<div dir="auto">Hi all,<div dir="auto">Since it is my first time attending an ITU related conference in person as an ISOC fellow, a member of ISOC delegate. I could see the importance of ISOC engagement at the regional level in an earlier stage to be able to take an instrumental role in drafting the region position.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Trying to advocate at this stage, it does help in tuning the text while it is going through the drafting stages. However, as I could hear from some of the member state delegates that they are in disagreement of their region perspective and they try to make their point heard during the discussions.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What we as community can do now to strongly advocate with parntner sector members to push towards giving the sectors members an equal say. At the discussion on the "Internet document" there is a need to keep the proposed inclusion of sectors members engagement as part of the document which is under preperations.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best wishes,</div><div dir="auto">Nadira AL-Araj </div><div dir="auto">ISOC fellow to the PP18</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Nov 4, 2018, 07:41 Alejandro Pisanty <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">apisanty@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>it's happening, as reported in social media. Drafting by a huge committee, resolutions in the ITU Plenipotentiary that are out of scope for the organization, while all "sector members" (i.e. companies and operators) and organizations like ISOC have 1.5 rows of seats at the back of the room, without power outlets. See this figure:</div><div><br></div><div><div><img src="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=1ff0faebea&attid=0.1&th=166dd58b1fcacdf9&view=fimg&rm=166dd58b1fcacdf9&sz=w1600-h1000&attbid=ANGjdJ_sSE59nXdT8aQCrWBHYL7pCelIptgoku6zv7O1E9fnv-gLqeVyaG52FKH5O0_McYAON4BpV0jO5mDs9XEl3qfqnCJkDXcx_T3OESi0bMi4FNuQuodCySz4830&disp=emb&realattid=ii_jo2btli00&zw" alt="image.png" width="528" height="396"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Can we in ISOC Chapters promptly draft a petition to each of our governments, easy to translate into many languages, to demand that they vote to fullly retire this resolution? We certainly can do it without becoming subservient to the OTTs or any other private, for-profit interests, going instead against "mission creep" (an unjustifiable growth in scope of the ITU) and its negative effects on the Internet. What do other Chapter delegates think?</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:50 AM Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-7057949879955974177m_-4663028576294432142m_1951823811092515356m_-7802767181849904759WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please see below.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>Thanks and best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Richard<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Alejandro Pisanty [mailto:<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">apisanty@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 16, 2018 18:32<br><b>To:</b> Richard Hill<br><b>Cc:</b> Elizabeth Oluoch; ISOC Chapter Delegates<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Call with Chapters in advance of the ITU Plenipotentiary 2018 (18 Oct, 10:00 and 20:00 UTC)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Richard,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">SNIP</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The first type of violation experienced in large ITU conferences is the schedule. There is an evident sigh when the first meeting after dinner is called. It goes from then on. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH: I’m not sure what you mean here. Perhaps the fact that, towards the end of conference, meetings are called at night? That’s actually a common feature of many intergovernmental negotiations, it is not just ITU. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The other type of egregious violation consists of suddenly superseding the supposedly tidy, long rules-compliant process of building up text for resolutions through national and regional preparatory processes to drafting and negotiating text on the fly. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH: That’s not a violation of the rules. On the contrary, it is exactly what is foreseen in the rules: written inputs are just that, inputs, and the output text is negotiated during meetings, taking into account not just the written inputs, but also the verbal comments from the people present at the meeting.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The third thing ISOC representatives attending the Plenipot should be wary of is of consultants who appear to be friendly to the Internet but are actually doing hack jobs for operators and governments; and sometimes both, as some operators are owned by governments or closely allied. This gets to the point of becoming a fifth column against the long-term evolution of a free, open Internet for all. Fortunately just watching who they sit with over sessions - in the middle of enfranchised participants, <span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH: many countries allow non-state actors to sit in national delegations.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">while ISOC is given one chair in the last table at the end of the room<span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH: indeed non-state participants are seated at the back of the room, behind the states whose name starts with the letter Z. But nothing prevents ISOC members from asking to be part of a national delegation, and indeed some people do that.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> - is enough to unmask them.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH: The fact that a person is sitting in a national delegation does not imply that the person holds any particular position. Further, most national delegations do not allow non-government people to speak, so such persons are in fact observers with fewer rights than the people sitting in the ISOC delegation, since the members of the ISOC delegation can ask to speak.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">SNIP<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="m_-7057949879955974177m_-4663028576294432142m_1951823811092515356gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>Facultad de Química UNAM<br>Av. 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