<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Chrristine,<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The sum total of Chapter funding for a year is less than 2% of Internet Society's budget. Even if the Chapter funding budget varies by 25% of what you have anticipated at the beginning of the year (in scenarios where five of ten Chapters apply for admin funding in August, September or December, that 25% variance wouldn't hurt the overall Internet Society budget. Also, if you decide to keep the Admin funding open throughout the year, you would naturally provide for a variance in your budget phase itself, so this "unexpected" overrun wouldn't hurt at all.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sivasubramanianmuthusamy/" target="_blank">Sivasubramanian M</a></div><div><a href="mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com" target="_blank">6.Internet@gmail.com</a></div><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="http://twitter.com/shivaindia" target="_blank">twitter.com/shivaindia</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:53 PM Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Dear all, <br>
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The Chapter Admin Funding programme is there to support the Chapter’s day to day running of the Chapter itself.
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<div>While the Admin funding programme was launched in Oct 2016 with an application deadline in Dec 2016, the programme always closed in either May or June in the following years. <br>
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The main reasons for closing it in June are: <br>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>• feedback we have received from Chapters is that they would like to receive their Admin Funding in the first part of the year to be able to carry out their plans throughout the year.<br>
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<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>• budget management and visibility (it’s is a large total amount of money to allocate without knowing how many Chapters will apply)<br>
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<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>• end of year accounting volume – there is a tendency for Chapters to apply at deadline. Over the past years, we typically received 70% of the Chapter applications within the last 3
days before the deadline, and this across the various Chapter funding programmes. If the programme closes towards the end of the year, this means a considerable number of invoices that need to be paid on top of normal end of year closing.<br>
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Last year, we opened a 2nd round of Chapter Admin Funding to accommodate particular circumstances faced by the Chapters. Based on the feedback here, we will look into opening a second round later in the year for 2020 too. And, as mentioned in my earlier message,
we will have a look at the overall funding schedule for next year.</div>
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In the meantime, 73% of Chapters have successfully submitted their applications for 2020 by the 30 June deadline and we will work with the Chapters who faced challenges to submit their applications on time due to the very difficult global circumstances to identify
solutions. Please reach out to Stine Philipsen <<a href="mailto:philipsen@isoc.org" target="_blank">philipsen@isoc.org</a>> over the next two weeks if this is your Chapter’s case. <br>
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Also, concerning the need for a bank account on the name of the Chapter: </div>
<div>What the Chapter Charter Letter says is that the Chapter agrees to “Establish a bank account or other equivalent financial account in the name of the Chapter to receive and disburse funds, including funding provided by the Internet Society.” (see
point 3.1.V <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2018-2020-ISOC_Chapter_Charter_Agreement-Apr2020.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2018-2020-ISOC_Chapter_Charter_Agreement-Apr2020.pdf</a>)</div>
<div>Any "equivalent financial account" would have to be legal and secure (and auditable), and the Chapter would need to make and receive payments to and from it in the name of the Chapter as a legal organization.
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Wyn, to your question: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">In this vein, i am also seeking clarification of your second bullet point below -- "For Chapters in a country where legal registration is not necessary to open a bank account in the official name of the Chapter ..." -- is this
worded correctly (with the "not); or should that instead read -- "For Chapters in a country where legal registration is necessary to open a bank account in the official name of the Chapter ...". <br>
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This is not a typo. In most cases, a local legal registration is needed for the bank to be able to open a bank account in the name of the Chapter. However, in some countries it is possible to constitute a group that doesn’t need a legal registration in order
to be able to open a Chapter bank account. In South Africa for example, it is possible to create "Voluntary Associations" that can open bank accounts in the name of their entity without any formal legal registration. Chapters who operate in a similar legal
context are invited to reach out to us by contacting Stine Philipsen (<a href="mailto:philipsen@isoc.org" target="_blank">philipsen@isoc.org</a>) to discuss their particular case. <br>
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I hope this helps clarify some of the points raised.</div>
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Best, <br>
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Christine </div>
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<div>On 3. Jul 2020, at 14:57, Christian via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p>I am sympathetic to the needs of chapters that for whatever reason can't viably work within their own registered formal entity locally.
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<p>ISOC London was informal as it became ISOC England which did formalise in 1999 before it became a chartered chapter (there was already a formal ISOC Scotland organisation since defunct). ISOC England again became "informal" in the mid2000s and stayed
informal as the core of the current team refreshed it from 2011 until a couple of years ago.</p>
<p>A sufficient stable revenue that would at least meet our regularised costs for at least 3 years beyond the current financial year was for us an essential pre condition before we formalised.
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<p>So far that has happened according to plan.</p>
<p>One thought I've had that might help with chartered but informally structured chapters.
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<p>ISOC regional offices could set up a regional secretariat entity that was managed by ISOC staff with chapter leadership engagement to handle the financial formalities for informal chapters.<br>
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<p>With grants managed from that with chapter and ISOC trustee oversight. It should satisfy concerns for accountability and getting the money doing useful things?</p>
<p>If an informal chapter starts to get viable longer term support locally that will allow it to sustain its own structure and governance then it can always do that at a later date.
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<p>C<br>
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<div>On 03/07/2020 12:46, sivasubramanian muthusamy via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<div>In the case of the Chennai Chapter, we have opted NOT to incorporate, because incorporation / formation as an NGO / Trust requires systematic paperwork, filing of monthly / quarterly reports or what we call "returns" and might involve visits to
one or more Government offices, additional procedures for receiving / sending money from / to accounts outside the country. That makes it difficult for a Chapter of volunteers to commit to such processes that might require a Chapter Accountant, and in addition
would require the Chapter to engage the services of a Chartered Accountant and in some cases a Lawyer. Professionals with a sense of responsibility, commitment and thoroughness, who also have a sense of Accountability are expensive in terms of the fee payable.
As a Chapter, who have handled a sum total of about $ 6000 in 12 years, it was unwise to seek to commit to these processes, which would have required us to spend about $5000 a year in professional fees alone merely to meet the compliance requirements. The
$ 5000 / year indicated here is arbitrary, one could argue that there are professionals of lesser standards who can be engaged at about $500 a year or even less (not denying that the fee charged is not always a measure of the standards of service extended,
but it is often true that reliable services require a good outlay for professional fees); It can also be argued that much more than $ 5000 a year is to be set aside towards professional fees, and even additional provisions may be required for legal services;
With this rationale, though not conclusively decided not to incorporate in some form, we have been hesitating; We do have a bank account, though I am not saying this to ask for admin funding right now.</div>
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<p>Thank you for your comprehensive reply Christine. <br>
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<p>During the campaign for signing by all Chapters of the Chapter Letter, correct me if i misheard or do not remember correctly, but i distinctly recall your mentioning that alternative procedures would be made available for those Chapters in countries
where a bank account requires full incorporation. I mention this again as in some developing countries such a registration, particularly for non-profit entities, is extremely onerous. This is does not just entail red-tape and the usual mandatory regulatory
requirements, but the surrender of personal privacy; for example a requirement that all officers of such an entity sign waivers allowing scrutiny of all personal bank accounts. In a country where there is reasonable rule of law, this may perhaps be barely
reasonable. In a country where the government can and does "weaponize" the law, this represents a significant risk and threat against the officers of such an entity.
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<p>In this vein, i am also seeking clarification of your second bullet point below -- "<i>For Chapters in a country where legal registration is
<b>not</b> necessary to open a bank account in the official name of the Chapter ...</i>" -- is this worded correctly (with the "not); or should that instead read -- "<i>For Chapters in a country where legal registration
<b>is</b> necessary to open a bank account in the official name of the Chapter ...</i>".
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<p>Kindly advise, thank you! <br>
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<p>WYn<i><br>
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<div>On 3 Jul 2020 5:20 pm, Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid2"><span>Dear Chapter Leaders,</span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid3"><span> </span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid508"><span>Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts around </span><span>the </span><span>Chapter
Admin Funding </span><span>Programme </span><span>(and
other funding programs), please know that all your feedback is noted and taken into consideration for future improvements.</span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid5"><br>
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<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid532"><span>We will </span><span>be
in touch with</span><span> the Chapter Advisory Council Steering Committee</span><span> </span><span>later
this year to </span><span>agree on</span><span> a
timeline that works </span><span>better for everyone for 2021. </span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid29"><span> </span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid69"><span>Based on the comments on the list, we also</span><span> wish
to share some clarifications that are hopefully to everyone’s benefit:</span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid9"><span> </span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid10"><span>Bank Accounts and Funding Eligibility</span><span>:</span></div>
<ul>
<li><span>The requirement to have a bank account in the name of the Chapter/SIG is not a new requirement. This was introduced in 2018
as reflected in the updated Charter Letters, and required for the Internet Society and the Internet Society Foundation to comply with their own accounting and liability requirements (see point 3.1.V </span><span><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2018-2020-ISOC_Chapter_Charter_Agreement-Apr2020.pdf" rel="noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2018-2020-ISOC_Chapter_Charter_Agreement-Apr2020.pdf</a></span><span>).</span></li><li><span>For Chapters in a country where legal registration is not necessary to open a bank account in the official name of the Chapter,
please reach out to Stine Philipsen (<a href="mailto:philipsen@isoc.org" target="_blank">philipsen@isoc.org</a>) with some background on the local setting your Chapter is operating in. We evaluate these circumstances on a case-by-case
basis.</span></li><li><span>Concerning the 2019 round of evaluations: </span><span>Please</span><span> </span><span>keep
in mind that </span><span>additional time was needed to evaluate the applications last year since we were missing </span><span>documentation
(legal registration and matching bank account) </span><span>from a number of Chapters. We needed to have these documents on
file for being</span><span> able to disburse funds. </span></li></ul>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid14"><span> </span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid130"><span>Internet Society & Internet Society Foundation </span><span>Funding
Programs:</span></div>
<ul>
<li><span>The Foundation handles project-related funding for Chapters as well as additional funding programs open to a wider audience</span><span>.
T</span><span>his includes Beyond the Net, SCILLS,</span><span> IGF
and COVID19 Emergency Response, </span><span><a href="https://www.isocfoundation.org/funding-areas/" rel="noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">please
refer to 'Funding Areas' on the Foundation website</a></span><span>.</span></li><li><span>The Internet Society manages the </span><span>Chapter </span><span>Admin
Funding (for the day to day running of Chapters/SIGs) and the Chapterthon. </span><span>For Chapter Admin Funding, </span><span><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/grants/chapter-admin-funding/" rel="noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">please
refer to 'Chapter Admin Funding' on the Internet Society website.</a></span></li></ul>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid18"><br>
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<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid19"><span>Deadline for Chapter Admin Funding:</span></div>
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<li><span>The</span><span> 30
June deadline (including funding requirements) has been communicated via numerous Chapter Updates, regional calls and updates, and is listed on the website under the Chapter Admin Funding section. If you consider there to be gaps in our communication around
important deadlines, we welcome your suggestions on how you wish to receive this information. Please share this feedback directly with your </span><span>Regional
Community Engagement</span><span> Managers.</span></li><li><span>From a systems perspective, the 'Valid until July 01, 2020' is to ensure the program remains open and all applications submitted
within the 30 June 2020 deadline are well-received </span><span><u>across all time zones</u></span><span>.</span></li></ul>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid22"><br>
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<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid403"><span>General comment: </span></div>
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<li><span>As Stine mentioned in her e-mail to the list on 1 July, we kindly ask those Chapters facing issues linked to the unusual circumstances
the world is facing this year to contact her (Stine Philipsen) directly at <</span><span><a href="mailto:philipsen@isoc.org" rel="noreferrer
nofollow" target="_blank">philipsen@isoc.org</a></span><span>>
by 15 July, so we can evaluate potential solutions for their Admin Funding requests.</span></li></ul>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid389"><br>
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<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid23"><span>Thanks again for your collaboration. As mentioned, </span><span>your
fe</span><span>edback and suggestions are</span><span> noted
and taken into consideration for future improvements </span><span>of our Chapter Admin Funding program.</span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid451"><br>
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<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid456"><span>Best, </span></div>
<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid456"><span><br>
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<div id="gmail-m_776340513242676160gmail-m_4431613232573144261magicdomid456"><span>Christine </span></div>
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