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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>During the call, Ethos stated (see p. 4 of the transcript): “[Alleged non-compliance] can be referred by ICANN to a PICDRP panel, which you can think of as being kind of analogous to an arbitration proceeding, and the conclusions of that panel would be binding on PIR.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is not correct. The conclusions of PIC DRP panels are not binding, see 4.8 of the PICDRP process, at:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <a href="http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/picdrp-01feb20-en.pdf">http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/picdrp-01feb20-en.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So the PICDRP is not at all analogous to an arbitration proceeding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There have only been two PICDRP cases to date, see:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/picdrp-2014-01-09-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/picdrp-2014-01-09-en</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>As I’ve said before, I do not consider the PICDRP to be a particularly strong enforcement mechanism, quite the contrary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Separately, on pages 9-10, Brian Cimbolic (PIR) and Allen Grogan (Ethos) state that the PIC contains a process, but not a substantive, commitment regarding changes to free speech and data privacy policies so that policies could be changed in the future, but the Stewardship Council could veto the changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As I’ve already pointed out, the Stewardship Council can veto only by a 2/3 majority. Why not change it so that no changes can be made unless the Stewardship Council unanimously agrees to the change?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Separately, on page 10, Brian Cimbolic states that they think that they have consulted with the community regarding the PIC. I disagree. The PIC was developed unilaterally (albeit perhaps with input from some unspecified persons outside Ethos/PIR) and presented as a fait accompli. It was not posted with a request for comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Therefore, I do not agree that Ethos or ISOC/PIR have consulted the community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joly MacFie via Chapter-delegates<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 6, 2020 18:06<br><b>To:</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] WEBCAST TUESDAY: Community Engagement: The Legal Enforceability of Ethos’ Public Interest Commitment (PIC)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>[Oops I meant this call. So many calls!]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A transcript of this call is now available<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://isoc.live/pir/2020.03.03_The_Legal_Enforceability_of_Ethos_PIC.pdf" target="_blank">https://isoc.live/pir/2020.03.03_The_Legal_Enforceability_of_Ethos_PIC.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, there was a follow up call the next day with ICANN's Noncommercial Users Constituency, that is available at <a href="https://youtu.be/U-hWhk02kus" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/U-hWhk02kus</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:19 PM Joly MacFie <<a href="mailto:joly.nyc@gmail.com">joly.nyc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There were several PIC-related questions at last weeks <a href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety/orgcommunity" target="_blank">Community Engagement Webinar</a>. Thus a full presentation. There is only 30 mins scheduled for this, so perhaps not that much time for discussion. I am told there will be another Community call next week.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#DDDDDD'><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>ISOC Live posted: "On Tuesday, March 3 2020, from 15:00–15:30 EST (20:00–20:30 UTC), Ethos Capital invites you to a webinar 'Community Engagement: The Legal Enforceability of Ethos’ Public Interest Commitment (PIC)'. Presenters will be Brian Cimbolic, General Counsel, PIR, " <o:p></o:p></p><div align=center><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;max-width:1024px;min-width:320px'><tr><td style='padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:white'><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#43A4D0'><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:white'><tr><td style='padding:12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'></td></tr></table><div style='margin-top:12.0pt;max-width:560px'><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:16.8pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'><a href="http://livestream.com/internetsociety/ethospic" target="_blank"><span style='color:#2585B2;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=300 height=169 id="_x0000_i1037" src="https://isoc.live/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ethospic-300x169.png" alt=livestream></span></a>On <strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Tuesday, March 3 2020</span></strong>, from <strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>15:00–15:30 EST</span></strong> (20:00–20:30 UTC), <strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><a href="https://ethoscapital.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#2585B2'>Ethos Capital</span></a></span></strong> invites you to a webinar '<strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><a href="https://www.keypointsabout.org/events" target="_blank"><span style='color:#2585B2'>Community Engagement: The Legal Enforceability of Ethos’ Public Interest Commitment (PIC)</span></a></span></strong>'. Presenters will be <strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Brian Cimbolic</span></strong>, General Counsel, PIR, and <strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Allen Grogan</span></strong>, Legal Advisor, Ethos Capital. The session will be webcast live on the <a href="https://isoc.live" target="_blank"><strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#2585B2'>Internet Society Livestream Channel</span></strong></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:16.8pt'><strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'>LIVESTREAM: <a href="http://livestream.com/internetsociety/ethospic" target="_blank"><span style='color:#2585B2'>http://livestream.com/internetsociety/ethospic</span></a></span></strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'> (open captions)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:16.8pt'><strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'>PARTICIPATE: <a href="https://pir.zoom.us/j/299610749" target="_blank"><span style='color:#2585B2'>https://pir.zoom.us/j/299610749</span></a></span></strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'> (closed captions)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:16.8pt'><strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'>MORE INFO: <a href="https://www.keypointsabout.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#2585B2'>https://www.keypointsabout.org/</span></a></span></strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#EFEFEF;border:none;border-top:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt'><tr><td style='border:none;border-top:solid #F3F3F3 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:16.8pt'><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Permalink</span></b></span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'>: <br><a href="https://isoc.live/11839/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#2585B2'>https://isoc.live/11839/</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#43A4D0'><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'></td></tr></table></div></td></tr></table></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1038" src="http://pixel.wp.com/b.gif?blog=151329629&post=11839&subd=isoc.live&ref=&email=1&email_o=jetpack&host=jetpack.wordpress.com"><img border=0 width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1039" src="http://pixel.wp.com/t.gif?email_name=email_subscription&blog_id=151329629&_ui=2239291&email_id=93a45a268447800cfa2dfc9231a8bce0&date_sent=2020-03-02&domain=isoc.live&frequency=0&digest=0&has_html=1&locale=en&_en=wpcom_email_open&browser_type=php-agent&_aua=wpcom-tracks-client-v0.3&_ul=wwwhatsup1&_ut=wpcom%3Auser_id&blog_tz=-5&blog_lang=0&user_lang=en&_ts=1583182452015"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--------------------------------------<br>Joly MacFie +2185659365 <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--------------------------------------<br>Joly MacFie +2185659365 <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>