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    <p>Hi Shuli, <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/12/2018 15:22, Shuli Hallak
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      John,
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      <div class="">Well said. </div>
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      <div class="">I would add that creating and maintaining chapter
        support from the top is a delicate balance but based on my
        experience here I would suggest empowering chapters with
        efficient tools. Maybe some of these already exist and we / I
        don’t know about them. <br>
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    - My point exactly: it seems there is a bit of a communication flow
    issue from ISOC to the Chapters (and vice versa).<br>
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      <div class="">Such as:</div>
      <div class="">— website templates (Wordpress or other)</div>
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    - ISOC NL created templates that can be used by any chapter.<br>
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      <div class="">— newsletter templates</div>
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    - Each Chapter has its own logo template on the AMS. <br>
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      <div class="">— box accounts</div>
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    - I think there is an ISOC Box account.<br>
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      <div class="">— zoom accounts</div>
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    - I think some of the regional bureaus have an account that Chapters
    can use. <br>
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      <div class="">— event training</div>
      <div class="">— legal document templates (if possible)</div>
      <div class="">— guidance on creating membership tiers if chapters
        would like two create paid memberships </div>
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      <div class="">etc.</div>
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      <div class="">The idea being not to re-invent the wheel if we
        don’t have to and to help chapters continue helping themselves</div>
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    <p>Thanks, <br>
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    <p>Susannah <br>
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    <p>Susannah Gray<br>
      President <br>
      San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sfbayisoc.org">www.sfbayisoc.org</a><br>
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      <div class="">Shuli</div>
      <div class="">(NY Chapter)</div>
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            <div class="">On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:26 PM, John More <<a
                href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" class=""
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                <div class="">Much of what you say is correct. Even
                  while working to strengthen the Chapter structure and
                  bringing more accountability, I have always taken the
                  position that ISOC should not claim to be a
                  “membership” organization in that it has never done
                  anything to create an effective, connected membership.
                  I have been a member for years.  I have even given
                  made the $75 contribution.  Nothing.  No regular
                  communications are sent from ISOC, only from the
                  Chapter.  There is no solicitation of donations, there
                  are no calls to action, there are virtually no
                  communications unless you sign onto a specific e-list
                  of project.</div>
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                <div class="">Sharp contrast with international
                  organizations, like Greenpeace, Amnesty International,
                  or Human Rights Watch.</div>
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                <div class="">A friend who had been with the Physicians
                  for Social Responsibility came out of retirement to
                  lead The Rachel Carson Council.  He has re-energized
                  and increased the membership by soliciting, sending
                  newsletters, asking for activism, creating intern
                  training programs and college campus councils — all to
                  engage in environmental justice activism.</div>
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                <div class="">ISOC needs more this.  And it does not
                  require hiring consultants.</div>
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                <div class="">The only caveat I have with what you say
                  is that you love broadsides and are rarely willing to
                  admit where things are happening.</div>
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                <div class="">But your point is well taken.</div>
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                <div class="">John More</div>
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                      <div class="">On Dec 11, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Dave
                        Burstein <<a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com"
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                        wrote:</div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">All</div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Andrew
                            notes, accurately, that ISOC's membership
                            should not have been claimed we had 110,000
                            members.</div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><b
                              class="">The figure was prominently on our
                              home page, however. </b>Those closely
                            involved in ISOC always knew it was
                            inaccurate, but refused to take it off the
                            home page even after it was brought up and
                            discussed at the top. ISOC used the claim in
                            advocacy. </div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">The
                            home page also said ISOC was "a trusted
                            source." Trust needs to be earned, not
                            claimed.</div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">All
                            of us want to be proud of what ISOC is
                            accomplishing. We share the powerful human
                            trait of "confirmation bias." It is very
                            hard for anyone to listen to what disagrees
                            with one's own beliefs, including that a
                            group we are part of is to be admired. </div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">ISOC,
                            almost all of us agree, can and should be
                            doing more to bring a great Internet to
                            everyone. (We disagree on how to do that, of
                            course.) </div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">To
                            be effective, we need to look honestly at
                            what we are doing. In practice, those
                            raising problems were told, "you're
                            shouldn't be so negative," often attacked
                            and shot down. </div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I'm
                            still here, because I believe ISOC, with a
                            $30M/year subsidy from .org, has the
                            potential to be the most powerful <u
                              class="">pro-consumer</u> force on the
                            net. But I've watched for several years as
                            those who agreed, and supported issues like
                            more chapter funding got burned out and
                            left. </div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I
                            knew Kathy for years as one of the most
                            progressive in D.C. circles and expected her
                            to do much more. I know several of the board
                            members to be hardworking, articulate,
                            concerned, and of good faith. I know the
                            same is true of Andrew. </div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Can
                            we be honest with ourselves and do better?
                            75% of the Internet is not in the U.S.,
                            Western Europe, and allies. China alone is
                            40% and their achievements remarkable. (344M
                            have fiber home connections.) I am not naive
                            about the Chinese government, but we can
                            never be truly effective organizing the
                            Internet without including them, as well as
                            the many others not well-represented here.</div>
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                            style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Unfortunately,
                            Andrew is wrong that we now have </div>
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                              smaller list of confirmed and clearly
                              engaged members.  <br class="">
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                              true. But I know in New York the majority
                              of our "members" are nothing more than
                              people who have agreed to be on a mailing
                              list. I don't think we've had a meeting
                              with even 75 of our "2,500" members in at
                              least the last 5 years. The maximum number
                              of people who have done <i class="">anything
                                at all</i> is perhaps 400, and very few
                              of them are "clearly engaged." </div>
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                              style="font-family:"trebuchet
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                              many others are working to improve.</div>
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                              rather be discussing the right radios for
                              rural Africa or the unhyped prospects of
                              5G, rather than wasting time in what
                              should be unneeded organizational
                              problems. If we become the "bottom-up
                              multi-stakeholder organization" Kathy
                              wanted us to be, we would be doing a much
                              better job delivering what we all believe
                              in.)</div>
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