<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 4, 2018, 6:12 AM Susannah Gray <<a href="mailto:susannah.gray@gmail.com">susannah.gray@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-7566142544619915281moz-cite-prefix">On 03/04/2018 00:45, Sivasubramanian M
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<div>Something happens every week that says "ISOC NY". Either it
is an ISOC NY event or Joly's webcast of a useful event
happening in NY or elsewhere. Someone mentioned about it by
his own choice of words - <span style="font-family:sans-serif"> </span>"drives"- instead</div>
<div dir="auto">of saying <span style="font-family:sans-serif">iISOC
NY 'inspires', or</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> 'draws
attention to topics'. </span></div>
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<div dir="auto">I have known ISOC NY for over 8 years, have met
Joly once in person. There has never been even a hint of a
suggestion from him or anyone from ISOC NY on what other
Chapters should do; Joly or anyone I knew from NY never
assumed a posture of any form of leadership over any other
Chapter. Despite its visibility ISOC NY has been a quiet
Chapter. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Why is there a discussion on ISOC NY now?
Because someone used the word "drives" in referring to
something about NY which is actually positive ?</div>
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- Using the word 'drives' implies all sorts of things. I felt it
important that what was meant by the use of this word be clarified,
at the very least to ensure that Andrea's words were not
misinterpreted. The NY chapter does fantastic work and there was
never any debate around that from me. <br>
</div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">+1 to what you said and +1 to ISOC Any</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sivasubramanian M</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br>
Regards, <br>
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Susannah <br>
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--<br>
Susannah Gray <br>
President <br>
San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 7:06 AM JOHN MORE <<a href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">morej1@mac.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Collaboration is a core principal. Each
Chapter has its own strengths (and weaknesses). We are
stronger together. <br>
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On Apr 2, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Susannah Gray <<a href="mailto:susannah.gray@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">susannah.gray@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>Hi Shuli, <br>
</p>
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<div class="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794moz-cite-prefix">On
31/03/2018 11:29, Shuli Hallak wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Hm, that’s an interesting
assessment of our chapter’s activity over the past
year, which I do not agree with, but this response
is not about what NY does.
<div><br>
<div>NY certainly does not drive the other
chapters. i know we’ve looked to other
chapters for guidance. It’s been absolutely
wonderful to meet with and collaborate with
other chapter leaders, Susannah included, in
order to strengthen the roles of the chapters
and ISOC’s mission as a whole. In fact, I
truly believe that we can and should be
working more closely together with our
colleagues here and around the world to share
best practices and increase our effectiveness
and reach. <br>
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- Exactly: I do not believe that any one chapter is
- or should be - leading or driving the others nor
should chapters be in competition with each other.
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<div>Our mission is important, and I look
forward to working with all chapter leaders to
do our work the best we can.</div>
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<div>(please excuse any typos / errors, I’m
typing one handed due to a broken arm).</div>
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- Yikes: get better soon! <br>
<br>
Susannah <br>
<br>
—<br>
Susannah Gray <br>
President <br>
San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
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<div>Shuli </div>
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<div>Shuli Hallak</div>
<div><b>Executive
Director</b></div>
<div>Internet Society -
New York Chapter</div>
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noreferrer
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<div>+1.917.891.1520 | <a href="mailto:shuli@isoc-ny.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">shuli@isoc-ny.org</a></div>
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<div>On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Dave
Burstein <<a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a>>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Folks</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Susannah was right to
correct this. Andrea made a good
faith mistake saying ISOC-NY "drives
the other chapters." She's new to
the chapter this year, and
presumably assumed the <u>hopes
talked abou</u>t in the New York
chapter in 2018 reflected
actual accomplishments. I've been a
board member for several years; it
just isn't so.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Actually, until a few
months ago, the New York chapter
hadn't even had a meeting in over a
year. Under our previous chapter
president, the chapter was all but
defunct. We hadn't had a major event
in years and were down to fewer than
20 active members. I don't remember
more than one board meeting per
year. In 2017, we had only one or
two board meetings (the minutes are
unclear) and no membership
meetings. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">About the only
visible things that were being done
were Joly doing videos and me
writing to this list and speaking up
at ISOC events. Avri was active in
the Chapters committee but didn't
report to the local chapter and a
few people went to events with ISOC
funding. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I laughed when I
heard the staff had given the NY
Chapter an excellent rating even
though we weren't having meetings,
elections, or doing very much. Being
friendly with a few staff people
paid off.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Joly couldn't have
done the videos without regular pay
from ISOC and they received little
support from the chapter if I
remember correctly. I've spoken up
on ISOC issues because I tilt at
many windmills, and received no
support from the chapter to do so.
(In fact, I was told to be more
positive about ISOC, although my
facts were almost never questioned.)</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">In the last year, the
funding for video went up; they are
great ISOC pr. That may have given
the impression "New York" was doing
a great deal but actually that was
ISOC central funding a dedicated
video person, not a chapter
activity.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">People not active in
the chapter put together an
interesting project, NY MESH. ISOC
provided $20K and the chapter is now
providing "fiscal agency" for a fee.
That's good.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Things started to
improve when the previous president
resigned and Joly took over. A
proposal to support Net Neutrality
was pulled back in the name of
consensus when the acting President
opposed the idea. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">The results so far
are minimal but I hope that will
change. In 2018, we've had three
board meetings that put forth many
ideas. Google paid $20K which funded
two events. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">So I hope we'll
actually lead in the future, but we
haven't so far.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar
30, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Susannah Gray <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:susannah.gray@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">susannah.gray@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Andrea, <br>
</p>
<span> <br>
<div class="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788moz-cite-prefix">On
30/03/2018 07:59, Andrea
Romaoli Garcia wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div>
<div id="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I
don't feel the work
hampered by the
participation of others
but a little bit control
will be positive.</div>
<div id="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">The
way ISOC is set up today
allows a work oriented
to local needs.</div>
<div id="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I
add that Chaptor NY has
a greater responsibility
and visibility because
it drives the other
chapters and brings new
subjects to discuss for
other
instituitionscaround the
world.</div>
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</span> - What do you mean by
ISOC NY 'drives the other
chapters'? <br>
<br>
Susannah <br>
<br>
-<br>
President <br>
San Francisco Bay Area Internet
Society Chapter<br>
<a class="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sfbayisoc.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.sfbayisoc.org</a><br>
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<div id="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">A
little bit of control is
needed but volunteers
input can identify new
solutions that the
meetings routine
extinguishes.</div>
<div id="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I
don't live in the United
States but I've been
serving shelters in
Washington for
volunteering... Well...
stakeholders and member
must work together </div>
<div id="m_-7566142544619915281m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">There
are volunteers and
stakeholder with
technical ability that
is helpful. But I think
we should control a
hight level to maintain
the quality of the
discussions and close
the doors to those
demagogues who do
nothing but just wish
put their name in the
highlightner</div>
<br>
ANDRÉA ROMAOLI GARCIA
<div>OABSP 332.542</div>
<div>Director ISOC-NY </div>
<div><span style="font-size:13pt">ICANN
Latin American and
Caribbean </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13pt">United
Nations NY </span></div>
<div><a href="tel:+55%2014%2099162-3774" value="+5514991623774" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">+55
14 99162-3774</a></div>
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On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:37,
Sivasubramanian M <<a href="mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">6.Internet@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">While
ISOC has been
successful, we
do not know if
the current
structure has
contributed to
that success,
or if ISOC
could have
been more
successful if
member-driven.</span></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Agreed.
We can not possibly
deny that ICANN would
be more successful nor
assert that it would
be less successful in
a member-driven
scenario. What I said
was that it worked. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">While
I agree with
Dave
completely,
the reality is
giving members
control is
contrary to
the founding
documents and
formal
structure of
ISOC. ISOC is
not, and never
has been, a
community of
members, or
democratic.
It is a Trust,
organised
around
managing a
perpetual flow
of income.
Members do not
contribute to
that income,
and are
therefore
powerless.
Article V.1
states
“Individual
members shall
not have any
voting rights
with respect
to the
Society.” </span></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">The
founding
documents
probably did not
anticipate ISOC
to take shape as
a Community with
several hundred
'volunteers' of
good Technical
and Policy
expertise. ISOC
unwittingly
imparts the
impression of a
Community driven
organization,
and it is this
perception that
renders
credibility to
ISOC's policy
advice. <span> </span></div>
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synchronized with the Internet
Society<br>
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer
you are automatically subscribed<br>
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synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
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<span>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
automatically subscribed</span><br>
<span>to this list, which is regularly synchronized
with the Internet Society</span><br>
<span>Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></span></div>
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
automatically subscribed<br>
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the
Internet Society<br>
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://p</a></blockquote>
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