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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Christian, you are right -
diversity has many faces, and ISOC has to look into it, and decide
what to do and how to do it. Just think about geography, gender,
age, culture... to name only a few.<br>
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Andrew, <br>
I put culture last, but it is an important item - e.g. some
chapters may decide not to speak against, or even speak at all, if
there's something at the ISOC global level, because it's in the
culture not to challenge. Sometimes someone may write something,
which could be interpreted as insulting, while they don't mean it;
while I can't give an example from the list, I am sure there are
some. <br>
I hope that you will be part of this conversation, and will find a
way to urge chapters to both participate here, in the list, and
may be reach out directly to you (or to whoever at the BoT
level?), with keeping it confidential. Btw, in some cultures, the
term "in confidence" is not the same as in the USA, so it might
need some explanation what it means in the ISOC context.<br>
<br>
Hope that this exchange is helpful for the global and positive
health of ISOC.<br>
<br>
v/<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/18/20 07:22, Christian de
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<div dir="auto">So important to nurture younger talent to
participate and build constituency around ISOC values. But
also to encourage both NFP and commercial organisations
involved in Internet employing them to engage with ISOC on
those principles as an attractor for that talent.</div>
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15:58:33 Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a> wrote:</p>
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padding-left: 0.75ex;"> <span style="font-family:
Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">George, thank you for
your note.<br>
At ISOC Bulgaria we find these issues of great concern
for the good of the global ISOC. <br>
Diversity, bringing young people, finding common areas
of interest, etc. are challenging for our chapter, as
well. <br>
ISOC, however, serves as an example not only to the
current chapters, but to its global members (not
affiliated with chapters as well), and it needs to put
more efforts. <br>
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I am hopeful that the Governance WG you mention might
take these challenges at heart, and come with ideas
and solutions. If you need input from chapters, just
ask!<br>
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v/<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/20 12:47, George
Sadowsky wrote:<br>
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<div class="">All,</div>
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<div class="">[The following remarks reflect my own
personal opinion and not necessarily that of any
component or function of ISOC.]</div>
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<div class="">I think that this has been a useful
discussion, and I hope that it does not stop here.
As the Internet has expanded to connect more and
more users in more countries, it becomes
increasingly important for voices from those new
parts of the world to be heard in the institutions
that administer the Internet, such as ISOC. While
this has been difficult initially because the
historical roots of the Internet have been in
developed countries, we are now at a time when not
only the impact, use, and importance of the Internet
is well recognized in all countries, but the skills
to manage the Internet and the understanding of
policy issues that affect all countries are reaching
critical mass at the national level.</div>
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<div class="">I have just been elected to the ISOC
Board, and am Chair of the Nominating Committee this
year. I take Andrew's point that previous nominating
committees have been quite aware of the issue more
diversity and have worked to try to provide it. The
more important point that Andrew has stressed is
that the members of the board are elected by their
constituent groups and that if there is a sufficient
interest in diversity among the membership of a
constituent group, then the resulting collection
will favor that interest. I am fully committed to
working toward a ballot this year that provides
sufficient choice to result in diverse additions to
the board, but I need help from all three
constituencies to ensure success.</div>
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<div class="">Remember that in addition to those
candidates that are selected by the nominating
committee for the ballot, there is the possibility
of becoming a petition candidate and adding your
name to the ballot. There is no barrier to having a
diverse valid in any of the three constituencies
(IETF, ISOC organizational members, ISOC chapters)
if there is sufficient interest to do so among the
membership of that constituency.</div>
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<div class="">Finally, this is a subject that is
relevant for the soon to be formed Internet Society
Governance working group, which has the charter that
provides for an examination of the current
governance structure and possible modifications to
it. Each constituency will have representatives on
this working group, and those of you who have a
particular interest in governance diversification
should learn who your representatives will be on the
working group and communicate your desires through
them.</div>
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points below.</span><br class="">
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11:56, Andrew Sullivan via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br class="">
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class="">Diversity is clearly a larger
challenge that the IETF struggles with,
but I think they hear this from the Board.
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Good. We'll see if that was effective next
year, when they put their candidates for the
BoT. <br class="">
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Board could decide, when there’s a
vacancy, to appoint someone <br
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from another region, too. <br class="">
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There's been some discussion of this. I
will note that this Board is already quite
large, and adding more people could make
it seriously unwieldy. </blockquote>
I didn't mean to add *more* people, but when
filling in a vacancy; it has happened in the
past - when I stepped down from the BoT,
Alejandro Pisanty was chosen to finish my
term. So, one East European was replaced
with one person from Latin America. IMHO,
this was a good choice from point of view of
geographic diversity. <br class="">
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