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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/07/2021 15:25, Dave Burstein via
      Chapter-delegates wrote:</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dave,</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I suggest reading
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1677/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1677/</a> to get the best
      understanding of the thinking of the IETF on this matter.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Regards,</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hank<br>
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          ms,sans-serif">Thanks for engaging. I was way over my head
          talking about this in FG2030, but no one else spoke up. (I
          know telco networks, not Internet protocols.) I was very
          flattered when Vint and Andrew jumped in and I discovered my
          contentions were on target.</div>
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          ms,sans-serif">You're right that the original FG2030 proposal
          was ugly in not dealing with backward capability, i.e.
          replacing IP. <i>But that's been discarded since, which is why
            I'm trying to make sure that the Internet Society is working
            with the current versions of the proposal. </i></div>
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          ms,sans-serif">The <b><i>current</i></b> version at the ITU
          does not differ from the IETF in the way you cite. There are
          plenty of differences, but if the IETF draft is implemented
          the way the telcos intend, it would shift control to the
          telcos. It's about extending the QoS in 5G across networks, so
          the telcos can sell guaranteed QoS from headquarters in
          Brussels to a branch in Naples. <br>
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          <div class="gmail_default">Among those who supported the
            consensus at FG2030 were BT, KDDI, NTT, China Telecom, China
            Mobile, Ericsson, Nokia, and a dozen senior academics. <a
              href="https://bit.ly/3kNKNDc" moz-do-not-send="true">https://bit.ly/3kNKNDc</a>
            The respected Mehmet Toy of Verizon was among the leaders; I
            like to call this the Verizon Proposal, to avoid looking
            like just another American China-basher. <br>
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          <div class="gmail_default">Whether the IP protocol is included
            is a side issue that the companies pressing ahead on this
            have discarded as less important. What they care about is
            not protocols control, so they can guarantee QoS and charge
            for it.<br>
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            Marco Hogewoning's RIPE article, which is on target about
            the primary issue.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><span
              style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Rosario,serif;font-size:20px">This
              is much more of a fundamental shift than it first appears
              to be, as it would give control to the core of the network
              instead of leaving it to the end points. </span><span
              style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/author/marco_hogewoning/do-we-need-a-new-ip/"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/author/marco_hogewoning/do-we-need-a-new-ip/</a></span><br>
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          ms,sans-serif">It's the old Bellhead vs nethead debate, now
          international.</div>
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          ms,sans-serif">Incidentally, the ETSI "Non-IP" proposal is
          moving ahead in standardization, and does throw away IP to
          enable cross network QoS. ETSI, which houses 3GPP and is not
          just European, is potentially a power player here and like
          IETF belongs in the middle of the discussion.</div>
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          ms,sans-serif">There's a lot more in the IETF draft that is
          aimed at allowing the current "end to end" to remain. My take,
          which includes the above and separate discussions with
          Deutsche Telekom & Telefonica, is that the telcos
          implementing IETF or ITU will de facto insist their
          interconnect partners support centralized control for QoS. To
          the extent I understand the engineering, that means the
          primary networks, at least in Europe, will not maintain the
          openness we seek. Yes, Duck Duck Go exists as an alternative,
          but Google is dominant. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
          ms,sans-serif">But Ted and others here understand the
          technology on a more sophisticated level than I do.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
          ms,sans-serif">Dave</div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
          ms,sans-serif">p.s Note from the real world. Something like
          this is going to be implemented by Ericsson, Nokia, Huawei,
          and ZTE, the four largest equipment vendors. China is a third
          of their market and the Chinese carriers want it. Ericsson's
          stock dropped $4B because their China sales were down for
          political reasons. The major European & US carriers have
          the same business incentives and probably the same
          requirements. </div>
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          ms,sans-serif">So whatever we talk in standards, we'll get
          nowhere unless we find a way to get the carriers to go along.
          That might require government pressure or consumer pressure. I
          assure you that the management of Deutsche Telekom or Verizon
          care more about business than an abstraction like the open
          Internet. Discussions of "high order principles" will not
          influence them. We have to go beyond preaching to the
          converted, who are an ever smaller minority.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
          ms,sans-serif">pps The IETF draft is <a
            href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8655/"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8655/</a>
          If someone could translate it into lay English, that would
          help the discussion </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 6:05
          AM Ted Hardie <<a href="mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ted.ietf@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Hi Dave,</div>
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              <div>The goals of the IETF work around Deterministic
                Networking are set out in RFC 8557; one key passage is
                here:</div>
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                <pre>  The goals of Deterministic Networking are to (1) enable the migration
   of applications with critical timing and reliability issues that
   currently use special-purpose fieldbus technologies (High-Definition
   Multimedia Interface (HDMI), Controller Area Network (CAN bus),
   PROFIBUS [PROFIBUS], etc. ... even RS-232!) to packet technologies in
   general and to IP in particular and (2) support both these new
   applications and existing packet network applications over the same
   physical network.  In other words, a deterministic network is
   backwards compatible with (capable of transporting) statistically
   multiplexed traffic while preserving the properties of the accepted
   deterministic flows.</pre>
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            <div>If you contrast this with the FG2030 vision (e.g. in
              the passages starting on page 24 of <a
href="https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Documents/Network_2030_Architecture-framework.pdf"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Documents/Network_2030_Architecture-framework.pdf</a>),
              you'll see a very a different approach, especially in
              regards to backward compatibility and coexistence.   The
              FG2030 vision presumes a completely new Internet
              architecture as a foundational aspect of the effort. 
              DetNet and the work in the IETF are evolving the network
              we already have instead.</div>
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            <div>As a result, I do not think deterministic networking in
              IETF terms is the same as the ITU-T effort that Elizabeth
              will touch on in the presentation.  They share a focus on
              precision, but the contrasts are much stronger than that
              commonality, at least in my personal view.</div>
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            <div>best regards,</div>
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            <div>Ted Hardie<br>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at
                11:17 PM Dave Burstein via Chapter-delegates <<a
                  href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                    ms",sans-serif">If we want to discuss the
                    issue, let's use the less loaded term "deterministic
                    networking," which is what the IETF calls this
                    stuff. As Elizabeth notes, China Mobile and friends
                    backed off the "New IP" idea a year ago.</div>
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                    ms",sans-serif">What this is about is the
                    telcos - including the big Europeans - wanting to
                    control everything in order to charge more. They
                    promise wonders of improved performance if they are
                    put in charge, which I think is highly unlikely.
                    (Vint has also spoken out.)</div>
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                    ms",sans-serif">ISOC needs to keep to the real
                    issues and not get caught up in the cold war. </div>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 21, 2021
                    at 3:30 PM Elizabeth Oluoch <<a
                      href="mailto:oluoch@isoc.org" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">oluoch@isoc.org</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
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                            Dave,</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks
                            for your email. The session next week will
                            touch on some of the questions you raise
                            particularly around the evolution and status
                            of the New IP proposal. Our aim is to
                            outline the claims in the New IP proposal
                            and offer some of our perspectives on the
                            implications of the proposal’s outcomes to
                            the Internet. We hope that you are able to
                            join.</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black">The New
                            IP related questions in Study Group 13
                            (Future Networks) and Study Group
                            11(signalling, protocols) were not approved
                            as new work items for the next study period
                            at the December 2020 plenaries of these
                            study groups. Essentially there would be no
                            discussion on these questions during this
                            study period which was extended to March
                            2022. WTSA-20 will be held March 1-9, 2022.
                            It doesn’t rule out the possibility of
                            discussion at WTSA-20. </span></p>
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                            style="font-family:"Calibri
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black">The “New
                            IP” was a set of proposals submitted to
                            ITU-T Focus Group on Technologies for 2030 (<a
href="https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Pages/default.aspx"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                style="color:black">Focus Group 2030</span></a>)
                            and TSAG. The proposals can be accessed on
                            the ITU-T Liaison Statement on the IETF
                            Datatracker here:
                            <a
                              href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1653/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                style="color:black">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1653/</span></a>. 
                            The documents below are in the attachment
                            section of the Liaison Statement.</span></p>
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                            <span style="font-family:"Calibri
                              Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Document:</span><span
                              style="font-family:"Calibri
                              Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> “<i>New
                                IP, Shaping Future Network”: Propose to
                                initiate the discussion of strategy
                                transformation for ITU-T”</i></span><span
                              style="font-family:"Calibri
                              Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">
                              (TSAG-C83)</span></li>
                          <li style="color:black;margin-left:0in">
                            <span style="font-family:"Calibri
                              Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Tutorial
                              Presentation: “</span><i><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri
                                Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">New
                                IP, Shaping Future Network”
                              </span></i><span
                              style="font-family:"Calibri
                              Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">(TSAG-TD598).</span><span
                              style="font-family:"Calibri
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                        </ul>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
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                            lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black"
                            lang="EN-GB">While the “New IP” term was
                            modified to “</span><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black">Future
                            Vertical Communication Networks," in ITU-T,
                            the New IP initiative continues to be used
                            outside of the ITU. Further, there have been
                            several proposals submitted (some withdrawn)
                            to ITU-T SGs in the early part of this year
                            that reflected some of the main
                            features/capabilities and, or keywords that
                            were in the New IP proposal. </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black">Please
                            let us know if you have further question.
                            Feel free to send them in advance as well.
                          </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
                            Light",sans-serif;color:black">Best,</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri
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                          </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Calibri
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
                              </span></b><span
                              style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Dave
                              Burstein <<a
                                href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">daveb@dslprime.com</a>><br>
                              <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at
                              5:20 AM<br>
                              <b>To: </b>Audio Conferencing
                              Conferencing Info <<a
                                href="mailto:oluoch@isoc.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">oluoch@isoc.org</a>><br>
                              <b>Cc: </b>"<a
                                href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>"
                              <<a
                                href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
                              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Chapter-delegates]
                              Internet Society information session on
                              "New IP" | July 28, 07:00 UTC & 13:00
                              UTC</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
                                MS",sans-serif">Elizabeth</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
                                MS",sans-serif">I haven't looked at
                                this for a while. Last I heard, the US
                                was blocking consensus in the Study
                                Group. Has that changed?</span></p>
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                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
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                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
                                MS",sans-serif">Also, what are the
                                actual proposals we are looking at? In
                                particular, can you forward the draft
                                that we're discussing or at least the
                                ITU document number for me to download?</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
                                MS",sans-serif">(There were major
                                changes since Olaf last wrote about
                                this. Among other things, I don't think
                                it's called New IP any longer. ETSI
                                tells me the Chinese decided to drop the
                                changes to IP but I haven't confirmed
                                that.)</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
                                MS",sans-serif">Thanks</span></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Trebuchet
                                MS",sans-serif">Dave </span></p>
                          </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at
                              12:43 PM Elizabeth Oluoch via
                              Chapter-delegates <<a
                                href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
                              wrote:</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(27,27,27);background:none
                                    0% 0% repeat scroll white">Dear
                                    Chapter Leaders,</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(27,27,27)">Two
                                    years ago,
                                  </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">the
                                    ITU Telecommunication
                                    Standardization Sector (ITU-T)
                                    received a proposal to begin work
                                  </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(12,28,44)">to
                                    design a “new information and
                                    communications network with new
                                    protocol system” to meet the needs
                                    of a future network - the “</span><i><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri
                                      Light",sans-serif;color:black">New
                                      IP<span style="background:none 0%
                                        0% repeat scroll white">,
                                        Shaping Future </span>Network”</span></i><b><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri
                                      Light",sans-serif;color:black">
                                    </span></b><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">proposal<b>.
                                       </b></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(12,28,44)">The
                                    Internet Society is closely
                                    following developments on “New IP.”
                                  </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(12,28,44)"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Please
                                    join us for a virtual session on “<b>New
                                      IP” on Wednesday, July 28, either
                                      07:00 UTC or 13:00 UTC</b>. The
                                    agenda will include an overview of
                                    the </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">of
                                    the "New IP" proposal, the main
                                    issues in the proposal and
                                    implications for the Internet. 
                                    <b><u>Please note the sessions will
                                        not be recorded</u></b>. </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(27,27,27)"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">Speakers:</span></p>
                                <ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
                                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="color:black"><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri
                                      Light",sans-serif">Dr. Hosein
                                      Badran, Director Internet Growth
                                      and Trust</span></li>
                                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="color:black"><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri
                                      Light",sans-serif">Olaf,
                                      Kolkman, Principal, Technology,
                                      Policy and Advocacy</span></li>
                                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="color:black"><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri
                                      Light",sans-serif">Andrei
                                      Robachevsky, Senior Director,
                                      Technology Programmes</span></li>
                                </ul>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="https://internetsociety.wufoo.com/forms/w1ssgl830mkz73y/"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">Please
                                      register.</a>  Zoom details will
                                    be sent to registered participants.
                                  </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">You
                                    can send questions to the speakers
                                    in advance to Elizabeth Oluoch at
                                    <a href="mailto:oluoch@isoc.org"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">oluoch@isoc.org</a>.</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">Thank
                                    you and best regards,</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">Elizabeth</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">Elizabeth
                                    Oluoch – Do Canto</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">Director,
                                    International Institutions and
                                    Relations</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black">Internet
                                    Society</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
                                    Light",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
                              As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you
                              are automatically subscribed<br>
                              to this list, which is regularly
                              synchronized with the Internet Society
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                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login</a><br>
                              View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
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                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a></p>
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                As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
                automatically subscribed<br>
                to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the
                Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):<br>
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                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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                View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a
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                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a><br>
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login">https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login</a>
View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a>
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