<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>For <a href="http://isoc.fr">isoc.fr</a> and our other websites, we use Matomo Cloud for our statistics and we turn on the anonymisation of the IP address.</div><div>For the cookie policy, we use Cookiebot : it activates a complete cookie pop-in and creates a complete cookie policy.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Nico</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 7 févr. 2019 à 16:51, Christian de Larrinaga <<a href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net">cdel@firsthand.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I've setup Piwik now Matamo for a number of websites and web apps. It<br>
also has a WordPress plugin which I have also used.<br>
<br>
The fact I can self host and manage the setup and analytics for many<br>
sites and services is a big plus in the sense of control. If you don't<br>
want to run your own then that might be a minus. The data though is<br>
one's own and that means it is very straightforward proposition from a<br>
privacy point of view. You can get the analysis and not share it at all<br>
with third parties because none are in the loop.<br>
<br>
I've had one or two moments of instability but nothing that hasn't been<br>
fairly straightforward to fix.<br>
<br>
Recommend you look at it. <br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
<br>
Dan York wrote:<br>
> Klaus,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for writing about our privacy policy and consent banner that<br>
> are displayed on our main <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.internetsociety.org</a><br>
> <<a href="http://www.internetsociety.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.org</a>> site. Given that this falls into my<br>
> area of responsibility, I’ll comment inline.<br>
><br>
>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 6:11 AM, <a href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de" target="_blank">Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de" target="_blank">Klaus.Birkenbihl@isoc.de</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> when landing on <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/</a> we find the<br>
>> ubiquitous and annoying lie "We care about your privacy and strive to<br>
>> limit our use of cookies to those that help improve our site and keep<br>
>> it relevant ...". Frankly this makes me wonder if we - as the<br>
>> "Internet Society" should not be in the position to do it better.<br>
>><br>
> DY> We can always do better.<br>
>><br>
>> If you don't click on the only available Button "Close and Accept"<br>
>> but find the small print link see our Cookie Policy<br>
>> <<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/privacy-policy/cookie-policy/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/privacy-policy/cookie-policy/</a>> you<br>
>> will see what I'd call ISOC's remorse. It is a fair and<br>
>> understandable lesson on what cookies do, the role of third parties<br>
>> etc, there are links to tutorials on how to disable cookies, links to<br>
>> add-ons that block cookies that some Internet Society staff recommend<br>
>> <<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/01/lazy-persons-guide-better-online-privacy/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/01/lazy-persons-guide-better-online-privacy/</a>>.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> DY> Thanks. We tried to make that page useful to people.<br>
>><br>
>> (Btw. even the cookies policy page doesn't mention all sites that<br>
>> potentially could track visitors of the ISOC Website. Looking into<br>
>> the page source one can find that e.g. also <a href="http://fontawesome.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">fontawesome.com</a><br>
>> <<a href="http://fontawesome.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://fontawesome.com/</a>> will notice and collect data about your<br>
>> visit at <a href="http://internetsociety.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">internetsociety.org</a> <<a href="http://internetsociety.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://internetsociety.org/</a>> according<br>
>> to their privacy statement).<br>
>><br>
> DY> Hmm… thank you for raising that. I thought we had eliminated that<br>
> fontawesome tracker back in early 2018 by moving the icons/social<br>
> logos directly into our site so we weren’t pulling them from the FA<br>
> site. I need to look and see what changed to bring that back, and how<br>
> we can get it removed.<br>
><br>
> DY> We spent many long hours using Privacy Badger, Ghostery, and other<br>
> similar tools (as well as page source code) across Internet Society<br>
> websites to try to eliminate or minimize as many trackers as possible.<br>
> I have a half-written blog post explaining to the community all the<br>
> challenges with finding and killing off trackers on complex websites,<br>
> and in keeping them off - I need to finish that post up and publish it.<br>
><br>
> DY> In an interesting bit of synchronicity with the timing of your<br>
> message, I was supposed to present last night on "How does the GDPR<br>
> affect your WordPress website?” at my local WordPress user group in<br>
> Burlington, Vermont. I was going to talk about what I’ve learned (as a<br>
> non-lawyer) about privacy and WordPress websites - and I was planning<br>
> to record the session and share it online. Unfortunately, we had an<br>
> ice storm and that got canceled. But I’d be glad to offer a discussion<br>
> like that via a zoom call sometime if people here are interested. It’s<br>
> quite challenging with today’s complex websites (but at the same time,<br>
> I have zero interest in returning to days when I hand-coded all my<br>
> sites in raw HTML!)<br>
>><br>
>> 96.7% of all users who land on <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/</a> will<br>
>> click on [the yet another] "Close and accept" button and exactly this<br>
>> is obviously the intention of the cookies banner.<br>
>><br>
> DY> Yes, there’s an ongoing discussion in the wider web<br>
> developer/publisher community about “consent banner fatigue” and<br>
> whether these banners are actually serving any purpose.<br>
>><br>
>> Personally I think we could gain credibility and attention if we<br>
>> would abstain from the default feeding of Google and others<br>
>> collecting our data. Our cookies banner - if any - should look like<br>
>> this: <br>
>> "We care about your privacy do not forward any personal data to any<br>
>> third parties. To learn more about how to easily protect your privacy<br>
>> on the Internet read this article.<br>
>> <<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/01/lazy-persons-guide-better-online-privacy/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/01/lazy-persons-guide-better-online-privacy/</a>>". <br>
>><br>
>> You asume this insane, technically not feasible? I just did a short<br>
>> check of two other .org-Websites that (at least) seem to care and do<br>
>> better. <a href="https://www.w3.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/</a> and <a href="https://www.eff.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/</a> seem to avoid<br>
>> forwarding of data to third parties. I personally would like to see<br>
>> ISOC think about a "privacy by default" policy.<br>
>><br>
> DY> I hear you. We’re always looking at what tools are out there and<br>
> seeking ways to work better. We have very real business needs to<br>
> understand how best to use our resources and finances to reach new<br>
> audiences and advance the mission and activities of the Internet<br>
> Society. Website analytics play a critical role in that as they help<br>
> us understand what kind of return we are getting on our investment of<br>
> time, energy, and money - and also how we can potentially make our<br>
> information available to even more people. They help guide us in<br>
> keeping our content relevant and understanding how people are reading<br>
> and sharing our messages. We’ve used Google Analytics (GA) for many<br>
> years as that has been one of the best and most effective tools for<br>
> helping us understand. And in our use of GA, we’ve spent a great bit<br>
> of time going through all the settings to reduce it to collecting the<br>
> most basic information possible.<br>
><br>
> DY> But we’ve also been exploring other options. I’ve spent time<br>
> looking at what Automattic offers through its WordPress Statistics<br>
> (and we’ve enabled it on a couple of sites to test). I’ve also been<br>
> exploring what Matamo (formerly Piwik) can do and am looking at<br>
> potentially trialling that service this year on a site. *I would<br>
> definitely welcome feedback from anyone who has used these services<br>
> (or others) and what your experience has been. *One of my goals for I<br>
> and my team this year is to audit all of our sites with regard to what<br>
> we can do better with regard to privacy.<br>
><br>
> DY> Thanks again for the feedback. I welcome it - and would always be<br>
> glad to get on a call (zoom, phone or otherwise) to talk about this<br>
> with anyone,<br>
><br>
> Dan<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Dan York<br>
> Director of Web Strategy, Internet Society<br>
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