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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Hope you are well. As you know all ITU resolutions are done in
this way. Worked on line by line. <br>
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<p>Actually in this room set up the observers, such as ISOC were
allocated the first 2 rows. The current room set up has tables
with several power outlets on each table. So all have power
outlets. People chose to sit wherever they like as long as they
are not by a country's flag. <br>
</p>
<p>A petition will not do anything. The OTT resolution was out
there. It is why CEPT and others also introduced a resolution as
this guaranteed them a seat at the table. Their resolutions then
had to be merged and consolidated with others. Patrick's snapshot
is just a version of a combined paragraph that some member states
had written when tasked with forming a small group.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/4/2018 7:40 AM, Alejandro Pisanty
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>it's happening, as reported in social media. Drafting by a
huge committee, resolutions in the ITU Plenipotentiary that
are out of scope for the organization, while all "sector
members" (i.e. companies and operators) and organizations like
ISOC have 1.5 rows of seats at the back of the room, without
power outlets. See this figure:</div>
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<div><img src="cid:part1.087ED956.F2269091@jhellerstein.com"
alt="image.png" class="" width="528" height="396"><br>
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<div>Can we in ISOC Chapters promptly draft a petition to each
of our governments, easy to translate into many languages, to
demand that they vote to fullly retire this resolution? We
certainly can do it without becoming subservient to the OTTs
or any other private, for-profit interests, going instead
against "mission creep" (an unjustifiable growth in scope of
the ITU) and its negative effects on the Internet. What do
other Chapter delegates think?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:50 AM Richard Hill
<<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" moz-do-not-send="true">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please
see below.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
Thanks and best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Richard</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue
1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Alejandro Pisanty [mailto:<a
href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">apisanty@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 16, 2018 18:32<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Hill<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Elizabeth Oluoch; ISOC Chapter
Delegates<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Call
with Chapters in advance of the ITU
Plenipotentiary 2018 (18 Oct, 10:00 and 20:00
UTC)</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Richard,</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">SNIP</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The first type of violation
experienced in large ITU conferences is the
schedule. There is an evident sigh when the first
meeting after dinner is called. It goes from then
on. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
I’m not sure what you mean here. Perhaps the
fact that, towards the end of conference,
meetings are called at night? That’s actually a
common feature of many intergovernmental
negotiations, it is not just ITU. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The other type of egregious
violation consists of suddenly superseding the
supposedly tidy, long rules-compliant process of
building up text for resolutions through national
and regional preparatory processes to drafting and
negotiating text on the fly. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
That’s not a violation of the rules. On the
contrary, it is exactly what is foreseen in the
rules: written inputs are just that, inputs, and
the output text is negotiated during meetings,
taking into account not just the written inputs,
but also the verbal comments from the people
present at the meeting.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The third thing ISOC
representatives attending the Plenipot should be
wary of is of consultants who appear to be
friendly to the Internet but are actually doing
hack jobs for operators and governments; and
sometimes both, as some operators are owned by
governments or closely allied. This gets to the
point of becoming a fifth column against the
long-term evolution of a free, open Internet for
all. Fortunately just watching who they sit with
over sessions - in the middle of enfranchised
participants, <span style="color:#1f497d"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
many countries allow non-state actors to sit in
national delegations.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">while ISOC is given one chair
in the last table at the end of the room<span
style="color:#1f497d"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
indeed non-state participants are seated at the
back of the room, behind the states whose name
starts with the letter Z. But nothing prevents
ISOC members from asking to be part of a
national delegation, and indeed some people do
that.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - is enough to unmask them.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
The fact that a person is sitting in a national
delegation does not imply that the person holds
any particular position. Further, most national
delegations do not allow non-government people
to speak, so such persons are in fact observers
with fewer rights than the people sitting in the
ISOC delegation, since the members of the ISOC
delegation can ask to speak.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">SNIP</span></p>
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