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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Christian, you are right -
      diversity has many faces, and ISOC has to look into it, and decide
      what to do and how to do it. Just think about geography, gender,
      age, culture... to name only a few.<br>
      <br>
      Andrew, <br>
      I put culture last, but it is an important item - e.g. some
      chapters may decide not to speak against, or even speak at all, if
      there's something at the ISOC global level, because it's in the
      culture not to challenge. Sometimes someone may write something,
      which could be interpreted as insulting, while they don't mean it;
      while I can't give an example from the list, I am sure there are
      some. <br>
      I hope that you will be part of this conversation, and will find a
      way to urge chapters to both participate here, in the list, and
      may be reach out directly to you (or to whoever at the BoT
      level?), with keeping it confidential. Btw, in some cultures, the
      term "in confidence" is not the same as in the USA, so it might
      need some explanation what it means in the ISOC context.<br>
      <br>
      Hope that this exchange is helpful for the global and positive
      health of ISOC.<br>
      <br>
      v/<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/18/20 07:22, Christian de
      Larrinaga wrote:<br>
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          participate and build constituency around ISOC values. But
          also to encourage both NFP and commercial organisations
          involved in Internet employing them to engage with ISOC on
          those principles as an attractor for that talent.</div>
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                15:58:33 Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a> wrote:</p>
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                0 0 0 0.75ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080;
                padding-left: 0.75ex;"> <span style="font-family:
                  Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">George, thank you for
                  your note.<br>
                  At ISOC Bulgaria we find these issues of great concern
                  for the good of the global ISOC. <br>
                  Diversity, bringing young people, finding common areas
                  of interest, etc. are challenging for our chapter, as
                  well. <br>
                  ISOC, however, serves as an example not only to the
                  current chapters, but to its global members (not
                  affiliated with chapters as well), and it needs to put
                  more efforts. <br>
                  <br>
                  I am hopeful that the Governance WG you mention might
                  take these challenges at heart, and come with ideas
                  and solutions. If you need input from chapters, just
                  ask!<br>
                  <br>
                  v/<br>
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/20 12:47, George
                  Sadowsky wrote:<br>
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                  <div class="">All,</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                  <div class="">[The following remarks reflect my own
                    personal opinion and not necessarily that of any
                    component or function of ISOC.]</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">I think that this has been a useful
                    discussion, and I hope that it does not stop here.
                    As the Internet has expanded to connect more and
                    more users in more countries, it becomes
                    increasingly important for voices from those new
                    parts of the world to be heard in the institutions
                    that administer the Internet, such as ISOC. While
                    this has been difficult initially because the
                    historical roots of the Internet have been in
                    developed countries, we are now at a time when not
                    only the impact, use, and importance of the Internet
                    is well recognized in all countries, but the skills
                    to manage the Internet and the understanding of
                    policy issues that affect all countries are reaching
                    critical mass at the national level.</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                  <div class="">I have just been elected to the ISOC
                    Board, and am Chair of the Nominating Committee this
                    year. I take Andrew's point that previous nominating
                    committees have been quite aware of the issue more
                    diversity and have worked to try to provide it.  The
                    more important point that Andrew has stressed is
                    that the members of the board are elected by their
                    constituent groups and that if there is a sufficient
                    interest in diversity among the membership of a
                    constituent group, then the resulting collection
                    will favor that interest. I am fully committed to
                     working toward a ballot this year that provides
                    sufficient choice to result in diverse additions to
                    the board, but I need  help from all three
                    constituencies to ensure success.</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">Remember that in addition to those
                    candidates that are selected by the nominating
                    committee for the ballot, there is the possibility
                    of becoming a petition candidate and adding your
                    name to the ballot. There is no barrier to having a
                    diverse valid in any of the three constituencies
                    (IETF, ISOC organizational members, ISOC chapters)
                    if there is sufficient interest to do so among the
                    membership of that constituency.</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                  <div class="">Finally, this is a subject that is
                    relevant for the soon to be formed Internet Society
                    Governance working group, which has the charter that
                    provides for an examination of the current
                    governance structure and possible modifications to
                    it. Each constituency will have representatives on
                    this working group, and those of you who have a
                    particular interest in governance diversification
                    should learn who your representatives will be on the
                    working group and communicate your desires through
                    them.</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                  <div class="">Regards,</div>
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                  <div class="">George Sadowsky</div>
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                        <div class="">On Sep 11, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Veni
                          Markovski via Chapter-delegates <<a
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                          <div class=""> <span style="font-family:
                              Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Couple of
                              points below.</span><br class="">
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                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/11/20
                              11:56, Andrew Sullivan via
                              Chapter-delegates wrote:<br class="">
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                            <blockquote type="cite"
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                              class="">Diversity is clearly a larger
                              challenge that the IETF struggles with,
                              but I think they hear this from the Board.
                              <br class="">
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                            Good. We'll see if that was effective next
                            year, when they put their candidates for the
                            BoT. <br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            <blockquote type="cite"
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                              class="">
                              <blockquote type="cite" class="">Also, the
                                Board could decide, when there’s a
                                vacancy, to appoint someone <br
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                                from another region, too. <br class="">
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                              <br class="">
                              There's been some discussion of this.  I
                              will note that this Board is already quite
                              large, and adding more people could make
                              it seriously unwieldy.  </blockquote>
                            I didn't mean to add *more* people, but when
                            filling in a vacancy; it has happened in the
                            past - when I stepped down from the BoT,
                            Alejandro Pisanty was chosen to finish my
                            term. So, one East European was replaced
                            with one person from Latin America. IMHO,
                            this was a good choice from point of view of
                            geographic diversity.  <br class="">
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