<div dir="auto">I agree with Franca, silence is not consent. Our chapter, in my view, does not have resources to engage and respond thus the silence.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind Regards.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 27 Feb 2020, 10:37 Franca Palazzo via Chapter-delegates, <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I do not agree that silence is consent. </div>
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The Canadian Chapter does not necessarily agree with this submission in its entirety.</div>
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I asked for further discussion and was immediately pounced on. </div>
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Our chapter should not be associated as agreeing with these recommendations. </div>
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We dont have the time nor the resources to properly engage on this. </div>
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I had not realized we could call for a vote. It would seem to me that this should have been done. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 7:00:45 PM<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I disagree with your inference below. The consensus call clearly indicated that lack of opposition (silence) would indicate approval. That’s not an unusual
way to seek approval, it it is used in many circumstances. And it is the method foreseen in the ChAC’s operating rules.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So, if we believe in rules and procedures, then we must accept that the advice represents the consensus of the Chapters.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John More via Chapter-delegates<br>
<b>Sent:</b> mercredi, 26. février 2020 15:30<br>
<b>To:</b> Gonzalo Camarillo<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Chapters AC Elist; Chapter Delegates<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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that still seems to be a challenge. Per the thread below, where you seem to have discussed this advice, around 80 to 85% of our 124 chapters did not participate in the discussions or express any opinion on the advice at all:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">With the above in mind, it is unfortunately inappropriate to say that this advice was approved by *unanimous* consensus since most of the community did not even participate
in the discussions (after receiving your advice, several people from different chapters indeed told me they had actually not noticed the discussions on the advice at all). Therefore, I am cc'ing the 'Chapter Delegates' mailing list on this email so that as
many people as possible from our community are aware of these advice and our upcoming response.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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that on the webinar on Friday. I am looking forward to that.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, February 24, 2020 04:22<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>Gonzalo Camarillo <<a href="mailto:gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com</span></a>>; Kevin Craemer
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<b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Chapters AC Elist <<a href="mailto:ChaptersAC-SC@elists.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ChaptersAC-SC@elists.isoc.org</span></a>><br>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#222222">Advice 2020.02.13-01 ::<span> </span></span><u><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/amwx365bl2w38gh3laxneo2pv1q4w1jy" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">The
sale of PIR to Ethos Capital should not proceed unless a number of conditions are met.</span></a></span></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></li><li style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#222222">Advice 2020.02.13-02 ::<span> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/3gey7i3gbqomurwfhhuvxqq49ms0hwm3" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ISOC
constituencies must be consulted</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></li><li style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#222222">Advice 2020.02.13-03 ::<span> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/fhl9ako4i1a4m2ivxuaez42y4vapeoyb" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Changes
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