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<p>To be clear -- no objections to the ChAC advice were made before
the deadline. The "dissenters" were requesting an extension of the
Consensus Call deadline. <br>
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<p>Was that an accusation of the ChAC "suppressing dissent"? That
seems like a strange accusation, particularly as the Chapters were
not even given the chance to dissent before the PIR sale was
declared a "done deal". Isn't ISOC itself an NGO/CSO to which
these standards should apply? <br>
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<p>WYn<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2 Mar 2020 6:29 am, Mike Godwin via
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due respect, the ChAC process was scrupulously
followed, as Eduardo has explained. You apparently
think that that process is not appropriate. You are of
course entitled to you views, but it is the process
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notion that scrupulous adherence to due process is a
defense is a common argument in Hell. See, e.g., this
statement by Grant Gilmore:</span></div>
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relevant sentence: "In hell there will be nothing but
law, and due process will be meticulously observed.”</span><span
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<div><font face="Merriweather, Georgia, serif"
color="#181818">Your argument that that due process
was "scrupulously" followed is no comfort to the
dissenters whom you participated in suppressing.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 5:07 PM
John More via Chapter-delegates <<a
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Juan
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I fully recognize how busy most of us are. There is a
difference between the elists which are often loaded with
repetitious comments and can be a waste of time. The ChapterAC
process for the advice was clear and scrupulously followed.
Moreover, it involved relatively minimal time demands except
for those of us on the drafting committee. All that was
required was to review the draft and send in an email
opposition. If there had been opposition expressed, a vote
would have been required.<br>
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So I agree that silence is not assent, but it is a “consent"
that the proposal go forward without a formal vote, especially
since withholding consent was fairly easy to do.<br>
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I do hope you will be able to be involved if the ChaptersAC
has another issue like this one.<br>
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Yours,<br>
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John More<br>
ISOC-DC<br>
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> On Mar 1, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Juan C. Cigala, Internet
Society Canarias via Chapter-delegates <<a
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> I agree with Franca and Solomon, silence is not consent.<br>
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> Many of us haven't the time to take care of this kind of
never ending kind of discussions.<br>
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> I support the debate, but with the due respect for the
time of the others.<br>
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> On 2/27/2020 04:49, Solomon Hopewell Kembo via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
>> I agree with Franca, silence is not consent.<br>
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