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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#3A82E4" vlink="#3A82E4"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Gonzalo,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for this. Indeed the fact that there are several lists has created some confusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As I understand it, posts to <a href="mailto:INTERNETSOCIETY-chapterleaderscommunity@ConnectedCommunity.org">INTERNETSOCIETY-chapterleaderscommunity@ConnectedCommunity.org</a> and to <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a> have the same effect. They go to the same people.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Posts to <a href="mailto:INTERNETSOCIETY-chapteradvisorycouncil@ConnectedCommunity.org">INTERNETSOCIETY-chapteradvisorycouncil@ConnectedCommunity.org</a> go only to the members of the Chapters Advisory Council.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Since the Recommendations were submitted by the ChAC, I think that it would be procedurally correct to discuss them on that list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However, in the interests of transparency, I would have no objection to including in CC the <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What do others think?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Gonzalo Camarillo via Internet Society [mailto:Mail@ConnectedCommunity.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 3, 2018 20:53<br><b>To:</b> rhill@hill-a.ch<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Chapters Advisory Council : Board response to ChAC recommendation regarding adding a new section 13 to the bylaws<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.6pt'><span lang=EN style='font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Hi Richard, following up on my email below, please note that all trustees are automatically subscribed to: <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a> ... -posted to the "Chapters Advisory Council" community<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%' id=HLMsgOuter name=HLMsgOuter><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div align=center><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 style='background:white'><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>== Please, reply above this line == <o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt'><h1 align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#EFF2EC'><a href="https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer?CommunityKey=2ee50649-4a00-4918-83a5-4c8a9a7c7a4c&tab=digestviewer" target="_blank">Chapters Advisory Council </a><o:p></o:p></span></h1></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='background:#EFF2EC;padding:2.4pt 2.4pt 2.4pt 2.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?MessageKey=4479327a-e5b0-44aa-af76-43902d7091d1&CommunityKey=2ee50649-4a00-4918-83a5-4c8a9a7c7a4c&tab=digestviewer#bm4479327a-e5b0-44aa-af76-43902d7091d1" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0C1C2C'>Re: Board response to ChAC recommendation regarding adding a new section 13 to the bylaws</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:2.4pt 2.4pt 2.4pt 2.4pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=5 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width=85 style='width:51.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://connect.internetsociety.org/network/members/profile?UserKey=63446e05-7320-4627-b08a-cad747d09241"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=75 id="_x0000_i1053" src="https://d2x5ku95bkycr3.cloudfront.net/App_Themes/Common/images/profile/0_200.png" alt="Gonzalo Camarillo"></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Apr 3, 2018 2:53 PM <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://connect.internetsociety.org/network/members/profile?UserKey=63446e05-7320-4627-b08a-cad747d09241">Gonzalo Camarillo </a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:2.4pt 2.4pt 2.4pt 2.4pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi Richard,<br><br>following up on my email below, please note that all trustees are<br>automatically subscribed to:<br><br><a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br><br>Nevertheless, we are now discussing your recommendations at:<br><br><a href="mailto:INTERNETSOCIETY-chapteradvisorycouncil@ConnectedCommunity.org">INTERNETSOCIETY-chapteradvisorycouncil@ConnectedCommunity.org</a><br><br>There are other chapters-related lists, such as:<br><br><a href="mailto:INTERNETSOCIETY-chapterleaderscommunity@ConnectedCommunity.org">INTERNETSOCIETY-chapterleaderscommunity@ConnectedCommunity.org</a><br><br>Where do you want to discuss this type of request in the future? Shall<br>we simply use the chapter delegates list so that all trustees are in the<br>loop as well and all discussions are more transparent to the community?<br>Please, advice. Thanks!<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Gonzalo<br><br>On 03/04/2018 3:08 PM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:<br>> Hi Richard,<br>> <br>> thanks for your proposal to add a new section 13 to the bylaws. Per my<br>> email to you and this same list earlier today regarding building and<br>> declaring consensus within the ChAC, we agree that understanding the<br>> "interest of ISOC as a whole" is extremely important. I am sure you will<br>> find ways to engage the chapters community in the relevant discussions.<br>> Again, if you need board support any any time, do not hesitate to reach out.<br>> <br>> Please, note that all trustees are indeed automatically subscribed to<br>> the mailing lists mentioned in the recommendation. In addition, as you<br>> know, many trustees regularly attend IETF meetings, ICANN meetings, IGF<br>> meetings, etc., where they interact with different parts of the ISOC<br>> community. Also, the minutes of every board meeting have always<br>> included, for every resolution, how each trustee voted on it.<br>> <br>> Therefore, what you ask for in your recommendation seems to be already<br>> in place. Whether a particular trustee is more or less active<br>> communicating with a given community is a function of the trustee's own<br>> personality, time constrains, working style, etc... and the communities<br>> elect or select them as trustees based on those traits.<br>> <br>> Also related to how trustees interact with the community, as you also<br>> know, the board started organizing open forum sessions where the<br>> community could talk directly to the board. The interest in those<br>> sessions by the community have been underwhelming so far. As a result,<br>> we have set up a team within the board to work on such sessions so that<br>> we can make the best out of them. We believe they will be an additional<br>> good channel for the community and the board to talk to each other.<br>> <br>> Cheers,<br>> <br>> Gonzalo<br>><br><br>------Original Message------<br><br>Hi Richard,<br><br>thanks for your proposal to add a new section 13 to the bylaws. Per my<br>email to you and this same list earlier today regarding building and<br>declaring consensus within the ChAC, we agree that understanding the<br>"interest of ISOC as a whole" is extremely important. I am sure you will<br>find ways to engage the chapters community in the relevant discussions.<br>Again, if you need board support any any time, do not hesitate to reach out.<br><br>Please, note that all trustees are indeed automatically subscribed to<br>the mailing lists mentioned in the recommendation. In addition, as you<br>know, many trustees regularly attend IETF meetings, ICANN meetings, IGF<br>meetings, etc., where they interact with different parts of the ISOC<br>community. Also, the minutes of every board meeting have always<br>included, for every resolution, how each trustee voted on it.<br><br>Therefore, what you ask for in your recommendation seems to be already<br>in place. Whether a particular trustee is more or less active<br>communicating with a given community is a function of the trustee's own<br>personality, time constrains, working style, etc... and the communities<br>elect or select them as trustees based on those traits.<br><br>Also related to how trustees interact with the community, as you also<br>know, the board started organizing open forum sessions where the<br>community could talk directly to the board. The interest in those<br>sessions by the community have been underwhelming so far. As a result,<br>we have set up a team within the board to work on such sessions so that<br>we can make the best out of them. We believe they will be an additional<br>good channel for the community and the board to talk to each other.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Gonzalo <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:2.4pt 2.4pt 2.4pt 2.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/all-discussions/postreply?MessageKey=4479327a-e5b0-44aa-af76-43902d7091d1&ListKey=95f9072e-b5b3-40ad-b423-df7c4e5b0959&SenderKey=63446e05-7320-4627-b08a-cad747d09241">Reply to Sender Online</a></span></strong> <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?MessageKey=4479327a-e5b0-44aa-af76-43902d7091d1&CommunityKey=2ee50649-4a00-4918-83a5-4c8a9a7c7a4c&tab=digestviewer#bm4479327a-e5b0-44aa-af76-43902d7091d1">View Thread</a></span></strong> <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?MessageKey=4479327a-e5b0-44aa-af76-43902d7091d1&CommunityKey=2ee50649-4a00-4918-83a5-4c8a9a7c7a4c&tab=digestviewer&MarkAppropriate=4479327a-e5b0-44aa-af76-43902d7091d1#bm4479327a-e5b0-44aa-af76-43902d7091d1">Flag as Inappropriate</a></span></strong> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='background:#EFF2EC;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>You are subscribed to "Chapters Advisory Council" as <a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>. 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