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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">as input to
the discussion find below my previous take on the subject from
June last year (goals, design criteria etc.):</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><b>tltr</b>:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">minimum
required functionality;<br>
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<ol>
<li>the chapter sends a list of all ISOC-IDs of its members to
AMS about four times a year. <br>
</li>
<li>AMS reads the list and tags every ID on the list as "is
member of chapter ...". <br>
</li>
<li>Every ID that has a "is member of chapter ..." tag but is
not on the list will have the tag removed.</li>
<li>All chapters applicants older than 30 days and not in the
list of members sent by the chapter are removed automatically<br>
</li>
<li>AMS and local systems are in sync.</li>
</ol>
<p>more sensible (but - only a bit - more complex to implement):</p>
<ol>
<li>there is an chapter admin api that provides an equivalent
for every authorized type or point and click operation on the
AMS database<br>
</li>
<li>there is a function to extract chapter related infos (e.g.
list of members, applicants ...) as csv tables from the AMS
database. (To check: list of ISOC members in chapter's region
for recruiting purposes??? Any privacy issues???)<br>
</li>
<li>each human readable communication (e.g. "Please Review Your
New Chapter Membership Application") comes with a machine
readable equivalent (e.g. csv) that allows for automatic
processing. (would allow me to dump my mail scraper that
processes "New Chapter Membership Application"s.)</li>
</ol>
<p>Rational: many chapters maintain their own database. Be it to
meet legal requirements (privacy, other legislation) or to
implement functionality not provided by AMS. The functionality
outlined above would allow for keeping these databases in sync
with AMS with reasonable effort.<br>
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<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Klaus<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><b><span style="color:windowtext">[Re:
[Chapter-delegates] Problems with new membership system -
lets remove the dust 14.06.19, 20:17 +0200]</span></b><b><span
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<p>now that the dust has settled an covers the floor half a
meter high a few thoughts on the AMS ...</p>
<p>I wonder what the design goals for the new system were wrt
support of groups within ISOC like e.g. chapters. Especially
for groups that have a lot of volunteers doing the work the
system should work for them and not require that they work for
the system. In general there might be two main approaches one
could take:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>Approach 1:</b><br>
</p>
<p>AMS is able to support most of the admin work of a chapter.
If the support is at least nearly as good as an eventually
existing local chapter admin system, it can substitute it.</p>
<p><b>Approach 2:</b></p>
<p>AMS is mainly tailored for ISOC.ORG requirements and AMS
offers chapters and groups an interface to feed required
membership data into AMS (while respecting their local
privacy legislation).</p>
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<p>To be fair: <b>approach 1</b> is hard to implement. Too many
different needs around. E.g. a few of features I'm using
today: four membership classes, automatic members fee
invoicing, payment tracking, automatic fee reminder system,
online fee account information for every member,
semi-automatic processing of direct debits, automatic
processing of New Chapter Membership Applications (sending an
information mail about chapter work, chapter charter and fee
requirements to the applicant, provide her with a form where
she can apply - if she still thinks she should), WEB based
archive for meeting notes, selective members mailings, ...,
Other chapters may have other requirements and other features
in their admin systems. So a one size fits all would rather
not be feasible. <br>
</p>
<p>I would agree that some chapters, who don't have an admin
system in place, might welcome AMS as kind of a "better than
nothing" solution. But even for those AMS should respect at
least a few usability principles.</p>
<p>So what about <b>approach 2</b>? Here my very easy and
simple solution (KISS design) - which should work at least for
those many chapters who have a working local admin system in
place. Assertion: every chapter keeps record of their members'
ISOC-IDs: <br>
</p>
<ol>
<li>the chapter sends a list of all ISOC-IDs of its members to
AMS twice to four times a year. <br>
</li>
<li>AMS reads the list and tags every ID on the list as "is
member of chapter ...". <br>
</li>
<li>Every ID that has a "is member of chapter ..." tag but is
not on the list will have the tag removed.</li>
<li>AMS and local systems are in sync.<br>
</li>
</ol>
Advantages:
<ul>
<li>it is dumb simple to implement (takes 15min max for an
average DB system) - well, may be 2hrs with a web upload
interface.<br>
</li>
<li>can be automated on both sides (ISOC and chapter) -
preventing errors</li>
<li>a list of possible errors (e.g. invalid ISOC ID) can
easily be generated and can be treated manually <br>
</li>
<li>only chapters can tell who is their member and this is an
easy way to let ISOC know</li>
<li>will probably comply with all local privacy regulations -
since no private data is exchanged<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>There might be cases were chapters don't have the ISOC-ID of
a member. In this case they are trapped - even today. Since
AMS wouldn't allow them to figure out if Alice is a ISOC
member and what's her ISOC-ID. If this isn't changed it would
require some manual work on side of ISOC anyhow. (Not being an
AMS aficionado, I wonder if my assumption wrt to this case is
right.)<br>
</p>
Did I miss something? If so I'd be happy to learn. But let me be
clear: as long as things are as they are today I'll stay "hands
off AMS". I'm not insane enough to invest hours and hours of
manual work over and over again - threatened by poorly designed
interfaces and lame response times - to do things that the
computer could do easily, better and faster without much
implementation effort. If anybody would direct me to do so I
would rather quit my job. </blockquote>
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common challenges
with the Chapter
Portal (MemberNova)
are globally to then
explore solutions
going forward.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Vorstand mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Klaus Birkenbihl<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Internet Society German Chapter (ISOC.DE) e.V.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>c/o ict-Media GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
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