " stakeholders" in the half-day meeting to collect their input - which is often never included in the final version of the law anyway. I have seen this time and again. But had there been a Public Policy Engagement Fund for Chapters this is where ISOC in the form of ISOC-Tz Chapter would come in. It would organize high-level multistakeholder engagement meetings to influence the legislative process and outcome of the proposed law. However, to put together these kinds of meetings(for the big shots!) and assemble an agile Experts Task Group needs money to smell the incoming legislative process for a law that may affect the running of the Internet, influence it in a good way and follow it through to the end product(the law). Without this kind of engagement, all else will just be the barking-without-biting or shouting on the sidelines that accomplishes nothing. Is this what you call " lobbying" in the Western hemisphere? If so, to us in Tanzania it is not. I think we can use "Public Policy Engagement" instead of "lobbying", and create a Public Policy Engagement Fund for the Chapters. The chapters would use the funds to engage and by engaging lawmakers, government technocrats, private sector, the academia/research, civil societies, technical communities, and minority group they would thus influence lawmaking without the word "lobbying" in play! I hope this is helpful. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">
<br>
<br>
And another observation - at least for me this conversation sounds
as if we already have had it. Maybe 5, maybe 10 or 15 years ago -
I don't remember. But I do remember discussing the %subject of
George and Muhammad's email several times, including when I was on
the Board of Trustees, and I volunteered to come with some written
ideas to the staff. It was, if I am not mistaken, during the
Minneapolis BoT meeting; and the other volunteers were Alan, Don
and George. Maybe I am missing someone. In any case, none of our
suggestions were used by the organization, which is a pity, as it
would have solved a lot of the issues ISOC had to confront in the
years after that. So, if people don't respond to the current
thread, it might be that they don't want to spend the time over
and over again?<br>
<br>
v/ <br>
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<div>On 9/21/21 18:37, Andrew Sullivan via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi,
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 09:27:05PM +0000, Franca Palazzo wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Whatever the decision as to goals, there
should be a bucket for Chapters' to use for issues that are
specific to their jurisdictions. These can't be anticipated a
year in advance. In many cases, we are reacting to whatever
crazy legislation proposals the current gov't tables. In order
to influence policy we need funds to hold events that promote
the consultations and submissions done by our policy committee.
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I understand and sympathise with this suggestion, but it would
actually be quite dangerous for the Internet Society and possibly
for certain chapters, for two reasons:
<br>
<br>
1. Actively funding what might qualify as lobbying campaigns
under US law would endanger the Internet Society's charitable
status. US charities are tightly constrained as to what lobbying
activities they can engage in, and we can't just have a pool of
money that is generally open for funding such issues. (This is in
no way to minimise the importance of chapters reacting to
legislation -- in the recent Canadian case, indeed "crazy", in my
opinion.) The penalties for messing this up are pretty serious,
up to and including revocation of public charity status, and we
just cannot possibly allow that to happen. (For instance, if we
were to lose our public charity status, all of our supporting
organizations, including PIR, would automatically be affected.
PIR's legal status has implications for its contract with ICANN,
so this is not a small matter. In addition, if we lost our
charity status that would immediately affect the IETF, which would
also be bad.)
<br>
<br>
2. Chapters are legally separate organizations, and if they are
automatically eligible for funding for their political (not
necessarily "lobbying", note) activities this could affect either
the legal reality or the perception of that independence. From
the Internet Society point of view, of course, this might not be
so bad, but I have always had the impression that chapters guard
their independent status pretty jealously; so we would not wish to
do anything to impugn that.
<br>
<br>
With my CEO hat on, I will say that the first of these is more
important to me as a corporate officer; but it's certainly not
something that is trivial to work around. Some other
organizations set up other kinds of affiliated entities that are
designed to do lobbying (but that have very different rules
related to how they are funded). It might be useful for chapter
leaders to express to the board how they might feel about such an
arrangement.
<br>
<br>
Best regards,
<br>
<br>
A
<br>
<br>
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Best regards,
Veni
<a href="https://www.veni.com" target="_blank">https://www.veni.com</a>
pgp:5BA1366E <a href="mailto:veni@veni.com" target="_blank">veni@veni.com</a>
The opinions expressed above are those of the
author, not of any organizations, associated
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