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    <p>Hi Shuli, <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/03/2018 11:29, Shuli Hallak
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      Hm, that’s an interesting assessment of our chapter’s activity
      over the past year, which I do not agree with, but this response
      is not about what NY does. 
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        <div class="">NY certainly does not drive the other chapters. i
          know we’ve looked to other chapters for guidance. It’s been
          absolutely wonderful to meet with and collaborate with other
          chapter leaders, Susannah included, in order to strengthen the
          roles of the chapters and ISOC’s mission as a whole. In fact,
          I truly believe that we can and should be working more closely
          together with our colleagues here and around the world to
          share best practices and increase our effectiveness and reach.
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     - Exactly: I do not believe that any one chapter is - or should be
    - leading or driving the others nor should chapters be in
    competition with each other.  <br>
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        <div class="">Our mission is important, and I look forward to
          working with all chapter leaders to do our work the best we
          can.</div>
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    - Yikes: get better soon! <br>
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    Susannah <br>
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    Susannah Gray <br>
    President <br>
    San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
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                                <div class="">Shuli Hallak</div>
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                                    Director</b></div>
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              <div class="">On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Dave Burstein
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                    style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Susannah
                    was right to correct this. Andrea made a good faith
                    mistake saying ISOC-NY "drives the other chapters."
                    She's new to the chapter this year, and presumably
                    assumed the <u class="">hopes talked abou</u>t in
                    the New York chapter in 2018 reflected
                    actual accomplishments. I've been a board member for
                    several years; it just isn't so.</div>
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                    style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Actually,
                    until a few months ago, the New York chapter hadn't
                    even had a meeting in over a year. Under our
                    previous chapter president, the chapter was all but
                    defunct. We hadn't had a major event in years and
                    were down to fewer than 20 active members. I don't
                    remember more than one board meeting per year. In
                    2017, we had only one or two board meetings (the
                    minutes are unclear) and no membership meetings. </div>
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                    style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">About
                    the only visible things that were being done were
                    Joly doing videos and me writing to this list and
                    speaking up at ISOC events. Avri was active in the
                    Chapters committee but didn't report to the local
                    chapter and a few people went to events with ISOC
                    funding. </div>
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                    style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I
                    laughed when I heard the staff had given the NY
                    Chapter an excellent rating even though we weren't
                    having meetings, elections, or doing very much.
                    Being friendly with a few staff people paid off.</div>
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                    style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Joly
                    couldn't have done the videos without regular pay
                    from ISOC and they received little support from the
                    chapter if I remember correctly. I've spoken up on
                    ISOC issues because I tilt at many windmills, and
                    received no support from the chapter to do so. (In
                    fact, I was told to be more positive about ISOC,
                    although my facts were almost never questioned.)</div>
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                    style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">In the
                    last year, the funding for video went up; they are
                    great ISOC pr. That may have given the impression
                    "New York" was doing a great deal but actually that
                    was ISOC central funding a dedicated video person,
                    not a chapter activity.</div>
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                    style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">People
                    not active in the chapter put together an
                    interesting project, NY MESH. ISOC provided $20K and
                    the chapter is now providing "fiscal agency" for a
                    fee. That's good.</div>
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                    style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Things
                    started to improve when the previous president
                    resigned and Joly took over. A proposal to support
                    Net Neutrality was pulled back in the name of
                    consensus when the acting President opposed the
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                    results so far are minimal but I hope that will
                    change. In 2018, we've had three board meetings that
                    put forth many ideas. Google paid $20K which funded
                    two events. </div>
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                    hope we'll actually lead in the future, but we
                    haven't so far.</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:39
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                                class="">I don't feel the work hampered
                                by the participation of others but a
                                little bit control will be positive.</div>
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                                class="">The way ISOC is set up today
                                allows a work oriented to local needs.</div>
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                                class="">I add that Chaptor NY has a
                                greater responsibility and visibility
                                because it drives the other chapters and
                                brings new subjects to discuss for other
                                instituitionscaround the world.</div>
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                        the other chapters'? <br class="">
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                        Susannah <br class="">
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                                class="">A little bit of control is
                                needed but volunteers  input can
                                identify new solutions  that the
                                meetings routine extinguishes.</div>
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                                class="">I don't live in the United
                                States but I've been serving shelters in
                                Washington for volunteering...  Well...
                                stakeholders and member must work
                                together </div>
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                                class="">There are volunteers  and
                                stakeholder with technical ability that
                                is helpful. But I think we should
                                control a hight level  to maintain the
                                quality of the discussions and close the
                                doors to those demagogues who do nothing
                                but just wish put their name in the
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                              ANDRÉA ROMAOLI GARCIA 
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                              <div class="">Director ISOC-NY  </div>
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                                  Caribbean </span></div>
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                                  class="">United Nations NY </span></div>
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                              On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:37, Sivasubramanian
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                                          class="">While ISOC has been
                                          successful, we do not know if
                                          the current structure has
                                          contributed to that success,
                                          or if ISOC could have been
                                          more successful if
                                          member-driven.</span></p>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">​Agreed.
                                  We can not possibly deny that ICANN
                                  would be more successful nor assert
                                  that it would be less successful in a
                                  member-driven scenario. What I said
                                  was that it worked. </div>
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                                          class="">While I agree with
                                          Dave completely, the reality
                                          is giving members control is
                                          contrary to the founding
                                          documents and formal structure
                                          of ISOC.  ISOC is not, and
                                          never has been, a community of
                                          members, or democratic.  It is
                                          a Trust, organised around
                                          managing a perpetual flow of
                                          income.  Members do not
                                          contribute to that income, and
                                          are therefore powerless. 
                                          Article V.1 states “Individual
                                          members shall not have any
                                          voting rights with respect to
                                          the Society.”  </span></p>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">​The
                                        founding documents probably did
                                        not anticipate ISOC to take
                                        shape as a Community with
                                        several hundred 'volunteers' of
                                        good Technical and Policy
                                        expertise. ISOC unwittingly
                                        imparts the impression of a
                                        Community driven organization,
                                        and it is this perception that
                                        renders credibility to ISOC's
                                        policy advice. <span class=""> </span></div>
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