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    <p>Hi,</p>
    <p>Hope you are well.  As you know all ITU resolutions are done in
      this way. Worked on line by line.  <br>
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    <p>Actually in this room set up the observers, such as ISOC were
      allocated the first 2 rows. The current room set up has tables
      with several power outlets on each table. So all have power
      outlets. People chose to sit wherever they like as long as they
      are not by a country's flag.   <br>
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    <p>A petition will not do anything.  The OTT resolution was out
      there. It is why CEPT and others also introduced a resolution as
      this guaranteed them a seat at the table. Their resolutions then
      had to be merged and consolidated with others.  Patrick's snapshot
      is just a version of a combined paragraph that some member states
      had written when tasked with forming a small group.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Judith<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/4/2018 7:40 AM, Alejandro Pisanty
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        <div>it's happening, as reported in social media. Drafting by a
          huge committee, resolutions in the ITU Plenipotentiary that
          are out of scope for the organization, while all "sector
          members" (i.e. companies and operators) and organizations like
          ISOC have 1.5 rows of seats at the back of the room, without
          power outlets. See this figure:</div>
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        <div>Can we in ISOC Chapters promptly draft a petition to each
          of our governments, easy to translate into many languages, to
          demand that they vote to fullly retire this resolution? We
          certainly can do it without becoming subservient to the OTTs
          or any other private, for-profit interests, going instead
          against "mission creep" (an unjustifiable growth in scope of
          the ITU) and its negative effects on the Internet. What do
          other Chapter delegates think?</div>
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        <div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:50 AM Richard Hill
          <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" moz-do-not-send="true">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please
                  see below.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
                  Thanks and best,</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Richard</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        Alejandro Pisanty [mailto:<a
                          href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">apisanty@gmail.com</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 16, 2018 18:32<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Richard Hill<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Elizabeth Oluoch; ISOC Chapter
                        Delegates<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Call
                        with Chapters in advance of the ITU
                        Plenipotentiary 2018 (18 Oct, 10:00 and 20:00
                        UTC)</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Richard,</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">SNIP</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">The first type of violation
                      experienced in large ITU conferences is the
                      schedule. There is an evident sigh when the first
                      meeting after dinner is called. It goes from then
                      on. </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
                        I’m not sure what you mean here. Perhaps the
                        fact that, towards the end of conference,
                        meetings are called at night? That’s actually a
                        common feature of many intergovernmental
                        negotiations, it is not just ITU. </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">The other type of egregious
                      violation consists of suddenly superseding the
                      supposedly tidy, long rules-compliant process of
                      building up text for resolutions through national
                      and regional preparatory processes to drafting and
                      negotiating text on the fly. </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
                        That’s not a violation of the rules. On the
                        contrary, it is exactly what is foreseen in the
                        rules: written inputs are just that, inputs, and
                        the output text is negotiated during meetings,
                        taking into account not just the written inputs,
                        but also the verbal comments from the people
                        present at the meeting.</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">The third thing ISOC
                      representatives attending the Plenipot should be
                      wary of is of consultants who appear to be
                      friendly to the Internet but are actually doing
                      hack jobs for operators and governments; and
                      sometimes both, as some operators are owned by
                      governments or closely allied. This gets to the
                      point of becoming a fifth column against the
                      long-term evolution of a free, open Internet for
                      all. Fortunately just watching who they sit with
                      over sessions - in the middle of enfranchised
                      participants, <span style="color:#1f497d"></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
                        many countries allow non-state actors to sit in
                        national delegations.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">while ISOC is given one chair
                      in the last table at the end of the room<span
                        style="color:#1f497d"></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
                        indeed non-state participants are seated at the
                        back of the room, behind the states whose name
                        starts with the letter Z.  But nothing prevents
                        ISOC members from asking to be part of a
                        national delegation, and indeed some people do
                        that.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> - is enough to unmask them.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>RH:
                        The fact that a person is sitting in a national
                        delegation does not imply that the person holds
                        any particular position. Further, most national
                        delegations do not allow non-government people
                        to speak, so such persons are in fact observers
                        with fewer rights than the people sitting in the
                        ISOC delegation, since the members of the ISOC
                        delegation can ask to speak.</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">SNIP</span></p>
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