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<p>Hi Shuli, <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/12/2018 15:22, Shuli Hallak
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John,
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<div class="">Well said. </div>
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<div class="">I would add that creating and maintaining chapter
support from the top is a delicate balance but based on my
experience here I would suggest empowering chapters with
efficient tools. Maybe some of these already exist and we / I
don’t know about them. <br>
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- My point exactly: it seems there is a bit of a communication flow
issue from ISOC to the Chapters (and vice versa).<br>
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<div class="">Such as:</div>
<div class="">— website templates (Wordpress or other)</div>
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- ISOC NL created templates that can be used by any chapter.<br>
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<div class="">— newsletter templates</div>
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- Each Chapter has its own logo template on the AMS. <br>
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<div class="">— box accounts</div>
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- I think there is an ISOC Box account.<br>
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<div class="">— zoom accounts</div>
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- I think some of the regional bureaus have an account that Chapters
can use. <br>
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<div class="">— event training</div>
<div class="">— legal document templates (if possible)</div>
<div class="">— guidance on creating membership tiers if chapters
would like two create paid memberships </div>
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<div class="">The idea being not to re-invent the wheel if we
don’t have to and to help chapters continue helping themselves</div>
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<p>Thanks, <br>
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<p>Susannah <br>
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<p>Susannah Gray<br>
President <br>
San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sfbayisoc.org">www.sfbayisoc.org</a><br>
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<div class="">Shuli</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:26 PM, John More <<a
href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">morej1@mac.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Much of what you say is correct. Even
while working to strengthen the Chapter structure and
bringing more accountability, I have always taken the
position that ISOC should not claim to be a
“membership” organization in that it has never done
anything to create an effective, connected membership.
I have been a member for years. I have even given
made the $75 contribution. Nothing. No regular
communications are sent from ISOC, only from the
Chapter. There is no solicitation of donations, there
are no calls to action, there are virtually no
communications unless you sign onto a specific e-list
of project.</div>
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<div class="">Sharp contrast with international
organizations, like Greenpeace, Amnesty International,
or Human Rights Watch.</div>
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<div class="">A friend who had been with the Physicians
for Social Responsibility came out of retirement to
lead The Rachel Carson Council. He has re-energized
and increased the membership by soliciting, sending
newsletters, asking for activism, creating intern
training programs and college campus councils — all to
engage in environmental justice activism.</div>
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<div class="">ISOC needs more this. And it does not
require hiring consultants.</div>
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<div class="">The only caveat I have with what you say
is that you love broadsides and are rarely willing to
admit where things are happening.</div>
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<div class="">But your point is well taken.</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 11, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Dave
Burstein <<a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">daveb@dslprime.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">All</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Andrew
notes, accurately, that ISOC's membership
should not have been claimed we had 110,000
members.</div>
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class="">The figure was prominently on our
home page, however. </b>Those closely
involved in ISOC always knew it was
inaccurate, but refused to take it off the
home page even after it was brought up and
discussed at the top. ISOC used the claim in
advocacy. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">The
home page also said ISOC was "a trusted
source." Trust needs to be earned, not
claimed.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">All
of us want to be proud of what ISOC is
accomplishing. We share the powerful human
trait of "confirmation bias." It is very
hard for anyone to listen to what disagrees
with one's own beliefs, including that a
group we are part of is to be admired. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">ISOC,
almost all of us agree, can and should be
doing more to bring a great Internet to
everyone. (We disagree on how to do that, of
course.) </div>
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style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">To
be effective, we need to look honestly at
what we are doing. In practice, those
raising problems were told, "you're
shouldn't be so negative," often attacked
and shot down. </div>
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style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I'm
still here, because I believe ISOC, with a
$30M/year subsidy from .org, has the
potential to be the most powerful <u
class="">pro-consumer</u> force on the
net. But I've watched for several years as
those who agreed, and supported issues like
more chapter funding got burned out and
left. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
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style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I
knew Kathy for years as one of the most
progressive in D.C. circles and expected her
to do much more. I know several of the board
members to be hardworking, articulate,
concerned, and of good faith. I know the
same is true of Andrew. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Can
we be honest with ourselves and do better?
75% of the Internet is not in the U.S.,
Western Europe, and allies. China alone is
40% and their achievements remarkable. (344M
have fiber home connections.) I am not naive
about the Chinese government, but we can
never be truly effective organizing the
Internet without including them, as well as
the many others not well-represented here.</div>
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style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Unfortunately,
Andrew is wrong that we now have </div>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">an<span
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ms",sans-serif"> </span>admittedly
smaller list of confirmed and clearly
engaged members. <br class="">
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style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">I wish that were
true. But I know in New York the majority
of our "members" are nothing more than
people who have agreed to be on a mailing
list. I don't think we've had a meeting
with even 75 of our "2,500" members in at
least the last 5 years. The maximum number
of people who have done <i class="">anything
at all</i> is perhaps 400, and very few
of them are "clearly engaged." </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">Which I, Andrew, and
many others are working to improve.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">Dave</div>
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style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">(Who would much
rather be discussing the right radios for
rural Africa or the unhyped prospects of
5G, rather than wasting time in what
should be unneeded organizational
problems. If we become the "bottom-up
multi-stakeholder organization" Kathy
wanted us to be, we would be doing a much
better job delivering what we all believe
in.)</div>
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