<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I was on the Board with Veni in 2003, and I remember that ISOC at that time had virtually no money at all. It was only that year or just before that ISOC had set up PIR and that .org had been delegated to it. There was certainly no financial conflict then.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 8, 2020, at 4:31 PM, vinton cerf via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" class="">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">veni,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">at the time you were on the ISOC board and chair of ISOC Bulgaria, it might be that there were no pecuniary considerations provided by ISOC to the Chapters. In that case, perhaps no conflict?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;">v</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;"><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 4:09 PM Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" class="">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Hi. </div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 15:35 Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank" class="">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Nov 08, 2020 at 11:06:35AM -0500, Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br class="">
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>— run for the BoT of ISOC and give up the work they do in their own<br class="">
>countries<br class="">
>— never run foe the BoT, and keep work with their chapters foe the good of<br class="">
>the national Internet.<br class="">
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That appears to me to be a false dichotomy. As I have said repeatedly, there is no requirement to give up membership in a Chapter.</blockquote><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">And I didn’t talk about membership in a chapter. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" dir="auto">The requirement is that one not be a Trustee and an officer of any Chapter at the same time. </blockquote><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Right. That’s what I was talking about. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" dir="auto"> I believe that there are many examples of people working in a Chapter -- indeed, very actively -- without being an officer of that Chapter. </blockquote><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">That’s correct, too. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" dir="auto">I find it somewhat distressing, indeed, to read the apparent implication that the only important people in a Chapter are its officers.</blockquote><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I don’t think I’ve ever used the word “important”, but we are in a mailing list, which is called “chapter delegates”. If one is not a member of the chapter leadership, (s)he won’t be able to read it. That doesn’t make these people important (not sure why you came up with this word?), but just what the name suggests - chapter leaders. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The idea that someone cannot be a chapter leader and a Trustee of ISOC is definitely new (I was a Trustee and chair of the board of ISOC Bulgaria at some point), and to me makes no sense. Let’s not forget — as many have pointed out — that sitting in the chapter leadership is usually a volunteer position (same as being an ISOC trustee, right?), so I’m still not sure what conflict of interests there might be, and also not sure why one wouldn’t excuse themselves from issues that may be perceived as conflicting.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Actually, one could argue that if there are no interests, the chapter-elected trustees won’t even run for the BoT. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Perhaps someone at ISOC could provide us with a short list of where former and current Trustees are coming from with regards to them being members of chapter leadership? It may turn out that you are right, and then that won’t be an issue at all? Or may be the majority of them come from the chapter leadership and that’s normal as they have shown long-term interest in serving not only their countries’ Internet community, but the global one, too?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" dir="auto"><br class="">
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