<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Apologies if some may be confused by my two roles. I started a program of livestreaming at ISOC-NY around 10 years ago, and appealed to Chapter support to provide us, and all Chapters, with a livestream channel. It was ok'd, as long as I managed it. Which I continue to do. At first I was paid sporadically, but now, praise be, ISOC in their wisdom have put me under contract. Nevertheless I have always announced the streams using the ISOC-NY noticeboard and by personal email. 'Driving' the confusion, perhaps. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">That original channel was the old style livestream, I collaborated with Paul Brigner during his term as North America regional manager. We switched to the new Livestream and were able to raise our game to where I'd say we actually can hold our own with any event service worldwide. Kits have been distributed to the regions and mention has to go to Naveed Haq in ISOC Asia-Pacific and Kevin Chege in ISOC Africa who have pulled off many successful streams. Chapters that have streamed their events on the Internet Society Livestream Channel include ISOC HK, Nepal, Bangla Desh, Pakistan, Chennai, Gauteng, Kenya, Rwanda, England, Finland, Romania, Sri Lanka, Trinidad & Tobago, Canada, NY, DC, SF Bay Area, Barbados, Japan, IPNSIG and others that I will remember after I hit send on this mail.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Through this activity I have gained, as much as anyone, a window into, and a great respect for all the work done by our chapters worldwide.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">But what I know is that we have only put a mild dent in the potential output from our growing Chapter and SIG roster. SIva is right. I do want to inspire. I want you to say, hey we can do that too! I am here ready to help you with technical details. All you have to do is email <a href="mailto:webcast@isoc.org">webcast@isoc.org</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">With new tools like zoom, social media, phones, ipads etc, streaming and webcasting are more accessible than ever, I am here ready to help you with technical details. All you have to do is email <a href="mailto:webcast@isoc.org">webcast@isoc.org</a> with details of your events and let's see what we can do.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">joly<br><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:45 AM, Sivasubramanian M <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com" target="_blank">6.Internet@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Something happens every week that says "ISOC NY". Either it is an ISOC NY event or Joly's webcast of a useful event happening in NY or elsewhere. Someone mentioned about it by his own choice of words - <span style="font-family:sans-serif"> </span>"drives"- instead</div><div dir="auto">of saying <span style="font-family:sans-serif">iISOC NY 'inspires', or</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> 'draws attention to topics'. </span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have known ISOC NY for over 8 years, have met Joly once in person. There has never been even a hint of a suggestion from him or anyone from ISOC NY on what other Chapters should do; Joly or anyone I knew from NY never assumed a posture of any form of leadership over any other Chapter. Despite its visibility ISOC NY has been a quiet Chapter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why is there a discussion on ISOC NY now? Because someone used the word "drives" in referring to something about NY which is actually positive ?</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sivasubramanian M</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 7:06 AM JOHN MORE <<a href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">morej1@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Collaboration is a core principal. Each Chapter has its own strengths (and weaknesses). We are stronger together. <br><br><div id="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794AppleMailSignature">John More </div><div><br>On Apr 2, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Susannah Gray <<a href="mailto:susannah.gray@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">susannah.gray@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<p>Hi Shuli, <br>
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<div class="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794moz-cite-prefix">On 31/03/2018 11:29, Shuli Hallak
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Hm, that’s an interesting assessment of our chapter’s activity
over the past year, which I do not agree with, but this response
is not about what NY does.
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<div>NY certainly does not drive the other chapters. i
know we’ve looked to other chapters for guidance. It’s been
absolutely wonderful to meet with and collaborate with other
chapter leaders, Susannah included, in order to strengthen the
roles of the chapters and ISOC’s mission as a whole. In fact,
I truly believe that we can and should be working more closely
together with our colleagues here and around the world to
share best practices and increase our effectiveness and reach.
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- Exactly: I do not believe that any one chapter is - or should be
- leading or driving the others nor should chapters be in
competition with each other. <br>
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<div>Our mission is important, and I look forward to
working with all chapter leaders to do our work the best we
can.</div>
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<div>(please excuse any typos / errors, I’m typing one
handed due to a broken arm).</div>
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- Yikes: get better soon! <br>
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Susannah <br>
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—<br>
Susannah Gray <br>
President <br>
San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
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<div>Shuli Hallak</div>
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Director</b></div>
<div>Internet Society - New
York Chapter</div>
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<div>On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Dave Burstein
<<a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a>>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Folks</div>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Susannah
was right to correct this. Andrea made a good faith
mistake saying ISOC-NY "drives the other chapters."
She's new to the chapter this year, and presumably
assumed the <u>hopes talked abou</u>t in
the New York chapter in 2018 reflected
actual accomplishments. I've been a board member for
several years; it just isn't so.</div>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Actually,
until a few months ago, the New York chapter hadn't
even had a meeting in over a year. Under our
previous chapter president, the chapter was all but
defunct. We hadn't had a major event in years and
were down to fewer than 20 active members. I don't
remember more than one board meeting per year. In
2017, we had only one or two board meetings (the
minutes are unclear) and no membership meetings. </div>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">About
the only visible things that were being done were
Joly doing videos and me writing to this list and
speaking up at ISOC events. Avri was active in the
Chapters committee but didn't report to the local
chapter and a few people went to events with ISOC
funding. </div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I
laughed when I heard the staff had given the NY
Chapter an excellent rating even though we weren't
having meetings, elections, or doing very much.
Being friendly with a few staff people paid off.</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Joly
couldn't have done the videos without regular pay
from ISOC and they received little support from the
chapter if I remember correctly. I've spoken up on
ISOC issues because I tilt at many windmills, and
received no support from the chapter to do so. (In
fact, I was told to be more positive about ISOC,
although my facts were almost never questioned.)</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">In the
last year, the funding for video went up; they are
great ISOC pr. That may have given the impression
"New York" was doing a great deal but actually that
was ISOC central funding a dedicated video person,
not a chapter activity.</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">People
not active in the chapter put together an
interesting project, NY MESH. ISOC provided $20K and
the chapter is now providing "fiscal agency" for a
fee. That's good.</div>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Things
started to improve when the previous president
resigned and Joly took over. A proposal to support
Net Neutrality was pulled back in the name of
consensus when the acting President opposed the
idea. </div>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">The
results so far are minimal but I hope that will
change. In 2018, we've had three board meetings that
put forth many ideas. Google paid $20K which funded
two events. </div>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">So I
hope we'll actually lead in the future, but we
haven't so far.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:39
PM, Susannah Gray <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:susannah.gray@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">susannah.gray@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p>Hi Andrea, <br>
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<div class="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788moz-cite-prefix">On
30/03/2018 07:59, Andrea Romaoli Garcia
wrote:<br>
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<div id="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I don't feel the work hampered
by the participation of others but a
little bit control will be positive.</div>
<div id="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">The way ISOC is set up today
allows a work oriented to local needs.</div>
<div id="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I add that Chaptor NY has a
greater responsibility and visibility
because it drives the other chapters and
brings new subjects to discuss for other
instituitionscaround the world.</div>
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</span> - What do you mean by ISOC NY 'drives
the other chapters'? <br>
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Susannah <br>
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President <br>
San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
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<div id="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">A little bit of control is
needed but volunteers input can
identify new solutions that the
meetings routine extinguishes.</div>
<div id="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I don't live in the United
States but I've been serving shelters in
Washington for volunteering... Well...
stakeholders and member must work
together </div>
<div id="m_8946846723126009279m_2023933967478379750m_4239327501477148801m_-1459149482845262794m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">There are volunteers and
stakeholder with technical ability that
is helpful. But I think we should
control a hight level to maintain the
quality of the discussions and close the
doors to those demagogues who do nothing
but just wish put their name in the
highlightner</div>
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ANDRÉA ROMAOLI GARCIA
<div>OABSP 332.542</div>
<div>Director ISOC-NY </div>
<div><span style="font-size:13pt">ICANN Latin American and
Caribbean </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13pt">United Nations NY </span></div>
<div><a href="tel:+55%2014%2099162-3774" value="+5514991623774" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">+55 14
99162-3774</a></div>
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On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:37, Sivasubramanian
M <<a href="mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">6.Internet@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">While ISOC has been
successful, we do not know if
the current structure has
contributed to that success,
or if ISOC could have been
more successful if
member-driven.</span></p>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Agreed.
We can not possibly deny that ICANN
would be more successful nor assert
that it would be less successful in a
member-driven scenario. What I said
was that it worked. </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">While I agree with
Dave completely, the reality
is giving members control is
contrary to the founding
documents and formal structure
of ISOC. ISOC is not, and
never has been, a community of
members, or democratic. It is
a Trust, organised around
managing a perpetual flow of
income. Members do not
contribute to that income, and
are therefore powerless.
Article V.1 states “Individual
members shall not have any
voting rights with respect to
the Society.” </span></p>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">The
founding documents probably did
not anticipate ISOC to take
shape as a Community with
several hundred 'volunteers' of
good Technical and Policy
expertise. ISOC unwittingly
imparts the impression of a
Community driven organization,
and it is this perception that
renders credibility to ISOC's
policy advice. <span> </span></div>
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