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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/12/2018 19:22, John More wrote:<br>
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<div class="">ISOC’s wealth of funding, which allows it to avoid
the hard work of individual fundraising = contacting and
soliciting, is actually a negative for creating an effective and
engaged membership.</div>
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<p>- Sure, but again we have to be careful with messaging here and
making sure that the separation/relationship between ISOC and the
Chapters is clear. <br>
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<p>If ISOC is contacting Chapter members asking for donations (which
was done last year) and Chapters are also asking them for
donations, things may appear a bit disjointed. <br>
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<p>As noted on this mailing list at the time, I was not in support
of ISOC soliciting donations from members of my Chapter as I am of
the opinion that if members are going to donate, they should
donate to their local Chapter. I still stand by this because as
you note, ISOC has a wealth of funding and really doesn't need
that $50 that someone might throw their way. <br>
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<div class="">Further, receiving multiple communications from ISOC
and the Chapters may be bothersome, but if the communications
have a different purpose and are clearly indicated as to the
source.</div>
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<p>- Agreed. I wonder if perhaps the Chapter logo identities are now
too similar to the ISOC identity for people to really be able to
instantly identify the source. <br>
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<div class=""> Planned Parenthood and other activist groups have
multiple layers of communications. It creates an more engaged
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<p>- I'm not sure I'd class ISOC as an activist group though! <br>
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<p>As a communications professional, I'd be interested to understand
more about what you mean by multiple layers of communications (off
list to spare everyone's inbox and sanity ;) ). <br>
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<p>Cheers, <br>
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<p>Susannah <br>
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Susannah Gray<br>
President <br>
San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sfbayisoc.org">www.sfbayisoc.org</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/12/2018 02:26, John
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<div class="">Much of what you say is correct. Even
while working to strengthen the Chapter structure
and bringing more accountability, I have always
taken the position that ISOC should not claim to be
a “membership” organization in that it has never
done anything to create an effective, connected
membership. I have been a member for years. I have
even given made the $75 contribution. Nothing. No
regular communications are sent from ISOC, only from
the Chapter. There is no solicitation of donations,
there are no calls to action, there are virtually no
communications unless you sign onto a specific
e-list of project.</div>
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- I agree that communication from ISOC could be
improved. However, I do not feel that ISOC should be
sending out more communication to members as care needs
to be taken to avoid confusion and mixed messages as
people are already unsure of the split between ISOC and
the Chapters. <br class="">
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All that says is that ISOC needs to do a better job
communicating those differences — in part by underlining what
ISOC does and what its relationship with the 40,000 members
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<div class="">Sharp contrast with international
organizations, like Greenpeace, Amnesty
International, or Human Rights Watch.</div>
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<p class="">- Greenpeace is fully funded by individuals
(it does not accept donations from corporations) so it
needs to maintain a constant dialogue with its
members, which is not the case with ISOC. </p>
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But that is the whole point. ISOC does need to communicate
better with its members. Otherwise why does it list them as
organizing tools. Should say ISOC has 40,000 members,
_______? of whom are engaged through Chapters, but most of
whom are just names.</div>
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<div class="">A friend who had been with the
Physicians for Social Responsibility came out of
retirement to lead The Rachel Carson Council. He
has re-energized and increased the membership by
soliciting, sending newsletters, asking for
activism, creating intern training programs and
college campus councils — all to engage in
environmental justice activism.</div>
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<p class="">- The San Francisco Bay Area ISOC Chapter
sends out newsletters every couple of weeks (using
MailerLite) to its members and updates its website
regularly with snippets of news - it's not a hard/time
consuming task. The AMS is not the best tool for this
but it does the job and it is free for all the
Chapters. <br class="">
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<p class="">I think rather than ISOC upping its
communication to the general membership it might need
to direct/assist Chapter leaders more with their
communications needs. While I wholeheartedly support
the bottom up, multistakeholder ethos, I believe some
general direction is needed by many of the Chapters in
terms of the kind of general Internet-related news and
issues they should be informing their members about
and the tools that can help them do it.<br class="">
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<p class="">Thanks, <br class="">
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<p class="">Susannah <br class="">
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President <br class="">
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<div class="">ISOC needs more this. And it does not
require hiring consultants.</div>
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<div class="">The only caveat I have with what you say
is that you love broadsides and are rarely willing
to admit where things are happening.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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that ISOC's membership should not have
been claimed we had 110,000 members.</div>
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prominently on our home page, however. </b>Those
closely involved in ISOC always knew it
was inaccurate, but refused to take it off
the home page even after it was brought up
and discussed at the top. ISOC used the
claim in advocacy. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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ms,sans-serif">The home page also said
ISOC was "a trusted source." Trust needs
to be earned, not claimed.</div>
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ms,sans-serif">All of us want to be proud
of what ISOC is accomplishing. We share
the powerful human trait of "confirmation
bias." It is very hard for anyone to
listen to what disagrees with one's own
beliefs, including that a group we are
part of is to be admired. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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ms,sans-serif">ISOC, almost all of us
agree, can and should be doing more to
bring a great Internet to everyone. (We
disagree on how to do that, of course.) </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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ms,sans-serif">To be effective, we need to
look honestly at what we are doing. In
practice, those raising problems were
told, "you're shouldn't be so negative,"
often attacked and shot down. </div>
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ms,sans-serif">I'm still here, because I
believe ISOC, with a $30M/year subsidy
from .org, has the potential to be the
most powerful <u class="">pro-consumer</u> force
on the net. But I've watched for several
years as those who agreed, and supported
issues like more chapter funding got
burned out and left. </div>
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ms,sans-serif">I knew Kathy for years as
one of the most progressive in D.C.
circles and expected her to do much more.
I know several of the board members to be
hardworking, articulate, concerned, and of
good faith. I know the same is true of
Andrew. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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ms,sans-serif">Can we be honest with
ourselves and do better? 75% of the
Internet is not in the U.S., Western
Europe, and allies. China alone is 40% and
their achievements remarkable. (344M have
fiber home connections.) I am not naive
about the Chinese government, but we can
never be truly effective organizing the
Internet without including them, as well
as the many others not well-represented
here.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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wrong that we now have </div>
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smaller list of confirmed and clearly
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ms",sans-serif">I wish that were
true. But I know in New York the
majority of our "members" are nothing
more than people who have agreed to be
on a mailing list. I don't think we've
had a meeting with even 75 of our
"2,500" members in at least the last 5
years. The maximum number of people who
have done <i class="">anything at all</i>
is perhaps 400, and very few of them are
"clearly engaged." </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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and many others are working to improve.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">(Who would much
rather be discussing the right radios
for rural Africa or the unhyped
prospects of 5G, rather than wasting
time in what should be unneeded
organizational problems. If we become
the "bottom-up multi-stakeholder
organization" Kathy wanted us to be, we
would be doing a much better job
delivering what we all believe in.)</div>
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