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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree with Veni’s comments below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 9 November, 2020 03:37<br><b>To:</b> John Levine<br><b>Cc:</b> chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Message from Internet Society Audit Committee Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I’m not sure I can share decades of chapter experience in a short email from my phone, but let me as much as I can before my fingers start to ache. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We are on a list, called “chapter delegates”. It consists of all chapter “officers” (quote intended, as this is how it’s in the database). No one would argue that the members of the list are among the most active in their chapter. They have shown interest in following ISOC, contributing to its development (it’s another question if and how ISOC is actually using this, not a topic of this thread). While it’s possible that there are other people in the about 100 countries, where there are ISOC chapters and SIG, it is safe to assume that the most active folks are engaged via this list. It would be good to get from ISOC information as to how many of the previous ISOC BoT have been actually chapter “officers”. That might help us. From the current four trustees, afaik, all are or have been chapter or SIG “officers”, but not sure for all the past ones.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Being a chapter officer is not a highly paid job (or is not paid at all). In many countries, people who become chapter leaders, are using their personal time for a greater good. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I believe that some of the misunderstanding in this thread is actually due to cross-cultural differences, which are completely normal, as the US legal system for NGOs is very different from the legal systems of other nations. I’ll give you an example - the tax exempt 501(c)(3) principle doesn’t exist in the same form in Bulgaria.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>One also might not understand why there’s an argument about the CoI policy at all, since ISOC admitted it is not a good policy and have told us it will be changing it. It would be good to know as to why this list was informed about this change, since there’s no process in which the chapter leaders can contribute.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hope this is helpful and hope that we could learn more from each other, as it seems chapters have questions, and there are answers that raise more questions...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Night. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 20:31 John Levine <<a href="mailto:isocmember@johnlevine.com" target="_blank">isocmember@johnlevine.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>In article <<a href="mailto:CAN7p9b4w3%2B4%2B5Qa3aVuiX5_mz76Y6fDBMT7Fg4Zzow5fP%2BA72g@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAN7p9b4w3+4+5Qa3aVuiX5_mz76Y6fDBMT7Fg4Zzow5fP+A72g@mail.gmail.com</a>> you write:<br>>-=-=-=-=-=-<br>><br>>It’s not.<br><br>Oh, OK. In that case what's the problem? Why is it important for a<br>single person to be a chapter leader and a board member at the same<br>time? Why can't one person do one and another chapter member do the other?<br><br>R's,<br>John<br>>On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 14:37 John Levine <<a href="mailto:isocmember@johnlevine.com" target="_blank">isocmember@johnlevine.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> In article <CAN7p9b46J4fHuGzu2ZKr1d3f8+B7gP9NWVq7JU2mzY=+<br>>> <a href="mailto:Ujffdw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">Ujffdw@mail.gmail.com</a>> you write:<br>>> >CoI policy, which gives chapter leaders two choices:<br>>> >— run for the BoT of ISOC and give up the work they do in their own<br>>> >countries<br>>> >— never run foe the BoT, and keep work with their chapters foe the good of<br>>> >the national Internet.<br>>><br>>> I understand you to be saying that there are so few people active in<br>>> chapters that no chapter can find one person to be the chapter leader<br>>> and another to run for the board.<br>>><br>>> If that's not what you're saying, please clarify.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Best regards,<br>Veni Markovski<br><a href="http://www.veni.com/" target="_blank">http://www.veni.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>pgp: 5BA1366E <a href="mailto:veni@veni.com" target="_blank">veni@veni.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>The opinions expressed above are those of the author, <br>not of any organizations, associated with or related to <br>the author in any given way. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>