<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><span id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-4799138f-7fff-de00-a4c0-959cb58f15fe" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Dear all:</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We have been reading the on-line discussion about the procedures that the ISOC Chapter Advisory Council Steering Committee (ChAC-SC) used to arrive at the three pieces of Advice and the use of the words “unanimous” and “full”. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We propose the following clarification:</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">First the procedure. A meeting of the full Chapter Advisory Council (full ChAC) was convened on 17 December 2019 to discuss, among other agenda issues, the PIR sale. 40 Chapter Advisory Council Delegates  participated in that meeting. Quorum for these meetings is 19. This meeting was 210% quorate (40/19).  See meeting participation and minutes in this link: </span><a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/xr9q3re7ibjo0kt0tsj2a1cy9df7vlqa" style="text-decoration:none"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(149,79,114);background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-skip:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://isoc.box.com/s/xr9q3re7ibjo0kt0tsj2a1cy9df7vlqa</span></a></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">A Drafting Group (DG) was created during this meeting.  Nine (9) ChAC Delegates volunteers came forward and started to work on 18 December 2019 on a Draft Advice document. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">On 24 January 2020 the nine (9) members of the DG reached consensus on version 4.0 of the Draft Advice document. This version was then sent to the full ChAC to give everyone an opportunity to comment on it. The comment period was open for 7 days from 30 January 2020 to 7 February 2020. Many comments were received during this time.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;backgrou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ground-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">As you can infer from this procedure and timeline, the ChAC-SC went further by having an Advice Comment period before reaching the consensus required by our governance documents for any substantive decisions.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">  </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Now on the use of the words “full” and “unanimous”.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The word “full” is used in front of the abbreviations “ChAC” to indicate that we are referring to the full list of Chapter Advisory Council Delegates (see this list here: </span><a href="https://apps.internetsociety.org/form/chapter-representatives" style="text-decoration:none"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(149,79,114);background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-skip:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://apps.internetsociety.org/form/chapter-representatives</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">) and not the Chapter Advisory Council Steering Committee (ChAC-SC) which consist of nine (9) members only (see </span><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/steering-committee" style="text-decoration:none"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(149,79,114);background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-skip:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/steering-committee</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">). This distinction grew organically since internal mailing lists were constantly being confused. Adding the word “full” helped to eliminate the confusion. The word “full” is used within the ISOC ChAC and does not have any more meaning than the one stated.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We used the word “unanimous”, both within the latest Advice transmittal history and ChAC notice, to the ISOC Board of Trustees (BoT), to </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-skip:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">strictly</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> indicate that no objections were received during the consensus call made to the full ChAC. We stated this fact in the notice sent to the BoT. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="font-size:11pt">After hearing the reaction of the President of BoT and a few others, we agree that the word "unanimous" used in the context of the </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">C</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-size:11pt">onsensus call could have led many people to misunderstand the result. John More, from the Washington DC Chapter, pinpoints this in a recent email: </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-weight:700;font-style:italic;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">“Unanimous only applies when there has been [a] call for votes and there are no ‘no’ votes”</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">. In other words, you need certainty. In a consensus call process, certainty that everyone was in “unanimous” agreement with whatever was stated is something that cannot be concluded. In our case, the only certainty was that no objections were received and it was within that context that we used it.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We can assure you that the word “unanimous” will not be used by the ChAC-SC in future Consensus calls going forward.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">-ed</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><br></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="text-align:center;line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large">---0---</span></span></p><br></span><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:03 AM Richard Hill via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-866796426588801903WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear Mike,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>Thanks for this. I used the word “full” merely to distinguish the Steering Committee list from the full list. I did not mean to imply anything else. I will let Eduoardo comment on his use of “unanimous”.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The document sent to the Board clearly indicates that there is lack of consensus regarding many issues, and, in my view, it is a call for further discussions.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>So, from my point of view, there was no effort, conscious or unconscious, to eliminate any appearance of dissent or need for further discussions. Quite the contrary.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Richard<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1.5pt;border-left-color:blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Mike Godwin [mailto:<a href="mailto:mnemonic@gmail.com" target="_blank">mnemonic@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 27, 2020 15:56<br><b>To:</b> Richard Hill<br><b>Cc:</b> Franca Palazzo; Narelle Clark; ISOC Chapter Delegates<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dear Richard,</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">It is the nature of my work that I'm obligated to pay attention to what you call "procedural niceties." Many people think "procedural" concerns are relatively unimportant, but in the context of policy recommendations and decisions it is often the case that adherence to procedural norms minimizes the risks of misinformation and misperception. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">It seems possible, speaking as someone who was not a participant in this particular set of deliberations, although I have experienced similar deliberations in other contents, that there may have been an conscious effort to communicate that there was more "unanimous" or "full" participation in an important deliberation than, in practice, there was. It's also possible that there wasn't. But adhering to good procedural practice reduces uncertainty about these questions.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">If you are trying to say, Richard, that there was no active effort to eliminate any appearance of dissent or desire for further discussion, <span style="color:black">, through the adroit use of "procedural niceties" or the particular choices of words like "unanimous" or "full," </span> then I think it's good for you and other participants to say so expressly here.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Mike Godwin</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:36 AM Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear Mike,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">There was indeed a request to postpone the deadline for the consensus call, but the request was opposed. Since there was no consensus to postpone the deadline, the Chair of the ChAC (in my view correctly) ruled that the deadline would not be postponed.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Please recall that this is about non-binding advice to the Board, so it seems unproductive to me to be quibbling about procedural niceties.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Richard</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1.5pt;border-left-color:blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Mike Godwin [mailto:<a href="mailto:mnemonic@gmail.com" target="_blank">mnemonic@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 27, 2020 14:29<br><b>To:</b> Franca Palazzo<br><b>Cc:</b> Narelle Clark; Richard Hill; ISOC Chapter Delegates<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Franca, you are not the only person from whom I have heard that there was a call for further discussion and that this call was actively discouraged or suppressed. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In general, in larger United Nations or civil-society contexts, calls for further discussion are normally an indicator that driving a collective resolution towards consensus approval is premature. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mike Godwin<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 3:37 AM Franca Palazzo via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">I do not agree that silence is consent.  </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">The Canadian Chapter does not necessarily agree with this submission in its entirety.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">I asked for further discussion and was immediately pounced on.  </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Our chapter should not be associated as agreeing with these recommendations. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">We dont have the time nor the resources to properly engage on this. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">I had not realized we could call for a vote.  It would seem to me that this should have been done. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div id="gmail-m_-866796426588801903gmail-m_1026996254184300187gmail-m_-3969777274667581617ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Get <a href="https://aka.ms/ghei36" target="_blank">Outlook for Android</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="3" width="98%" align="center"></div><div id="gmail-m_-866796426588801903gmail-m_1026996254184300187gmail-m_-3969777274667581617divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>> on behalf of Narelle Clark via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 7:00:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice</span> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Richard<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Would you mind giving an overview of the process used, or pointing me at a description of it?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Much appreciated <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Narelle <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 27 Feb. 2020, 2:02 am Richard Hill via Chapter-delegates, <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear John,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I disagree with your inference below. The consensus call clearly indicated that lack of opposition (silence) would indicate approval. That’s not an unusual way to seek approval, it it is used in many circumstances.  And it is the method foreseen in the ChAC’s operating rules.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So, if we believe  in rules and procedures, then we must accept that the advice represents the consensus of the Chapters.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Richard</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1.5pt;border-left-color:blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Chapter-delegates [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John More via Chapter-delegates<br><b>Sent:</b> mercredi, 26. février 2020 15:30<br><b>To:</b> Gonzalo Camarillo<br><b>Cc:</b> Chapters AC Elist; Chapter Delegates<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p><p>Gonzalo<u></u><u></u></p><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>The failure of the large majority of Chapter delegates to communicate in the call for consensus does indicate that the recommendations do not reflect a broad consensus in the ISOC community.  They reflect the concerns of the more activist Chapters.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Yours,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>John More<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Delegate, ISOC-DC<u></u><u></u></p><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p>On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi Eduardo,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">thanks for putting together the three documents with advice to the Board. The Board will discuss them and get back to you in order to continue the dialog.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">In addition, as you know, we have been working for several years with you and the previous ChAC chairs to find ways for us to engage the community more effectively. Unfortunately, that still seems to be a challenge. Per the thread below, where you seem to have discussed this advice, around 80 to 85% of our 124 chapters did not participate in the discussions or express any opinion on the advice at all:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=2ee50649-4a00-4918-83a5-4c8a9a7c7a4c" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=2ee50649-4a00-4918-83a5-4c8a9a7c7a4c</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We hope to continue working with you on finding ways to engage a much larger fraction of our community in the future, especially when dealing with important issues.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">With the above in mind, it is unfortunately inappropriate to say that this advice was approved by *unanimous* consensus since most of the community did not even participate in the discussions (after receiving your advice, several people from different chapters indeed told me they had actually not noticed the discussions on the advice at all). Therefore, I am cc'ing the 'Chapter Delegates' mailing list on this email so that as many people as possible from our community are aware of these advice and our upcoming response.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I have also noticed that you decided not to include any information that was made available after February 10th, including the recently announced PIC. Well, we can discuss that on the webinar on Friday. I am looking forward to that.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cheers,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Gonzalo</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Chair - ISOC Board of Trustees</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1.5pt;border-left-color:blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><p><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Eduardo Diaz <<a href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</span></a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 24, 2020 04:22<br><b>To:</b> Gonzalo Camarillo <<a href="mailto:gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com</span></a>>; Kevin Craemer <<a href="mailto:Craemer@isoc.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Craemer@isoc.org</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Chapters AC Elist <<a href="mailto:ChaptersAC-SC@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ChaptersAC-SC@elists.isoc.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> ChAC-SC Advice notice</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Distinguished Members of the Board:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">The Chapter Advisory Council Steering Committee (ChAC-SC) is submitting the following advice for your consideration:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><ol start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Advice 2020.02.13-01 :: </span><u><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/amwx365bl2w38gh3laxneo2pv1q4w1jy" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">The sale of PIR to Ethos Capital should not proceed unless a number of conditions are met.</span></a></span></u><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Advice 2020.02.13-02 :: </span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/3gey7i3gbqomurwfhhuvxqq49ms0hwm3" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ISOC constituencies must be consulted</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Advice 2020.02.13-03 :: </span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/fhl9ako4i1a4m2ivxuaez42y4vapeoyb" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Changes to ISOC’s Bylaws to strengthen Advisory Councils and Chapters</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol><div><p><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">The Full Chapter Advisory Council (Full ChAC) approved all Advice by unanimous consensus. No objections were received by the set deadline.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Please note that Advice #1 is based on information available as of 10 February 2020.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Thank you for the opportunity to work with you to make ISOC a better organization.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Eduardo Díaz</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Chair</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">ChAC-SC</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">_______________________________________________<br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):<br></span><a href="https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:purple">https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: </span><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:purple">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):<br><a href="https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login" target="_blank">https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login</a><br>View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapter Portal (AMS):<br><a href="https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login" target="_blank">https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login</a><br>View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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