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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/07/2021 15:25, Dave Burstein via
Chapter-delegates wrote:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dave,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I suggest reading
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1677/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1677/</a> to get the best
understanding of the thinking of the IETF on this matter.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Regards,</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hank<br>
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ms,sans-serif">Ted</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Thanks for engaging. I was way over my head
talking about this in FG2030, but no one else spoke up. (I
know telco networks, not Internet protocols.) I was very
flattered when Vint and Andrew jumped in and I discovered my
contentions were on target.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">You're right that the original FG2030 proposal
was ugly in not dealing with backward capability, i.e.
replacing IP. <i>But that's been discarded since, which is why
I'm trying to make sure that the Internet Society is working
with the current versions of the proposal. </i></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">The <b><i>current</i></b> version at the ITU
does not differ from the IETF in the way you cite. There are
plenty of differences, but if the IETF draft is implemented
the way the telcos intend, it would shift control to the
telcos. It's about extending the QoS in 5G across networks, so
the telcos can sell guaranteed QoS from headquarters in
Brussels to a branch in Naples. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Among those who supported the
consensus at FG2030 were BT, KDDI, NTT, China Telecom, China
Mobile, Ericsson, Nokia, and a dozen senior academics. <a
href="https://bit.ly/3kNKNDc" moz-do-not-send="true">https://bit.ly/3kNKNDc</a>
The respected Mehmet Toy of Verizon was among the leaders; I
like to call this the Verizon Proposal, to avoid looking
like just another American China-basher. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Whether the IP protocol is included
is a side issue that the companies pressing ahead on this
have discarded as less important. What they care about is
not protocols control, so they can guarantee QoS and charge
for it.<br>
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face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Hank pointed t</font>o
Marco Hogewoning's RIPE article, which is on target about
the primary issue.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Rosario,serif;font-size:20px">This
is much more of a fundamental shift than it first appears
to be, as it would give control to the core of the network
instead of leaving it to the end points. </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/author/marco_hogewoning/do-we-need-a-new-ip/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/author/marco_hogewoning/do-we-need-a-new-ip/</a></span><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">It's the old Bellhead vs nethead debate, now
international.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Incidentally, the ETSI "Non-IP" proposal is
moving ahead in standardization, and does throw away IP to
enable cross network QoS. ETSI, which houses 3GPP and is not
just European, is potentially a power player here and like
IETF belongs in the middle of the discussion.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">There's a lot more in the IETF draft that is
aimed at allowing the current "end to end" to remain. My take,
which includes the above and separate discussions with
Deutsche Telekom & Telefonica, is that the telcos
implementing IETF or ITU will de facto insist their
interconnect partners support centralized control for QoS. To
the extent I understand the engineering, that means the
primary networks, at least in Europe, will not maintain the
openness we seek. Yes, Duck Duck Go exists as an alternative,
but Google is dominant. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">But Ted and others here understand the
technology on a more sophisticated level than I do.</div>
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ms,sans-serif">Dave</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">p.s Note from the real world. Something like
this is going to be implemented by Ericsson, Nokia, Huawei,
and ZTE, the four largest equipment vendors. China is a third
of their market and the Chinese carriers want it. Ericsson's
stock dropped $4B because their China sales were down for
political reasons. The major European & US carriers have
the same business incentives and probably the same
requirements. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">So whatever we talk in standards, we'll get
nowhere unless we find a way to get the carriers to go along.
That might require government pressure or consumer pressure. I
assure you that the management of Deutsche Telekom or Verizon
care more about business than an abstraction like the open
Internet. Discussions of "high order principles" will not
influence them. We have to go beyond preaching to the
converted, who are an ever smaller minority.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">pps The IETF draft is <a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8655/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8655/</a>
If someone could translate it into lay English, that would
help the discussion </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 6:05
AM Ted Hardie <<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ted.ietf@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Dave,</div>
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<div>The goals of the IETF work around Deterministic
Networking are set out in RFC 8557; one key passage is
here:</div>
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<pre> The goals of Deterministic Networking are to (1) enable the migration
of applications with critical timing and reliability issues that
currently use special-purpose fieldbus technologies (High-Definition
Multimedia Interface (HDMI), Controller Area Network (CAN bus),
PROFIBUS [PROFIBUS], etc. ... even RS-232!) to packet technologies in
general and to IP in particular and (2) support both these new
applications and existing packet network applications over the same
physical network. In other words, a deterministic network is
backwards compatible with (capable of transporting) statistically
multiplexed traffic while preserving the properties of the accepted
deterministic flows.</pre>
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<div>If you contrast this with the FG2030 vision (e.g. in
the passages starting on page 24 of <a
href="https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Documents/Network_2030_Architecture-framework.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Documents/Network_2030_Architecture-framework.pdf</a>),
you'll see a very a different approach, especially in
regards to backward compatibility and coexistence. The
FG2030 vision presumes a completely new Internet
architecture as a foundational aspect of the effort.
DetNet and the work in the IETF are evolving the network
we already have instead.</div>
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<div>As a result, I do not think deterministic networking in
IETF terms is the same as the ITU-T effort that Elizabeth
will touch on in the presentation. They share a focus on
precision, but the contrasts are much stronger than that
commonality, at least in my personal view.</div>
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<div>best regards,</div>
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<div>Ted Hardie<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at
11:17 PM Dave Burstein via Chapter-delegates <<a
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">If we want to discuss the
issue, let's use the less loaded term "deterministic
networking," which is what the IETF calls this
stuff. As Elizabeth notes, China Mobile and friends
backed off the "New IP" idea a year ago.</div>
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<div style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">What this is about is the
telcos - including the big Europeans - wanting to
control everything in order to charge more. They
promise wonders of improved performance if they are
put in charge, which I think is highly unlikely.
(Vint has also spoken out.)</div>
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<div style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">ISOC needs to keep to the real
issues and not get caught up in the cold war. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 21, 2021
at 3:30 PM Elizabeth Oluoch <<a
href="mailto:oluoch@isoc.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">oluoch@isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Hello
Dave,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks
for your email. The session next week will
touch on some of the questions you raise
particularly around the evolution and status
of the New IP proposal. Our aim is to
outline the claims in the New IP proposal
and offer some of our perspectives on the
implications of the proposal’s outcomes to
the Internet. We hope that you are able to
join.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">The New
IP related questions in Study Group 13
(Future Networks) and Study Group
11(signalling, protocols) were not approved
as new work items for the next study period
at the December 2020 plenaries of these
study groups. Essentially there would be no
discussion on these questions during this
study period which was extended to March
2022. WTSA-20 will be held March 1-9, 2022.
It doesn’t rule out the possibility of
discussion at WTSA-20. </span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">The “New
IP” was a set of proposals submitted to
ITU-T Focus Group on Technologies for 2030 (<a
href="https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Pages/default.aspx"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:black">Focus Group 2030</span></a>)
and TSAG. The proposals can be accessed on
the ITU-T Liaison Statement on the IETF
Datatracker here:
<a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1653/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:black">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1653/</span></a>.
The documents below are in the attachment
section of the Liaison Statement.</span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li style="color:black;margin-left:0in">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Document:</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> “<i>New
IP, Shaping Future Network”: Propose to
initiate the discussion of strategy
transformation for ITU-T”</i></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">
(TSAG-C83)</span></li>
<li style="color:black;margin-left:0in">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Tutorial
Presentation: “</span><i><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">New
IP, Shaping Future Network”
</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">(TSAG-TD598).</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
</ul>
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style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-GB">While the “New IP” term was
modified to “</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Future
Vertical Communication Networks," in ITU-T,
the New IP initiative continues to be used
outside of the ITU. Further, there have been
several proposals submitted (some withdrawn)
to ITU-T SGs in the early part of this year
that reflected some of the main
features/capabilities and, or keywords that
were in the New IP proposal. </span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Please
let us know if you have further question.
Feel free to send them in advance as well.
</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
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</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Dave
Burstein <<a
href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">daveb@dslprime.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at
5:20 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Audio Conferencing
Conferencing Info <<a
href="mailto:oluoch@isoc.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">oluoch@isoc.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>"
<<a
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates]
Internet Society information session on
"New IP" | July 28, 07:00 UTC & 13:00
UTC</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif">Elizabeth</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif">I haven't looked at
this for a while. Last I heard, the US
was blocking consensus in the Study
Group. Has that changed?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif">Also, what are the
actual proposals we are looking at? In
particular, can you forward the draft
that we're discussing or at least the
ITU document number for me to download?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",sans-serif">(There were major
changes since Olaf last wrote about
this. Among other things, I don't think
it's called New IP any longer. ETSI
tells me the Chinese decided to drop the
changes to IP but I haven't confirmed
that.)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at
12:43 PM Elizabeth Oluoch via
Chapter-delegates <<a
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Chapter Leaders,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(27,27,27)">Two
years ago,
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">the
ITU Telecommunication
Standardization Sector (ITU-T)
received a proposal to begin work
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(12,28,44)">to
design a “new information and
communications network with new
protocol system” to meet the needs
of a future network - the “</span><i><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">New
IP<span style="background:none 0%
0% repeat scroll white">,
Shaping Future </span>Network”</span></i><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">proposal<b>.
</b></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(12,28,44)">The
Internet Society is closely
following developments on “New IP.”
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(12,28,44)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Please
join us for a virtual session on “<b>New
IP” on Wednesday, July 28, either
07:00 UTC or 13:00 UTC</b>. The
agenda will include an overview of
the </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">of
the "New IP" proposal, the main
issues in the proposal and
implications for the Internet.
<b><u>Please note the sessions will
not be recorded</u></b>. </span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif">Dr. Hosein
Badran, Director Internet Growth
and Trust</span></li>
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style="color:black"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif">Olaf,
Kolkman, Principal, Technology,
Policy and Advocacy</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif">Andrei
Robachevsky, Senior Director,
Technology Programmes</span></li>
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target="_blank"
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Light",sans-serif;color:black">You
can send questions to the speakers
in advance to Elizabeth Oluoch at
<a href="mailto:oluoch@isoc.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">oluoch@isoc.org</a>.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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you and best regards,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Elizabeth</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Elizabeth
Oluoch – Do Canto</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Director,
International Institutions and
Relations</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Internet
Society</span></p>
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):
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View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a>
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