<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Whatever the history and intent of delegates, ISOC's problem is too little communication among chapters and members, not too much. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">We definitely should include all chapter board members, as has been the practice for years in many cases. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Only a handful of threads here are started by group members, so that doesn't result in an overload in our mailbox. Most of the volume is ISOC announcements.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:35 PM Alfredo Calderon via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Dear Christine:<div><br></div><div>Eduardo makes a valid observation. The members of the list does not agree with the definition you provide. I understood that it was for the designated 'delegates' of each Chapter/SIG. I am starting to believe that the whole purpose of this list has been "lost".</div><div><br></div><div>Can someone clearly, what was/is the charter/mission/agenda of this group?<br><br><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div id="gmail-m_4608942894789588862gmail-WISESTAMP_SIG_24aebe1bd9e999574dee926d3799e838"><div id="gmail-m_4608942894789588862gmail-tp1s" style="margin-top:6pt;margin-right:6pt;margin-bottom:6pt"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="470" style="width:352.5pt"><tbody><tr><td width="10" valign="top" style="width:7.5pt;padding:0in 7.5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><img border="0" width="65" height="67" id="gmail-m_4608942894789588862_x0000_i1034" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/ucwebapp.wisestamp.com/bbfdb9f5-8428-4ef7-bd1e-dc024659da8b/FotoAlfredo.format_png.resize_200x.png" alt="photo" style="width: 0.677in; height: 0.6979in;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td valign="top" style="border-style:none solid none none;border-right-width:1pt;border-right-color:rgb(51,153,102);padding:0in"></td><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 7.5pt;text-align:initial"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>Alfredo Calderon</b><br>eLearning Consultant <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href="mailto:calderon.alfredo@gmail.com" target="_blank">calderon.alfredo@gmail.com</a> |<a href="http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com</a> | Skype: <span style="text-decoration:underline">Alfredo_1212</span>| <a href="http://wiseintro.co/alfredocalderon" target="_blank">wiseintro.co/alfredocalderon</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div style="margin-top:3.75pt"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:7.5pt 3.75pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:center"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href="http://facebook.com/calderon.alfredo" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="16" height="16" id="gmail-m_4608942894789588862_x0000_i1033" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/social_icons/square/facebook.png" alt="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/social_icons/square/facebook.png" style="width: 0.1666in; 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<div>It is thus the list of “Officers” as defined by each Chapter/SIG that is synched onto the “Chapter-Delegates” list. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If there are "over 110 Chapters" and SIGs as stated on the ISOC website, that implies that there are, on average, 7+ Leaders/Delegates for each Chapter/SIG. </div>
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<div>As to the question about how many members there are on the Chapter-Delegates list: there are currently 877 members, including all current Chapter and SIG Leaders, as well as some ISOC staff and Board members. The number of members on this list
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<div>To your question Alfredo, we are not sure on what basis this decision was taken in 2009, but it is quite possible that this change happened by accident as others have mentioned on the list. We have therefore set it back to the original intended
status, but would like to get a sense of what the list members’ preference is via the poll here: <a href="https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/G7XTRLX" target="_blank">https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/G7XTRLX</a></div>
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<div dir="auto">I actually agree with Veni. The strangest thing is how come 1,000 delegates (as cited) are on the list. Is it not suppose to be updated based on the “actual-active” delegates per chapter.
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<div>When and why was it changed from private to public? I believe that gors against the whole purpose of the list.</div>
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<div>Even if the idea is to become a “transparent” organization, some business needs to be carried-out in an environment that then allows the group to organize ideas that will be shared in a coherent and “consensus way” to the ISOC community.</div>
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<div>I agree with you. It should remain private. Possibly it was made public by accident </div>
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<div dir="auto">As to the “secrecy”, Dave, I see this more about question of trust among ourselves, rather than a secrecy issue. Given the fact some people put names, addresses and phones in their emails, it could be also a GDPR issue, if it’s published
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<div>Some of you may have seen a question that came up on the Internet-Policy list concerning the archive of the Chapter-Delegates list (see:
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The list was intended to be a private discussion place for current leaders only and has been set up like that in 2005. The archive was therefore also private to current list members.<br>
It was brought to our attention that the list archive was made public in 2009. We are not sure on what basis this decision was taken at the time and have therefore set it back to the original intended status.<br>
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<div>This is a list that is there for all of you to use and we’d thus like to hear what the preference of the list members is with regards to keeping the list archives private (to the list members) as opposed to making them public. </div>
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<div>Please add your answer to that question by clicking on this link before 30 July: <a href="https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/G7XTRLX" target="_blank">https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/G7XTRLX</a></div>
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