<div dir="auto"><div>Dear Alejandro,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:55 AM Alejandro Pisanty <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com">apisanty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>thanks fof this analysis and fufther disclosure. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A fine point: Was there anything concealed that needed a 'disclosure' ? What I wrote again was an elaboration. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A more general thought: Internet Society is more than one focused only on Internet Technical matters.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Seeing this constructively, we should be builiding a parallel proposal led by ISOC along the lines of "Infusing technical understanding into Internet governance and related policy- and decision-making", partnering with principals from the IETF, IEEE, W3C, ACM, etc., globally, and with organizations like learned societies at the national level; some of these are chapters of the IEEE, others are universities, associations of engineers, of computer scientists, of software developers; in the private sector we have start-ups, OG's like NANOG. Further interest would apply to ARIN, LACNIC, RIPE, AFRINIC and APNIC.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Any takers? we have a few hours I think!</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:52 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">6.internet@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dear Alejandro,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 2:56 AM Alejandro Pisanty <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">apisanty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">To make this ISOC-specific,</div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No. That is not the idea.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"> is civil society doing enough to stay technically informed, to help other stakeholders technically informed, and on vigilance that policy, regulations, legislation, and decisions are made on a technically sound basis compatible with the Internet and its effects on the conduct of people and organizations?</div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Good questions. But the proposal is submitted with a Civil Society hat, for the good of Civil Society, which at the moment happens to be dispersed between various email lists discussing Internet Governance. The question "Is the Civil Society doing enough" is addressed to the Civil Society, somewhat accusatively with a purpose, with a view to prompt discussions of its essential role around the multi-stakeholder table.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, what "balance" exactly is the cause of concern, if not the above, for the Internet Society?<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The imbalances implied are a cause of concern for everyone in a deeper sense, but to Civil Society in particular, at this moment. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">An undisadvataged Civil Society as a stakeholder group would actually be of complementary value to the pursuits of the Internet (Technical) Community.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Proposed primarily in the Internet Governance Caucus list, simultaneously shared with the Best Bits list, and with APC, thereafter shared with ISOC as a topic of possible interest to some of the Internet Society Chapters and members.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Alejandro Pisanty</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El dom., 14 de abr. de 2019 14:33, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">6.internet@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote">Shared in the Chapter Delegates list, as a workshop proposal (in progress) that may be of interest to Chapter members with an interest in Civil Society positions. I wish to request suggestions for participation in the panel of this workshop being proposed.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Thank you.<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>With a few hours remaining for submission of the 2019 workshops, I intend to propose a workshop. Looking for support, some quick suggestions to improve the text, and more importantly, for suggestions of speakers who have a good understanding of the history of Civil Society in IG.</div><div><br></div><div>Kindly respond ASAP.</div><div><br></div><div>title </div><div>"Is the Civil Society doing enough?" </div><div>policy question </div><div>"Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy positions?"</div><div>relevance to the theme: </div><div>Though proposed under "Digital Inclusion", it is a workshop across the three themes, and of relevance to the overall design of the multi-stakeholder model of Internet Governance. </div><div>relevance to Internet Governance: </div><div>When broadly classified, Civil Society is one of the three stakeholders in Internet Governance. Since WSIS 2005, Civil Society has played a constructive role to bring about a balance in Internet Governance debates. However, a certain degree of imbalance persists as the other stakeholder groups tend to steer policy a little more than proportionately towards their own respective positions. Governments around the world draft legislative directives some of which the Civil Society find undesirable. In some instances, Civil Society positions remarkably differed from that of Government, the proposed Acts such as SOPA or PIPA or Directives were withdrawn, only to be reintroduced and confirmed by some other title or form. Business responds to Civil Society positions, for instance, on Privacy issues, but many of the concerns of Civil Society are not adequately addressed. It could be stated that the other stakeholder groups prevail more than proportionately over Civil Society, in matters related to Internet Governance. This prompts the question, "Is the Civil Society participating enough? Is the Civil Society doing enough?" If not enough, what needs to be done? In Internet Governance, the formal title as "Civil Society" is shared by a somewhat loose collaboration between Internet Governance participants who took up the Civil Society role since WSIS 2005, other early CS participants in the IGF, organizations that pursue issues in public interest including Privacy organizations, Freedom foundations etc, and also organizations such as some Internet Society Chapters, ICANN AtLarge, ICANN Non Commercial Stakeholder Group etc, who partake in Civil Society positions in their own way. If the Civil society is not doing enough, is it because it requires greater interaction among those who pursue Civil Society positions in the IGF? How would Civil Society strengthen itself? Would it also look for Civil Society participation from beyond the IGF arena to bring in newer Civil Society participants to the IGF?</div><div><br></div><div>These are some, and not all, questions that follow the questions in the title. </div><div><br></div><div>Workshop session description:</div><div>The session would revolve around the Title Questions, "Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy positions?" to bring up supplementary questions, and in the process identify its strengths and weaknesses to identify solutions towards strengthening itself for a balance. <br></div><div><br></div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_-4449026735220705708gmail-m_-658089324892424245m_8863484364779589641m_-1917303061659939072m_3401347787756001696gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Sivasubramanian M</a><div><a href="http://twitter.com/shivaindia" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">twitter.com/shivaindia</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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