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<p>Hi John, <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/12/2018 02:26, John More wrote:<br>
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Dave
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<div class="">Much of what you say is correct. Even while working
to strengthen the Chapter structure and bringing more
accountability, I have always taken the position that ISOC
should not claim to be a “membership” organization in that it
has never done anything to create an effective, connected
membership. I have been a member for years. I have even given
made the $75 contribution. Nothing. No regular communications
are sent from ISOC, only from the Chapter. There is no
solicitation of donations, there are no calls to action, there
are virtually no communications unless you sign onto a specific
e-list of project.</div>
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- I agree that communication from ISOC could be improved. However, I
do not feel that ISOC should be sending out more communication to
members as care needs to be taken to avoid confusion and mixed
messages as people are already unsure of the split between ISOC and
the Chapters. <br>
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<div class="">Sharp contrast with international organizations,
like Greenpeace, Amnesty International, or Human Rights Watch.</div>
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<p>- Greenpeace is fully funded by individuals (it does not accept
donations from corporations) so it needs to maintain a constant
dialogue with its members, which is not the case with ISOC. </p>
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<div class="">A friend who had been with the Physicians for Social
Responsibility came out of retirement to lead The Rachel Carson
Council. He has re-energized and increased the membership by
soliciting, sending newsletters, asking for activism, creating
intern training programs and college campus councils — all to
engage in environmental justice activism.</div>
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<p>- The San Francisco Bay Area ISOC Chapter sends out newsletters
every couple of weeks (using MailerLite) to its members and
updates its website regularly with snippets of news - it's not a
hard/time consuming task. The AMS is not the best tool for this
but it does the job and it is free for all the Chapters. <br>
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<p>I think rather than ISOC upping its communication to the general
membership it might need to direct/assist Chapter leaders more
with their communications needs. While I wholeheartedly support
the bottom up, multistakeholder ethos, I believe some general
direction is needed by many of the Chapters in terms of the kind
of general Internet-related news and issues they should be
informing their members about and the tools that can help them do
it.<br>
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<p>Thanks, <br>
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<p>Susannah <br>
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<p>—<br>
Susannah Gray<br>
President <br>
San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sfbayisoc.org">www.sfbayisoc.org</a><br>
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<div class="">ISOC needs more this. And it does not require
hiring consultants.</div>
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<div class="">The only caveat I have with what you say is that you
love broadsides and are rarely willing to admit where things are
happening.</div>
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<div class="">But your point is well taken.</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 11, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Dave Burstein
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moz-do-not-send="true">daveb@dslprime.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Andrew notes, accurately, that ISOC's
membership should not have been claimed we had 110,000
members.</div>
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ms,sans-serif"><b class="">The figure was prominently
on our home page, however. </b>Those closely
involved in ISOC always knew it was inaccurate, but
refused to take it off the home page even after it was
brought up and discussed at the top. ISOC used the
claim in advocacy. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">The home page also said ISOC was "a
trusted source." Trust needs to be earned, not
claimed.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">All of us want to be proud of what ISOC
is accomplishing. We share the powerful human trait of
"confirmation bias." It is very hard for anyone to
listen to what disagrees with one's own beliefs,
including that a group we are part of is to be
admired. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">ISOC, almost all of us agree, can and
should be doing more to bring a great Internet to
everyone. (We disagree on how to do that, of course.) </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">To be effective, we need to look
honestly at what we are doing. In practice, those
raising problems were told, "you're shouldn't be so
negative," often attacked and shot down. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">I'm still here, because I believe ISOC,
with a $30M/year subsidy from .org, has the potential
to be the most powerful <u class="">pro-consumer</u> force
on the net. But I've watched for several years as
those who agreed, and supported issues like more
chapter funding got burned out and left. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">I knew Kathy for years as one of the
most progressive in D.C. circles and expected her to
do much more. I know several of the board members to
be hardworking, articulate, concerned, and of good
faith. I know the same is true of Andrew. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Can we be honest with ourselves and do
better? 75% of the Internet is not in the U.S.,
Western Europe, and allies. China alone is 40% and
their achievements remarkable. (344M have fiber home
connections.) I am not naive about the Chinese
government, but we can never be truly effective
organizing the Internet without including them, as
well as the many others not well-represented here.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Unfortunately, Andrew is wrong that we
now have </div>
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list of confirmed and clearly engaged members. <br
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style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">I wish that were true. But I
know in New York the majority of our "members" are
nothing more than people who have agreed to be on a
mailing list. I don't think we've had a meeting with
even 75 of our "2,500" members in at least the last
5 years. The maximum number of people who have done
<i class="">anything at all</i> is perhaps 400, and
very few of them are "clearly engaged." </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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others are working to improve.</div>
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style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">(Who would much rather be
discussing the right radios for rural Africa or the
unhyped prospects of 5G, rather than wasting time in
what should be unneeded organizational problems. If
we become the "bottom-up multi-stakeholder
organization" Kathy wanted us to be, we would be
doing a much better job delivering what we all
believe in.)</div>
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